[VS] Pica vs Vergo

[Passerby]

Location - Dressrosa
Intel - Manga

S1- Base Vergo and Base Pica. They start the fight facing each other like how Kakashi and Obito fought except they don't do that peace sign lol

S2- Vergo starts in Full Body Haki and Pica is in his Golem

 

[juzumaki]

S1 vergo
S2 pica i dont see vergo doing anything to pica in golem

 

[chopstickchakra]

when you say base so you mean start in base or limited only to base(Can Vergo use haki once fight starts and Pica use stone)? Scen. 1 hard to say scen. 2 Pica

 

[Venomous Cobra]

That match up is broken. Vergo can't go through the golem with the destructive power he has shown and pica with golem is slow asf that he can't catch vergo while using genpo

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Vergo should win he's strong enough to break through walls without his tenkai etc... So stone shouldn't be a problem he's also to fast for pica he also outclassed pica with strength

It should b high diff similar to zoro... Simply cuz of pica evasive techs whereas zoro had the destructive capabilities to one shot Pica he couldn't really catch him ... Vergo can catch him but lacks destructive feats to completely one shot him lol...

 

[Passerby]

when you say base so you mean start in base or limited only to base(Can Vergo use haki once fight starts and Pica use stone)? Scen. 1 hard to say scen. 2 Pica

Base Vergo is the one that fought Smoker and Sanji and Base Pica is the Pica with the huge Rock Sword

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

IMO Vergo is too fast GG

 

[Hexuze]

S1 - Vergo low-mid diff, he was matching up with Sanji quite comfortably. "Base Pica" doesn't seem all that threatening. Vergo had better feats and portrayal. Maybe Vergo winning at low diff is bit generous, idk.

S2 - Vergo mid-high diff. What made the Zoro vs Pica fight a high diff fight was that Zoro had trouble maneuvering and finding Pica. That won't be much of a problem with Vergo as he's relatively fast and has geppo.

 

[Akuma]

Eh Vergo could win both scenerios.

 

[TrillKing]

Vergo without question he's Doflamingo's strongest subordinate he wins every time.

 

[Love Cook]

The wind pressure from Vergo's Oni Take attack folded thick steel doors in half.

With his Geppou speed and haki on his stick he would crumble Pica down in seconds. Besides I think he would do a much better job at pinpointing him than Zoro.

 

[KingHashirama]

Vergo man.

S1 - Vergo low-mid diff, he was matching up with Sanji quite comfortably. "Base Pica" doesn't seem all that threatening. Vergo had better feats and portrayal. Maybe Vergo winning at low diff is bit generous, idk.

S2 - Vergo mid-high diff. What made the Zoro vs Pica fight a high diff fight was that Zoro had trouble maneuvering and finding Pica. That won't be much of a problem with Vergo as he's relatively fast and has geppo.

@Bold, but it was never a high diff fight. It was just a long fight, without any high-diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Vergo man.



@Bold, but it was never a high diff fight. It was just a long fight, without any high-diff.

Except it was a high diff fight. Corazon was correct; the high difficulty of the fight lay in Zoro's inability to catch Pica. It forced Zoro be strategic, which isn't like his fighting style whatsoever. It wasn't something Zoro could get around with just brute force, and Pica's threat to the surrounding city and civilians put pressure on the fight that increased the difficulty. The difficulty of a fight isn't just how much damage you take or how hard/forceful the combat was, but how much did it take to put down the enemy. Whether it be time, intelligence, speed, whatever, that's pushed to high diff, it's still high diff.

 

[KingHashirama]

Except it was a high diff fight. Corazon was correct; the high difficulty of the fight lay in Zoro's inability to catch Pica. It forced Zoro be strategic, which isn't like his fighting style whatsoever. It wasn't something Zoro could get around with just brute force, and Pica's threat to the surrounding city and civilians put pressure on the fight that increased the difficulty. The difficulty of a fight isn't just how much damage you take or how hard/forceful the combat was, but how much did it take to put down the enemy. Whether it be time, intelligence, speed, whatever, that's pushed to high diff, it's still high diff.

High -diff = actually forces Zoro to go near all out. It is the difficulty of the opponent.

Running and stalling the fight and stalling the defeat, without even making your opponent go all out or even force him to use all his power.. really isn't high-diff. As he doesn't provide the difficulty.

