[Question] Please explain the Tobidara theory?

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I see the Tobidara theory mentioned all the time on this site, but nobody has really explained all the evidence that goes behind the theory.

So if anyone would state all the evidence below so I can actually understand the theory then that would be great.

It might also be fun to talk about. I don't believe the theory myself at the moment, but I would still like to know about it.

Thanks.

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here's teh theory summed up :

teh mystery of tobi isn't over...tobi's reall identity isn't obito...tobi's reall identity is uchiha madara and spiral zetsu..

tobi = obito+madara+spiral zetsu

teh fodder naive tobi was obito...teh goofy funny tobi was spiral zetsu ....teh boss mastermind tobi was uchiha madara...


tobidara to obito is like ishiki to jigen...

-there were 2 madara's running around..tbh i don't know exactly how tobidara or second madara came to existence...but old Madara did something to obito's Body....he sealed his other part into obito's body...


-all evicences in manga show that madara was teh reall tobi...like forexemple kisame saw madara's face twice..
 

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here's teh theory summed up :

teh mystery of tobi isn't over...tobi's reall identity isn't obito...tobi's reall identity is uchiha madara and spiral zetsu..

tobi = obito+madara+spiral zetsu

teh fodder naive tobi was obito...teh goofy funny tobi was spiral zetsu ....teh boss mastermind tobi was uchiha madara...


tobidara to obito is like ishiki to jigen...

-there were 2 madara's running around..tbh i don't know exactly how tobidara or second madara came to existence...but old Madara did something to obito's Body....he sealed his other part into obito's body...



-all evicences in manga show that madara was teh reall tobi...like forexemple kisame saw madara's face twice..
Hmm... I have seen a lot of people say that Kisame saw Madara's face, but I have never found the panel where this happens in?
 
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1st meeting...

2nd meeting...
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We never see Madara's face tho? The first one might be but the second one I don't get? Also, it could have been Zetsu who used his substitute technique? I mean.. I am not trying to debunk your theory here, but I kinda did... Sorry.
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We never see Madara's face tho? The first one might be but the second one I don't get? Also, it could have been Zetsu who used his substitute technique? I mean.. I am not trying to debunk your theory here, but I kinda did... Sorry.
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are you baka???...if we've seen Madara's face completly then there would been no mystery...

kisame saw a face and called it Madara.. he saw it twice gotammit...

now teh burden of proving he didn't see Madara (or saw obito) falls on u...
 

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silencee...ur ava show that u know more about tobidara theory then u show us.........
i know who he is...but he really isn't that smart in fooling us..u can easily tell he is a alt without tiring ur brain..
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We never see Madara's face tho? The first one might be but the second one I don't get? Also, it could have been Zetsu who used his substitute technique? I mean.. I am not trying to debunk your theory here, but I kinda did... Sorry.
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u edited ur comment ..

kisame is very skilled ninja ..its impossible if Bobito fooled him with zetsu transformation u know why??...becuz kisame himself did a zetsu transformation when he fought killer bee so he is aware of zetsus' shapeshifting abilities....
 

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are you baka???...if we've seen Madara's face completly then there would been no mystery...

kisame saw a face and called it Madara.. he saw it twice gotammit...

now teh burden of proving he didn't see Madara (or saw obito) falls on u...
I wonder? How does Kisame know how Madara looks? I mean.. he wasn't around back when Madara and Hashirama were alive? and it wasn't common knowledge either. It could be that Kisame saw Obito's MS? He knows what the Sharingan is and also MS so that could be why he believed Obito saying that he is Madara?

And I didn't want to debunk it at first, but I kinda brought it on myself, didn't I? :ROFLMAO:
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i know who he is...but he really isn't that smart in fooling us..u can easily tell he is a alt without tiring ur brain..
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u edited ur comment ..

kisame is very skilled ninja ..its impossible if Bobito fooled him with zetsu transformation u know why??...becuz kisame himself did a zetsu transformation when he fought killer bee so he is aware of zetsus' shapeshifting abilities....
It is only Zetsu who can use that technique, so him doing it and knowing about it would be almost impossible. I also tryed to find that moment but I couldn't? Hopefully, you have it to show me. Cuz I would love to see it.

