Perfect Susanoo needs Rinnegan

[knowledge561]

Did you guys forget that Madara didn't unlock Rinnegan and THEN die? When he says he unlocked it shortly before his death, he could mean a month before for all we know. That would give him enough time to check out the techniques, meet with Tobi and plan the war, and have the eyes implanted into Nagato. The REAL Madara does know Nagato personally. That's the first person he asked for when he was summoned with Edo Tensei.

 

[KnowMads]

CONTEXT CAN BE READ DIFFERENTLY.. im obviously soo wrong ive gotten +rep for being wrong because people disagree with me right? it also doesnt explain why one progress to rinnegan from ems? it also doesnt explain why he switches between the two different eyes to use certain techs?

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context can be read differently but not all the time, and in this case its common sense seriously... stop thinking so hard about this. the proof is right in your face.

why would a MS technique need a whole another doujutsu to unlock its full potential.

sussano has been a mangekyo sharigan tech,why all of a sudden would you need rinnegan to unlock its full potential.

sigh.....

omfg... it also doesnt explain why one progress to rinnegan from ems?

yes it does the uciha inherited the sages eye moron, obviously after years of having it and training etc why isnt it normal that it will eventually evolve to a rinnegan? plz use your [censored] brain...

he switches between the 2 techs for certain situations that the other one isnt suited for... the rinnegan is suited for better things and the sharigan isnt, vice versa.

goodness...

ALSO to make you look even more idiotic. sussano BELONGS to the mangekyo sharigan thats a true fact. the rinnegan is a whole another outside doutjusu why would a MS tech need a outside source to reach its full potential...?????

goodness.....

 

[Super Kami Guru]

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context can be read differently but not all the time, and in this case its common sense seriously... stop thinking so hard about this. the proof is right in your face.

why would a MS technique need a whole another doujutsu to unlock its full potential.

sussano has been a mangekyo sharigan tech,why all of a sudden would you need rinnegan to unlock its full potential.

sigh.....

omfg... it also doesnt explain why one progress to rinnegan from ems?

yes it does the uciha inherited the sages eye moron, obviously after years of having it and training etc why isnt it normal that it will eventually evolve to a rinnegan? plz use your fken brain...

he switches between the 2 techs for certain situations that the other one isnt suited for... the rinnegan is suited for better things and the sharigan isnt, vice versa.

god damn...

ALSO to make you look even more idiotic. sussano BELONGS to the mangekyo sharigan thats a true fact. the rinnegan is a whole another outside doutjusu why would a MS tech need a outside source to reach its full potential...?????

god damn.....

im not saying a susanoo isnt an ms. But youre wrong the rinnegan is seperate from the ****ing sharingan how does one progress from one to the other if they are seperate by saying they are seperate you ignore that one can progress to the other... Youre literally saying A leads to B but B isnt related to A(how can something lead to another thing and yet they arent related at all?)..... thats actually logic pure logic and btw its wrong... stfu if you have nothing to do but insult me. You say they are different and yet he uses the susanoo while using the Rinnegan so if they are different he shouldnt be able to use any form of susanoo while using the rinnegan and he does. IT'S not an using and outside source or different tech to make a jutsu perfect rather he's using the next evolution of the sharingan to complete what wasnt complete in teh EMS seriously this point has been said numerous times soo please just stop youre not debating or bringing out new points just being insulting for the sake of posts

 

[KnowMads]

im not saying a susanoo isnt an ms. But youre wrong the rinnegan is seperate from the ****ing sharingan one does one progress from one to the other if they are seperate by saying they are seperate you ignore that one can progress to the other... Youre literally saying A-> B but B isnt related to A(how can something lead to another thing and yet they arent related at all?)..... thats actually logic pure logic and btw its wrong... stfu if you have nothing to do but insult me. You say they are different and yet he uses the susanoo while using the Rinnegan so if they are different he shouldnt be able to use any form of susanoo while using the rinnegan and he does. IT'S not an using and outside source or different tech to make a jutsu perfect rather he's using the next evolution of the sharingan to complete what wasnt complete in teh EMS seriously this point has been said numerous times soo please just stop youre not debating or bringing out new points just being insulting for the sake of posts

im done. the more i argue with you the more i feel micheal jackson is taking over my soul.

 

[lilshell43]

This thread is pointless. We have no solid proof at all. I do think you need rinnegan but we can't be sure. All I'm seeing is pointless facts.

