Perfect Susanoo needs Rinnegan

[Super Kami Guru]

tsunade: did my grandfather really fight against this (giant susanoo)?
madara: i already told u only hashi can defeat me

aka madara said hashi fought against the giant susanoo, aka rinnegan is not required since he had no rinnegan when he was fighting hashi

rinnegan is just a overall power up for madara

ohboy madara fanboy lulz

oooo hahahaha thanks totally didnt read that before i feel so dumb... or he's saying hashirama is the only one who has ever beat him and is only one who can beat him sooo no one can beat him..... maybe thats what he's saying... aka when the 5 kage thought they could be him so he used the PS to show them NO!

 

[KnowMads]

thanks for help proving my point.... why is he using EMS tech with rinnegan active rinnegans cant use susanoo......

:sy:

why is he using a ems tech with rinnegan? um.. maybe because he can? and its a good combination for certain situations.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

:sy:

why is he using a ems tech with rinnegan? um.. maybe because he can? and its a good combination for situations.

well why cant he use the ems gen with the rinnegan? seriously you arent helping anyone with these arguements....

 

[kotoamatsukami]

ive literally shown the whole tsunade thing atleast like ****ing 4 times please read more comments from earlier(SHES SPEAKING RHETORICALLY NOTE HE DOESNT EVEN ANSWER HER!) and please what cause we know so much about the 1sts fight with madara like the one picture of him on top of the kyuubi with ems active..... totally using PS right? no....? a

he did answer her question by saying the 1st is the only one that can stop me meaning yes he beat my perfect susanoo in other words he would have never said the first can beat him sense he knos the first full power if the first can still beat him an he did not use PS in there fight like i said the first wiped the floor wit him without a problem..


tobi was talking when that picture was shown wat makes u think tobi was there in the first place hes known for lying that picture means nonthing he did not tell u everything that happend in the fight bringing up that pic is a fail

 

[KnowMads]

well why cant he use the ems gen with the rinnegan? seriously you arent helping anyone with these arguements....

why he cant use ems gen with rinnegan? genjutsu may only belong to the sharigan and he may not be able to use it with the rinnegan. he was shown using genjutsu while his sharigan was activated also.

 

[knowledge561]

I can't wait until this hits anime. It will explain everything better since more words can be incorporated. I don't want to jump to conclusions because we all could be wrong here. It could be a Rinnegan tech. It could be an EMS tech. No one really knows. Researching the manga day and night won't give you the answer.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

he did answer her question by saying the 1st is the only one that can stop me meaning yes he beat my perfect susanoo in other words he would have never said the first can beat him sense he knos the first full power if the first can still beat him an he did not use PS in there fight like i said the first wiped the floor wit him without a problem..


tobi was talking when that picture was shown wat makes u think tobi was there in the first place hes known for lying that picture means nonthing he did not tell u everything that happend in the fight bringing up that pic is a fail

thats all we know about that fight..... we dont know what happened we know hash kicked his ass and madara acquired some of his dna..... its kinda the point his been saying for awhile that the only one whose ever stopped him in his life has been hash and hash is the only one capable of stopping him the picture is the only thing we've seen of the fight. I get the whole context thing but maybe he's saying what im saying or your saying either way we're waiting two weeks for next chapter so that arguement can go either way... Just like the oonoki quote why did you go easy on me? because a man doesnt go all out on a kid... that doesnt say he i coulda used this tech to squash you it means i could have squashed you than and still can now

 

[natssuu]

This guy must lack common sense..

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Tsunade: Did Hashirama really fight against this?
Madara: I already told you that Hashirama is the only one capable of stopping me

So if Madara got this technique because of rinnegans, he should have said something like ''No, this is power I achieved after my battle with Hashirama''

And also this:

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Onoki: Is this your true strength? Why did you go easy on me back then!?
Madara: What kind of adult would fight seriously against a child?

Is it really that hard to figure out for you?

 

[KnowMads]

This guy must lack common sense..

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Tsunade: Did Hashirama really fight against this?
Madara: I already told you that Hashirama is the only one capable of stopping me

So if Madara got this technique because of rinnegans, he should have said something like ''No, this is power I achieved after my battle with Hashirama''

And also this:

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Onoki: Is this your true strength? Why did you go easy on me back then!?
Madara: What kind of adult would fight seriously against a child?

Is it really that hard to figure out for you?

exactly +rep

 

[Super Kami Guru]

This guy must lack common sense..

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Tsunade: Did Hashirama really fight against this?
Madara: I already told you that Hashirama is the only one capable of stopping me

So if Madara got this technique because of rinnegans, he should have said something like ''No, this is power I achieved after my battle with Hashirama''

And also this:

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Onoki: Is this your true strength? Why did you go easy on me back then!?
Madara: What kind of adult would fight seriously against a child?

