Narukarin16
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naruto had already lost, if not for him seeing hinata getting stabbed he would obiously have lost
Plot no jutsu is not a real thing when Naruto vs Pain.
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Simple Math
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and thats why deva > sm in a 1v1... you already said it yourself lmao "itachi said he cant do everything by himself"
while naruto was caught in those needles.. deva could've have finished him with ct/st celestial beast..
everyone knew naruto was gonna win against pain because he is the main character.. it would make no sense if the main character got captured
what im trying to say is deva > sm naruto in a real fight... not based on the story or anything..
Simple Math
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so do you think deva was gonna wait and drink some tea while waiting for kurama to come out? no he would've have captured naruto..
You don't think Hinata showing up on the battlefield is plot no jutsu? No? Okay, then please explain to me how Naruto would have gotten out of that situation by himself. Don't worry, I'll wait.
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KidGamer65
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What the hell are you rambling on about...Danzo couldn't do anything about it even if he wanted to and I never mentioned PNJ; I said SM Naruto did not beat Pain by himself (FACT).
yeah but thats not plot no jutsu otherwise you could say neji is better because he took all the chakra points but kyuubi mode was activated or haku because he was winning until kyuubi mode or all the countless ninja naruto has faced thats my point this thread is a fail because how many times have we seen naruto use this kyuubi mode
thats basically his sure guaranteed way of winning against a strong opponent
hayabusaJonin
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No. Naruto kicked pain's ass period!
He got help from kyubi? so what? THe demon caused him so much trouble since shildhood, it's only fair that it helps out if naruto is in trouble.
He got help from kyubi? so what? THe demon caused him so much trouble since shildhood, it's only fair that it helps out if naruto is in trouble.
Naruto king of Shinobi
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Naruto defeated the first 5 paths using his own techniques/skills/strategies. Deva path pinned to the ground(captured) base Naruto(not sage Naruto) due to Naruto trying to save that sage frog 'Pa'. When people say "the kyuubi saved Naruto in that fight" is kinda bullshit, because the kyuubi is what hindered Naruto to using unlimited perfect sage mode by fusing with the frogs. Those pipes/metal weapons that deva path used to pin base Naruto down were easily shattered by SM Narutos hands, as most know SM makes Naruto much more powerful/durable, for all we know those metal weapons might not even have pierced him in SM(just a theory). Anyways, the only thing that 6-tails kyuubi did for Naruto was basically give Naruto another fighting chance, the kyuubi didn't defeat deva path, base Naruto did by fooling deva path with tons of disguised clones, and eventually a normal rasengan. So all in all I believe that fight was a fair win for Naruto based on the circumstances that took place
Simple Math
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naruto could'nt even turn into 6-8 tails at this time himself.. he didn't even have controll over the kyuubi..
the reason why he turned into it was because of hinata!!
are you a detective or something friend saving friend is NOT Plot no jutsu, and Naruto during his fight with Oro let the "darkness" take over him, another way you could have said Plot no jutsu
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naruto is a cartoon and written by kishimoto which means everything from the color of narutos cloths to the jutsu he learn to how he and everyone else use them is plot no jutsu
naruto is a cartoon and written by kishimoto which means everything from the color of narutos cloths to the jutsu he learn to how he and everyone else use them is plot no jutsu
Simple Math
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so you finally agree that deva > sm in a 1v1 without anyone helping him?
the entire story was planned by kishi.. if hinanta never came then naruto would've have been captured
but that would've have ruined the story since naruto is the main character!!
so hinata had to pop up in order to save naruto... yes i would call that plot
also who said plot was a bad thing? its good to save the main characters
Naruto king of Shinobi
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I'm going to attempt to end this madness.... What most idiots don't realize is that "plot" is what made Nagato the formidable ninja that he was....because he was GIVEN the rinnegan to help carry out madaras plan, much like how minato gave Naruto the kyuubi to stop Obito/other antagonists. As far as I'm concerned if Nagato was never given rinnegan he would be a normal uzumaki, and if Naruto was never 'given' the kyuubi he would be an uzumaki with sage mode/could also fuse with Ma and Pa. So now let's look at it that way...SM Naruto >>>>> Rinneganless Nagato. So enough of this "Naruto wins by plot" bullshit. Madara is powerful by plot, if he never took/was given izuna's eyes he wouldn't have achieved EMS, meaning he wouldn't have had a fighting chance against hashi, let alone get some of his power to awaken the rinnegan...he would have been blind and nothing like he is today(fact). Same goes for Obito and Nagato, because of plot- madara ended up giving them power in different ways, making them into extremely powerful ninja. Plot also made sasuke as strong as he is today, we all know itachi gave sasuke that fight, eventually giving sasuke MS and EMS. "Plot" has made a lot of notable ninja very powerful, I just don't understand why all of these blind people act like Naruto is the only one with plot in his favor....open your eyes people