 

[RAMENATOR]

Please keep the discussion a discussion and not a heated argument. Any further problems with this thread and it will be closed. Play Nice^^

 

[kellzfresh]

I disagree for several reasons.

Firstly, if PS is not an EMS tech, then Sasuke stands no chance against Naruto.

On a more serious note, several quotes make me believe that Madara was capable of PS before his death.

Madara says he will show them 'the full power of Uchiha Madara.'

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If he said 'my full power', then I'd agree PS needs rinnegan. But he's referring to the legend here, and that legend was established when Madara was still alive. In other words, he's about to show them why he was famous.

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Not as important, but the stabilizing thing shows that Madara is fully aware of what is the maximum power of the tech he's using. This makes me think that he's used it before.

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'Did my grandfather really fight against this?' Frankly this quote could go either way, but I'll include it anyways. Should be self explanatory.

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Multiple quotes from this page.
1. 'If I'm the only one here the extent to which the maps will need to be redrawn won't be too drastic.' Clearly, Madara has fought Hashirama in map-changing battles before. However, he hasn't demonstrated any EMS techs capable of this - except PS.

2. 'This is Uchiha Madara's strength.' Same reasoning as for 'the full power of Uchiha Madara.'

3. 'Then why at that time...What kind of adult...' Onoki directly asks why Madara didn't use PS when they fought. Madara doesn't say, 'because I didn't have the Rinnegan.' Madara has been quite honest for the time we've known him. He gives praise where it's due, to Hashirama and to the 5 kage. He acknowledges that he was beaten by Hashirama repeatedly. It doesn't seem in character for him to lie in order to make others believe him to be more powerful than he is. This is probably the strongest evidence I have.

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'One slash of it's sword...only the bijuu...' These are oddly specific claims for someone who ostensibly has never used this tech before.

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'Gave birth to a completely new Doujutsu.' Madara has not yet demonstrated any completely new eye techniques. Itachi and Sasuke have done everything Madara has, except PS.

This^^ evidence and fact

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

If it's a Rinnegan Tech, Nagato would've used it against 8-Tailed Fox. Since it's not, Perfect Susanno-o is just an Advanced EMS Tech.

It can't be a Rinnegan Tech. Madara just GOT the Rinnegan, and had no time to master it.

 

[Biju Hunter]

Good stuff,Agree

 

[Super Kami Guru]

If it's a Rinnegan Tech, Nagato would've used it against 8-Tails. Since it's not, Perfect Susanno-o is just an Advanced EMS Tech.

It can't be a Rinnegan Tech. Madara just GOT the Rinnegan, and had no time to master it.

he didnt just get he states that he awakened it sometime before he died

 

[Uchiha Jinchuuriki]

get off the man he proves the most logical argument to date it makes sense

 

[ImNoOne]

Sasuke before getting Itachi's eyes, therefore MS only.

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Here an exhausted MS Sasuke almost pulls off a Perfect Susano'O. As you can clearly see there is a long nose coming down with the hole from the cloak closing. Then exhausted as he was he got out of MS and lost it. This was probably why Itachi didn't used his Susano'O this advanced, he probably figured out at his own costs that it was pretty taxy on MS's light.

Sasuke's Susanoo after getting Itachi's eyes, therefore EMS.

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Here Sasuke now with EMS using with no problems the same Susano'O with the bird like cloak and the hole where you can see Susano'O's eyes, four arms, everything.

Madara's PS transformation:

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As you can see here we basically have the exact same Susano'O as Sasuke has with the bird like cloak, same arms, crystal on forehead and so on and so fourth, admittedly with some minor differences but nothing shocking considered that at the same stage Itachi's and Sasuke's Susano'O's also have some minor differences so we can all safely assume it depends on the users.

Then we get to the "I'm not finished yet... Now stabilize...!" And this is when we see guess what? a nose, the same nose as Sasuke's first try in MS, coming down and cloak closing in forming this new shape. Susano'O is made of chakra only, so all Madara did was to stabilize this massive beast of hate and chakra. Either it needs more chakra or more chakra/emotional control, it doesn't really matter right now. What matters is he just got a better grip at controlling the chakra monster.

The fact is that MS Sasuke started the transformation towards PS and did not manage to finish it only because he got out of MS. Hence it's proven that PS is not even a technique exclusive to EMS but that it can also be used by a MS user. Either way it has absolutely nothing to do with Rinnegan.