And there are many factors that played into him not being able to catch, Pica.

His high-diff fight would be with Kaku. And other one would be with Corcodile's first mate.

 

[Punk Hazard]

High -diff = actually forces Zoro to go near all out. It is the difficulty of the opponent.

Running and stalling the fight and stalling the defeat, without even making your opponent go all out or even force him to use all his power.. really isn't high-diff. As he doesn't provide the difficulty.

And there are many factors that played into him not being able to catch, Pica.

His high-diff fight would be with Kaku. And other one would be with Corcodile's first mate.

Difficulty of the fight is just how much did it take to defeat the opponent. Did Zoro fight all out? No, he was able to defeat Pica in a few sword strikes. What made the fight difficult isn't how hard it was for Zoro to land enough blows to defeat Pica, what made it difficult was how hard it was for Zoro to land the blows in the first place. Zoro didn't have a hard time cutting through Pica, he had a hard time getting close enough to Pica's real body to cut. Running around and stalling the fight does indeed make it high diff because Pica made it harder for Zoro to land a hit. It's cowardly, not very impressive or badass, but that doesn't change what it is: Making it harder for Zoro to get the win.

Zoro vs Kaku and Zoro vs Daz Bones were also high diff for different reasons. Zoro vs Kaku was high diff because Kaku's skill set made him a match for Zoro. Daz Bones was high diff because Zoro couldn't cut through steel and strike his flesh and sustained heavy injuries. But what happened when Zoro finally cut steel? One blow to Bones' flesh was all it took to defeat him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Difficulty of the fight is just how much did it take to defeat the opponent. Did Zoro fight all out? No, he was able to defeat Pica in a few sword strikes. What made the fight difficult isn't how hard it was for Zoro to land enough blows to defeat Pica, what made it difficult was how hard it was for Zoro to land the blows in the first place. Zoro didn't have a hard time cutting through Pica, he had a hard time getting close enough to Pica's real body to cut. Running around and stalling the fight does indeed make it high diff because Pica made it harder for Zoro to land a hit. It's cowardly, not very impressive or badass, but that doesn't change what it is: Making it harder for Zoro to get the win.

Zoro vs Kaku and Zoro vs Daz Bones were also high diff for different reasons. Zoro vs Kaku was high diff because Kaku's skill set made him a match for Zoro. Daz Bones was high diff because Zoro couldn't cut through steel and strike his flesh and sustained heavy injuries. But what happened when Zoro finally cut steel? One blow to Bones' flesh was all it took to defeat him.

Why are you claiming it was really difficult for him to catch him? He doesn't have Minato like speed, so he couldn't do it faster.. sure.. but that means it was hard for him to catch pica to get the strikes? no ...


If pica had done good amount of Damage to Zoro, while stalling the fight, i would agree. But he didn't. It was him running away and Zoro catching him.


Issue with your logic for Bones' fight is the fact, that Zoro didn't have the ability to cut through metal before the fight, and thus he had to fight against Bones', and that took the fight to a high difficulty, and eventually during the fight, he was able to learnt he ability to cut through metal.

 

[giostep]

Give it to Vergo on both scenarios. Vergo has intel on Pica and more than likely know most if not all of Picas techs. Pica also has info on Vergo, but Vergo outclasses pica to the point that the info doesnt really help much besides knowing that you will be caught and you cannot out power him (without the golem). Scen1 = Mid dif Vergo, Scen 2 = High dif Vergo. Obviously my own opinion.

 

[giostep]

High -diff = actually forces Zoro to go near all out. It is the difficulty of the opponent.

Running and stalling the fight and stalling the defeat, without even making your opponent go all out or even force him to use all his power.. really isn't high-diff. As he doesn't provide the difficulty.

And there are many factors that played into him not being able to catch, Pica.

His high-diff fight would be with Kaku. And other one would be with Corcodile's first mate.

Well Diff shouldnt just be assuming that alot of force was needed to beat the opponent. A fight could last 5 days and 1 of the fighters take no damage but does minimal damage (while being fragile and fast and lacking power), while the other takes minimal damage but lands no hits (while being sturdy and powerful but slower than opponent) regardless of who wins I would consider this a High Diff fight especially if both fighters are running low on stamina...

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why are you claiming it was really difficult for him to catch him? He doesn't have Minato like speed, so he couldn't do it faster.. sure.. but that means it was hard for him to catch pica to get the strikes? no ...