Btw i don't know what you mean by me being an alt? This is my only account? :ROFLMAO:
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silencee...ur ava show that u know more about tobidara theory then u show us.........
I just thought it was funny and used it... I legit know almost nothing about the theory. That's why I made this thread in the first place. :ROFLMAO:
 
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I wonder? How does Kisame know how Madara looks? I mean.. he wasn't around back when Madara and Hashirama were alive? and it wasn't common knowledge either. It could be that Kisame saw Obito's MS? He knows what the Sharingan is and also MS so that could be why he believed Obito saying that he is Madara?

And I didn't want to debunk it at first, but I kinda brought it on myself, didn't I? :ROFLMAO:

how do u know how john kennedy looks like??...becuz u saw his pics, videos...ext..ext... right???...same thing for madara he is very famous like holywood stare...plus madara has giant statues of him in valley of end....

-it can not be Bobito doing genjutsu on kisame for a following reasons :

1-becuz kisame isn't fodder to fall easily vitim of genjutsu...

2-it can't be genjutsu that lasts more then 10 years...1st meeting kisame saw madara and after nearly 10 years kisame is victim to genjutsu????...that dont make sence...becuz teh second meeting proves that kisame saw teh same face he saw when tobi had long hair!!!..

3-bobito hasn't got great skills in genjutsu....if bobito as u say did genjutsu on kisame...and if Bobito controlled fox during konoha attack....and if obito did indeed controll yagura...THEN WHY DIDN'T HE DO THOSE SHARINGAN SKILLS DURING 4TH SHINOBI WAR????...teh unmasked Bobito seemed too fodder compared to teh boss badass tobi!!!..

4-if Bobito fooled kisame and manipualted yagura...then why didn't he say anythiing about it after his mask fell...i will tell u ....its becuz obito's consiousness was shut down...tobidara took full controll of obito's body and controlled fox, slaughtred uchiha clan, controlled yagura..and met kisame and itachi...

if u r areall truth seeker go kestion urself : how can a 14 years old Bobito controll kurama with just one sharingan??????..and if he done that when he was 14 when didnt he do that when he was 29 during 4 ninja war...

-Tobi is uchiha Madara...only time will prove me right and prove u wrong all!!..
 
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how do u know how john kennedy looks like??...becuz u saw his pics, videos...ext..ext... right???...same thing for madara he is very famous like holywood stare...plus madara has giant statues of him in valley of end....

-it can not be Bobito doing genjutsu on kisame for a following reasons :

1-becuz kisame isn't fodder to fall easily vitim of genjutsu...

2-it can't be genjutsu that lasts more then 10 years...1st meeting kisame saw madara and after nearly 10 years kisame is victim to genjutsu????...that dont make sence...becuz teh second meeting proves that kisame saw teh same face he saw when tobi had long hair!!!..

3-bobito hasn't got great skills in genjutsu....if bobito as u say did genjutsu on kisame...and if Bobito controlled fox during konoha attack....and if obito did indeed controll yagura...THEN WHY DIDN'T HE DO THOSE SHARINGAN SKILLS DURING 4TH SHINOBI WAR????...teh unmasked Bobito seemed too fodder compared to teh boss badass tobi!!!..

4-if Bobito fooled kisame and manipualted yagura...then why didn't he say anythiing about it after his mask fell...i will tell u ....its becuz obito's consiousness was shut down...tobidara took full controll of obito's body and controlled fox, slaughtred uchiha clan, controlled yagura..and met kisame and itachi...

if u r areall truth seeker go kestion urself : how can a 14 years old Bobito controll kurama with just one sharingan??????..and if he done that when he was 14 when didnt he do that when he was 29 during 4 ninja war...


-Tobi is uchiha Madara...only time will prove me right and prove u wrong all!!..
What I meant by Kisame seeing Obito's MS or just normal Sharingan wasn't that he was under a genjutsu but the fact that Kisame knows about the Uchiha and their Sharingan. And Obito had control over the third jinchuriki, which to do so needs a lot of power. So Kisame saw Obito's face and MS and he thought it was Madara because he doesn't know how he looks.

You also said that Madara was like a Hollywood star and he was well known. Almost everyone knew about Madara but didn't know how he looked. The only reason Kisame would know how he looked as if he went to the valley of end, which there is no point to and also it wasn't a popular location.

The reason for Obito to not use his Sharingan skills in the 4th shinobi war was because he had new ones that were stronger. 6 paths of pain for example. Which he did use to revive and control all the jinchuriki except for Naruto and Killer bee of course.