Now apologize for being stubborn!

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Sasuke before getting Itachi's eyes, therefore MS only.

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Here an exhausted MS Sasuke almost pulls off a Perfect Susano'O. As you can clearly see there is a long nose coming down with the hole from the cloak closing. Then exhausted as he was he got out of MS and lost it. This was probably why Itachi didn't used his Susano'O this advanced, he probably figured out at his own costs that it was pretty taxy on MS's light.

Sasuke's Susanoo after getting Itachi's eyes, therefore EMS.

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Here Sasuke now with EMS using with no problems the same Susano'O with the bird like cloak and the hole where you can see Susano'O's eyes, four arms, everything.

Madara's PS transformation:

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As you can see here we basically have the exact same Susano'O as Sasuke has with the bird like cloak, same arms, crystal on forehead and so on and so fourth, admittedly with some minor differences but nothing shocking considered that at the same stage Itachi's and Sasuke's Susano'O's also have some minor differences so we can all safely assume it depends on the users.

Then we get to the "I'm not finished yet... Now stabilize...!" And this is when we see guess what? a nose, the same nose as Sasuke's first try in MS, coming down and cloak closing in forming this new shape. Susano'O is made of chakra only, so all Madara did was to stabilize this massive beast of hate and chakra. Either it needs more chakra or more chakra/emotional control, it doesn't really matter right now. What matters is he just got a better grip at controlling the chakra monster.

The fact is that MS Sasuke started the transformation towards PS and did not manage to finish it only because he got out of MS. Hence it's proven that PS is not even a technique exclusive to EMS but that it can also be used by a MS user. Either way it has absolutely nothing to do with Rinnegan.

Now apologize for being stubborn!

bbbbbutt i dont wanna hahaha stubborn is fun and im saying one needs the ms to get susanoo and rinnegan to perfect just a theory because one gains rinnegan after they progress past ems

 

[SageHokageNaruto]

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHNG YOU SAID EXCEPT the rinnegan is a sharingan part, Rinnegan is like the great grand father of sharingan because the rinnegan existed FIRST.

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

he didnt just get he states that he awakened it sometime before he died

Exactly, that's why Perfect Susano-o is an one of the Advanced EMS Tech.

 

[ImNoOne]

bbbbbutt i dont wanna hahaha stubborn is fun and im saying one needs the ms to get susanoo and rinnegan to perfect just a theory because one gains rinnegan after they progress past ems

Except that I just proved to you that Sasuke begun a PS transformation with MS alone. Therefore you are wrong, case closed.
I just proved you wrong with the Manga, there is nothing you can argue. If you want to keep being stubborn it's on you but I urge you to be aware that you'll only embarrass yourself even further. There is no shame on being wrong, what's truly wrong is to have proof delivered to you and not acknowledging you are wrong.

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

Why haven't we seen sexy moves that made the Uchiha fanboys bounce on Madara's dicck on the Rennigan? We probably haven't seen all it can do yet. If the Sage of Six Paths had it, yeah, It can do wayy better than Perfect Susanno-o. It could probably bitch slap Perfect Susano-o and make it run away.
But since Kishi gave the Uchiha a new Upgrade... That just adds more Uchiha Fanboys in forums saying Perfect Susano-o can beat anything.

 

[TheSages456]

this is bullshit in its finest form. its already confirmed that madara used perfect susano against hashirama. also susano being an ems tech basically voids your entire theory.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Except that I just proved to you that Sasuke begun a PS transformation with MS alone. Therefore you are wrong, case closed.
I just proved you wrong with the Manga, there is nothing you can argue. If you want to keep being stubborn it's on you but I urge you to be aware that you'll only embarrass yourself even further. There is no shame on being wrong, what's truly wrong is to have proof delivered to you and not acknowledging you are wrong.

when did he begin this PS transformation.... cause i honestly just see a ems susanoo.... you havent proved me wrong with the manga cause alot of it points to him using the rinnegan to use the perfect susanoo..... why if the two sets of eyes different and use different abilities is he able to use susanoo with the rinnegan is rinnegan has nothing to do with ems ?

 

[Super Kami Guru]

this is bullshit in its finest form. its already confirmed that madara used perfect susano against hashirama. also susano being an ems tech basically voids your entire theory.

not saying susanoo isnt an ms tech.... and btw he nevers state he used it in the fight with the first.... all we know from that fight is he lose and got 1sts dna...