If pica had done good amount of Damage to Zoro, while stalling the fight, i would agree. But he didn't. It was him running away and Zoro catching him.


Issue with your logic for Bones' fight is the fact, that Zoro didn't have the ability to cut through metal before the fight, and thus he had to fight against Bones', and that took the fight to a high difficulty, and eventually during the fight, he was able to learnt he ability to cut through metal.

Considering it took Zoro quite a long time to finally cut Pica, and even then required the help of Elizabello, yeah, Pica did make it difficult for him.

That doesn't change the diff of the fight though. You don't need to inflict a lot of damage for a fight to high diff. If person A is so weak and slow that they can't land a single hit on person B, but it takes person B a long time to defeat them because they are super durable, then it's a high diff fight. Vergo vs Law was Law high diff even though he had the ability to defeat Vergo in one swing because Vergo was squeezing his heart. Luffy vs Usopp was mid diff because Usopp was so tricky and had prep in the terrain. The problem here is that you looking at diff in a very one dimensional manner. Someone doesn't need to take any damage at all to defeat someone high diff. Difficulty is just how hard was it to defeat your opponent, which can be determined and influenced through many ways and factors.

That doesn't make what I said about Bones vs Zoro an issue at all. The fight was high diff because Zoro lacked an ability needed for the fight, causing him to be unable to defeat his opponent while sustaining heavy damage. He learned the ability while fighting, allowing him to finally end it. The fact that Bones landed many, many hits on Zoro but failed to defeat him, while Zoro defeated Bones with one hit once his metal was broken, is actually proof that Bones was far weaker than Zoro. It was still high diff because Bones' ability made it harder for Zoro to cut him. Same happened with Pica, the difference just being tat Pica did so through evasive maneuvers and didn't damage Zoro.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well Diff shouldnt just be assuming that alot of force was needed to beat the opponent. A fight could last 5 days and 1 of the fighters take no damage but does minimal damage (while being fragile and fast and lacking power), while the other takes minimal damage but lands no hits (while being sturdy and powerful but slower than opponent) regardless of who wins I would consider this a High Diff fight especially if both fighters are running low on stamina...

Sadly, Zoro was nowhere near close to running low on stamina.

Considering it took Zoro quite a long time to finally cut Pica, and even then required the help of Elizabello, yeah, Pica did make it difficult for him.

That doesn't change the diff of the fight though. You don't need to inflict a lot of damage for a fight to high diff. If person A is so weak and slow that they can't land a single hit on person B, but it takes person B a long time to defeat them because they are super durable, then it's a high diff fight. Vergo vs Law was Law high diff even though he had the ability to defeat Vergo in one swing because Vergo was squeezing his heart. Luffy vs Usopp was mid diff because Usopp was so tricky and had prep in the terrain. The problem here is that you looking at diff in a very one dimensional manner. Someone doesn't need to take any damage at all to defeat someone high diff. Difficulty is just how hard was it to defeat your opponent, which can be determined and influenced through many ways and factors.

That doesn't make what I said about Bones vs Zoro an issue at all. The fight was high diff because Zoro lacked an ability needed for the fight, causing him to be unable to defeat his opponent while sustaining heavy damage. He learned the ability while fighting, allowing him to finally end it. The fact that Bones landed many, many hits on Zoro but failed to defeat him, while Zoro defeated Bones with one hit once his metal was broken, is actually proof that Bones was far weaker than Zoro. It was still high diff because Bones' ability made it harder for Zoro to cut him. Same happened with Pica, the difference just being tat Pica did so through evasive maneuvers and didn't damage Zoro.

The fact he didn't do damage, means he couldn't do shit to Zoro.. meaning, all Zoro had to do was wait for him to attack him and finish him. Issue is the fight wasn't a true 1 vs 1 .... Combat requires to people to engage each other in a fight, which in Zoro vs Pica's case, didn't happen.

And Luffy vs Ussop = Luffy won it low-diff. The dude restricted himself from using any high damaging moves from the start, or straight up blitzing Ussop and finishing him. Nothing Ussop had was a threat to luffy. Luffy going easy on his ass, doesn't = Ussop it taking it to mid-diff with luffy.


Actually it wasn't even a freaking 1 vs 1 fight.



fight: a : to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons




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