Is it really that hard to figure out for you?

yet again with the context...... it can go either way until kishi reveils more this is all we got as ive stated numerous times before this is a theory it's not 100% true and until kishi says somethign both arguements for and against are just theories....im just trying to see both sides of a debate. Many think i am right they wont argue with me cause they agree the ones arguing obviously disagree but like in a real debate or in law proof is needed and i know the flaws in my theory from whats shown in the manga but errors can be attributed to kishi im not saying he's wrong he obviously left some room for people to speculate

 

[kotoamatsukami]

thats all we know about that fight..... we dont know what happened we know hash kicked his ass and madara acquired some of his dna..... its kinda the point his been saying for awhile that the only one whose ever stopped him in his life has been hash and hash is the only one capable of stopping him the picture is the only thing we've seen of the fight. I get the whole context thing but maybe he's saying what im saying or your saying either way we're waiting two weeks for next chapter so that arguement can go either way... Just like the oonoki quote why did you go easy on me? because a man doesnt go all out on a kid... that doesnt say he i coulda used this tech to squash you it means i could have squashed you than and still can now

off of wat oonoki an wat tsunade asked him r the key facts he would have told 1 of them i did not have this power yet in the first place

 

[KnowMads]

yet again with the context...... it can go either way until kishi reveils more this is all we got as ive stated numerous times before this is a theory it's not 100% true and until kishi says somethign both arguements for and against are just theories....im just trying to see both sides of a debate

the context isnt a theory its common sense, your just thinking too much into it.

nowhere in the manga does it suggest you need rinnegan to get ps

until kishi directly and bluntly saids YOU NEED RINNEGAN to get ps then its a EMS TECHNIQUE. end of story

 

[Super Kami Guru]

off of wat oonoki an wat tsunade asked him r the key facts he would have told 1 of them i did not have this power yet in the first place

yet again context where does he say i had these powers or not? he doesnt hash beat him and he got hash's dna is all we know from that fight he hasnt admitted to having or not having any abilities

 

[DonUchiha671]

Madara knows about the perfect susanoo and it claims that he used agianst hashirama in the final valley. But during that time he didn't have rinnengan, so how did he know and have Perfect Susanoo if he didn't have rinnegan? I think it can be used with EMS. But if im wrong just tell me how im wrong. No need to criticize

 

[Bogard]

I think it's EMS which is needed. With MS, you can use the top of Susanoo, and when you get another MS(EMS then), you can also use the bottom and it forms Susanoo in perfect form. Maybe it's why Itachi said that EMS was the true power

 

[Super Kami Guru]

the context isnt a theory its common sense, your just thinking too much into it.

nowhere in the manga does it suggest you need rinnegan to get ps

until kishi directly and bluntly saids YOU NEED RINNEGAN to get ps then its a EMS TECHNIQUE. end of story

CONTEXT CAN BE READ DIFFERENTLY.. im obviously soo wrong ive gotten +rep for being wrong because people disagree with me right? it also doesnt explain why one progress to rinnegan from ems? it also doesnt explain why he switches between the two different eyes to use certain techs?

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Madara knows about the perfect susanoo and it claims that he used agianst hashirama in the final valley. But during that time he didn't have rinnengan, so how did he know and have Perfect Susanoo if he didn't have rinnegan? I think it can be used with EMS. But if im wrong just tell me how im wrong. No need to criticize

where does he say i used this against the 1st? other the context of what others are saying? nowhere is my point he doesnt say I HAD THIS POWER AGAINST THE 1st

 

[pdaworld]

yet again with the context...... it can go either way until kishi reveils more this is all we got as ive stated numerous times before this is a theory it's not 100% true and until kishi says somethign both arguements for and against are just theories....im just trying to see both sides of a debate. Many think i am right they wont argue with me cause they agree the ones arguing obviously disagree but like in a real debate or in law proof is needed and i know the flaws in my theory from whats shown in the manga but errors can be attributed to kishi im not saying he's wrong he obviously left some room for people to speculate

then you do no then by your own logic that everything you just said is speculation. Evidence more supports that Hashirama did fight against it and that you don't need Rinnegan to create a perfect susanno

 

[KnowMads]

yet again context where does he say i had these powers or not? he doesnt hash beat him and he got hash's dna is all we know from that fight he hasnt admitted to having or not having any abilities

can you stop making baseless assumptions and just use common sense?

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when onoki said ''this is uciha madara's strength he was referring to his PS and was shocked at why he didnt use PS against him and muu, as to why he asked why did you go easy on me.

SIGH.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

can you stop making baseless assumptions and just use common sense?

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when onoki said ''this is uciha madara's strength he was referring to his PS and was shocked at why he didnt use PS against him and muu, as to why he asked why did you go easy on me.

SIGH.

what are you sighing??? that yet again is speculation why does that quote mean PS rather can't it just mean if he was capable of this power why didnt you just destroy me earlier?