Plot hole, obito's eye should be useless for tobi by now

[Ghostofthewind]

I hate plot holes so I have to point them out... Itachi's ms was rarely ever used, or so we can assume from the anime because it was dangerous for him. By the time he fought sasuke his eyesight was so bad he could barely see anything.

Take Obito's ms, tobi has been using it AT LEAST since naruto was born, more than likely since obito was killed. Now let's also assume that whenever he's been attacked and lets them pass through him, whenever he's used the other dimension (which is almost constantly in the manga) he needs to activate his ms. How the hell has that eye not gone completely blind?

I'm sure the answer is plot no jutsu but that crap annoys the hell out of me

That's an incorrect assumption. This manga is the first one that Tobi has been seen using an MS. All of the rest of the time tobi had an original Sharingan. It isn't a plot hole.

In Tobi's fight with Minato, Tobi used s/t jutsu several times and the manga dipicted Tobi with an original Sharingan. Kumi needs the MS but s/t does not. Just like Itachi can use genjutsu with an original Sharingan but has to use the MS to use Tsukuyomi.

 

[Narutohokage7]

Is that why is mask is so orange? Is it made out of carrots?!

Hit the nail on the head, he would be like "oooo my eye hurts!" *lick*

 

[quick123]

That's an incorrect assumption. This manga is the first one that Tobi has been seen using an MS. All of the rest of the time tobi had an original Sharingan. It isn't a plot hole.

In Tobi's fight with Minato, Tobi used s/t jutsu several times and the manga dipicted Tobi with an original Sharingan. Kumi needs the MS but s/t does not. Just like Itachi can use genjutsu with an original Sharingan but has to use the MS to use Tsukuyomi.

Makes sense but my best bet would be on the senju cells that Tobi has makes enhances his sharingan to not lose it's light as fast as normal Uchihas.

 

[TheGreatPredictor]

That's an incorrect assumption. This manga is the first one that Tobi has been seen using an MS. All of the rest of the time tobi had an original Sharingan. It isn't a plot hole.

In Tobi's fight with Minato, Tobi used s/t jutsu several times and the manga dipicted Tobi with an original Sharingan. Kumi needs the MS but s/t does not. Just like Itachi can use genjutsu with an original Sharingan but has to use the MS to use Tsukuyomi.

Whole lot of fail here, tobi's ms is required in order to access the other dimension, that's the technique of his ms end of story. Also in the last manga episodes it shows that the two techniques are one jutsu, hence chapter 596 being named "one jutsu"

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Senju, plus kishi better clear alll the plot holes .. but if he does all is fine

 

[Ghostofthewind]

Whole lot of fail here, tobi's ms is required in order to access the other dimension, that's the technique of his ms end of story. Also in the last manga episodes it shows that the two techniques are one jutsu, hence chapter 596 being named "one jutsu"

No MS

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In both instances he just used s/t. You're wrong, deal with it. I've got better things to do.

Or cite where it is required to have an MS to use the sharingan s/t justu.

 

[Shame]

I believe that kakashi's eye lets you send objects to said dimension. tobi's eye lets you use your body.
Now because of tobis chakra he can only send parts of his body thus making the strain on his eye less like kakashi. when kakashi tried to send a whole bigger object it put more strain on the eye.

Next kakashi's eye losing sight faster yes i will point out why tobi's eye is not losing sight becasue tobi
has senju dna. also he is not using ems because it looks the same as kakashi's.

 

[TheLastSamurai]

I'm guessing that a real Uchicha can train, Tobi said to it himself : " A non-uchicha can't use Kamui's potential at its fullest, let me show you what a real Kamui does!" or something like that.

chears

 

[Killa Bee]

For the most part when tobi used his kamui, he only had the regular sharingan (3 tomoe) this is the only time he has shown his M/S maybe he can use kamui without M/S?

 

[TheGreatPredictor]

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In both instances he just used s/t. You're wrong, deal with it. I've got better things to do.

Or cite where it is required to have an MS to use the sharingan s/t justu.

The second picture is just him standing there, why would his ms be activated when he's just standing there? If Kishi showed us tobi's ms at that point in the fight between minato and tobi there would have been no plot or mystery as to who tobi is, that's why it hasn't been shown till now.

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If you're trying to say that tobi and kakashi never needed ms to perform kamui or s/t ( which is the same jutsu). Then you're just plain wrong dude, it's a pretty widely accepted theory

And if you've got better things to do then go do them schmuck

 

[Unbiased]

The second picture is just him standing there, why would his ms be activated when he's just standing there? If Kishi showed us tobi's ms at that point in the fight between minato and tobi there would have been no plot or mystery as to who tobi is, that's why it hasn't been shown till now.

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If you're trying to say that tobi and kakashi never needed ms to perform kamui or s/t ( which is the same jutsu). Then you're just plain wrong dude, it's a pretty widely accepted theory

And if you've got better things to do then go do them schmuck

You don't have any evidence to rest your argument on. He has been shown using his sharingan while having enemies phase through him.

 

[ictusbrucks]

Regarding Kakashi going blind...

this may be a long shot, but I always interpretted it this way, please correct if I am way off here.

You need to kill your best friend to awaken MS... you need to steal some eyes to get the eternal MS.

Could it be that somehow through Obito's death and Kakashi's receipt of his friend's eye, he somehow simultaneously fulfulled BOTH requirements, gaining an eternal MS right off the bat?


I know its a long shot since he didn't "kill" obito... but maybe just the death and the proximity and emotions were somehow the key, not the act of murder?

 

[ictusbrucks]

Also worth mentioning. In the way back, I recall Sakura being surprised that Kakashi didn't have to goto the hospital after a long battle. (paraphrasing here).

Sakura: Oh Kakasha sensei I thought you'd be in the hospital!
Kakashi: *sigh* is that what people think of me now
Kakashi: "Well I didn't have to use the mongekyoo"

Any I'm pretty sure kamui is the major MS tech he uses, is there another? I mean every time he uses kamui is when hes in the hospital.

Also it seems like he suddenly can use WAY more kamui during the Tobi battle. didn't it used to be like only 2-3 times and he was almost dead? Like how he died during the Pain battle?

 

[6PathsofKami]

Hmm i have a feeling kishi wont explain this aswell as other stuff we need explanation from kishi and it pisses me off.

 

[Shinrei]

We don´t even know if he has this kind of ms, so who knows. Kishi will expain, just w8

This^, there is a reason. Kishi will more than likely explain it when we find out who Tobi really is

 

[nasos21]

Whole lot of fail here, tobi's ms is required in order to access the other dimension, that's the technique of his ms end of story. Also in the last manga episodes it shows that the two techniques are one jutsu, hence chapter 596 being named "one jutsu"

If you remember in his fight with konan he had another sharingan which he used for izanagi, so is it possible to activate MS if you have two eyes from two different people?
I think that he is using a subtitute jutsu. Or he can use MS in one eye and not in the other one

 

[JWSoul]

Is that why is mask is so orange? Is it made out of carrots?!

Lol _O- Fair play!