You said that Obito doesn't have great genjutsu skills? He is one of the best in the anime. :ROFLMAO: He
controlled Yagura and the nine-tailed beast which Minato stated that halve of its chakra was really heavy and that was why he split it into two parts. One for himself and the other for Naruto.

I don't get the reason why Obito should tell others that he fooled Kisame and manipulated Yagura? There is no point to that.

Also, Kisame isn't immune to genjutsu in any way? I don't know where you got that from but it wouldn't matter in this instance.

Kisame saw Obito's face with MS and thought that was Madara. He has never seen Madara before but only has heard of him. The second time they met Kisame saw the same face. Obito's and Kisame said that he wasn't surprised that Obito was Tobi. At this point, he still thought Obito was Madara and just assumed that Tobi was an alias.

You said that I should go question myself? and here is my answers to those questions that you asked.

It wasn't just one Sharingan but actually two. Other than that Obito was an Uchiha which has a lot of chakra BUT he also had Hashirama cells and that makes him really powerful and also gives him A LOT of chakra.

In the 4th shinobi war, Obito like I stated above controlled all jinchurikis so technically he did.

Also, I think its kinda too late to prove us wrong? They are both dead and not apart of the story anymore, that's just how it is.

I think I covered it all? if I missed something then please tell me.
 
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What I meant by Kisame seeing Obito's MS or just normal Sharingan wasn't that he was under a genjutsu but the fact that Kisame knows about the Uchiha and their Sharingan. And Obito had control over the third jinchuriki, which to do so needs a lot of power. So Kisame saw Obito's face and MS and he thought it was Madara because he doesn't know how he looks.

Bring me a manga evidence..


You also said that Madara was like a Hollywood star and he was well known. Almost everyone knew about Madara but didn't know how he looked. The only reason Kisame would know how he looked as if he went to the valley of end, which there is no point to and also it wasn't a popular location.

baka way of thinking..

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The reason for Obito to not use his Sharingan skills in the 4th shinobi war was because he had new ones that were stronger. 6 paths of pain for example. Which he did use to revive and control all the jinchuriki except for Naruto and Killer bee of course.

fyi Bobito used sharingan abilitites (like kanui) more then he used rinnegans..

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You said that Obito doesn't have great genjutsu skills? He is one of the best in the anime. :ROFLMAO: He controlled Yagura and the nine-tailed beast which Minato stated that halve of its chakra was really heavy and that was why he split it into two parts. One for himself and the other for Naruto.

I don't get the reason why Obito should tell others that he fooled Kisame and manipulated Yagura? There is no point to that.

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its to show reader that obito was indeed one who fooled kisame and behind many major incidents..

Also, Kisame isn't immune to genjutsu in any way? I don't know where you got that from but it wouldn't matter in this instance.

Kisame saw Obito's face with MS and thought that was Madara.
He has never seen Madara before but only has heard of him. The second time they met Kisame saw the same face. Obito's and Kisame said that he wasn't surprised that Obito was Tobi. At this point, he still thought Obito was Madara and just assumed that Tobi was an alias.

manga evitence pldz..


You said that I should go question myself? and here is my answers to those questions that you asked.

It wasn't just one Sharingan but actually two. Other than that Obito was an Uchiha which has a lot of chakra BUT he also had Hashirama cells and that makes him really powerful and also gives him A LOT of chakra.

In the 4th shinobi war, Obito like I stated above controlled all jinchurikis so technically he did.

I think I covered it all? if I missed something then please tell me.
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You wanted me to show you evidence of Kisame seeing Obito's face? It is basically the same as you have to show me that Kisame saw Madara's face? You didn't show me that at all, mine is a theory much like yours although mine has more evidence to back it up and mine has facts aswell which looking into it I don't think yours does.

Btw I am talking about the whole Tobidara theory, not just the moment were Kisame saw Obito's face.
 

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You wanted me to show you evidence of Kisame seeing Obito's face? It is basically the same as you have to show me that Kisame saw Madara's face? You didn't show me that at all, mine is a theory much like yours although mine has more evidence to back it up and mine has facts aswell which looking into it I don't think yours does.

Btw I am talking about the whole Tobidara theory, not just the moment were Kisame saw Obito's face.
i brought u evidence of kisame calling tobi madara after seeing his face...prove me with manga evidence that kisame called tobi obito after seeing his face...
 
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