Perfect susanoo may have evolved via kyuubi contact

[NarutoKage2]

Prior to acquiring control of the kyuubi, madara was never shown using perfect susanoo. My laptops acting up and thus im forced to share my thoughts on my phone w.o the aid of links etc.
Main points are:
-The kyuubi has demonstrably boosted chakra of shinobi it came into contact with in the past.
- The kin gin brothers RETAINED chakra absorbed via kurama after they were revived, meaning a portion of the kyuubis chakra can be permanently absorbed within oneself.
- The requirement to absorb chakra vis a vis the shinobi alliance was kuramas linkage via bm naruto. Hed be unwilling to co operate with madara, but this consent may have been forcibly attained via genjutsu.
-The kyuubi sensed madaras chakra via a summoning jutsu, his sensitvity may owe itself to a past linkage with madaras chakra.
-Perfect susanoo is not merely an EMS power as many believed, proven by sasuke's inability to display it.
- Madara stood atop kuramas head at the valley of the end, this physical proximity was the means via which kakashi, guy and the entire shinobi alliance were replenished with kyuubi chakra.
- The boost in madaras naturally large chakras enhanced the scale of his techniques, thus allowing him to use a near god tier version of susanoo. Its also possible that if sasuke recieves the kyuubis chakra he may awaken something akin to ps.
- Recieving kuramas chakra would not have to manifest itself as a cloak, when naruto used tajuu kage bunshin to fend off edo madaras mokuton this was evident.

Thoughts?

 

[hixa kuogame]

It was perfect before kyuubi contact

 

[NarutoKage2]

It was perfect before kyuubi contact

Perfect susanoo was never shown before the vote fight. Use the timeline.

 

[kronoseth]

who is to say that perfect susanoo wasnt madaras MS ability, coz they never showed his MS ability

 

[Gerkak]

Nice thought but no. Sasuke doesn't have PS because it isn't an ability he has. Just as madara doesn't have blaze release.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I disagree. Madara implied that he could have used it against Oonoki and Muu and as far as we know, he didn't have Kurama then.

Also, Kin and Gin didn't absorb it's chakra, they ate it's flesh which caused their anatomy to change to be able to duplicate the Kyubi's powers.

And we don't know if Sasuke can or can't use PS.

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

If the kyuubi did evolve the susanoo that'd be pretty cool haha

 

[PureGold]

I think we're trying to go too much into detail while making everything too complicated. Who knows, maybe Sasuke has unlocked the PS after gaining his EMS, we haven't seen the new power yet...

 

[NarutoKage2]

I disagree. Madara implied that he could have used it against Oonoki and Muu and as far as we know, he didn't have Kurama then.

Also, Kin and Gin didn't absorb it's chakra, they ate it's flesh which caused their anatomy to change to be able to duplicate the Kyubi's powers.

And we don't know if Sasuke can or can't use PS.

It was just an example proving that kuramas chakra can be retained.

Did he ever show it in the manga? No, so sasuke cant use ps.

 

[NarutoKage2]

who is to say that perfect susanoo wasnt madaras MS ability, coz they never showed his MS ability

Susanoo is an ability of the double mangekyuo, nothing more.

 

[Jin]

Nice thought but no. Sasuke doesn't have PS because it isn't an ability he has. Just as madara doesn't have blaze release.

PS Can be achieved.
PS is a version of Final Susanoo with chakra stabilised, of course one must have EMS to achieve this state Susanoo =D

 

[VolatileSoul]

No it did not. First it was Rinnegan, then Senju DNA, now this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It was just an example proving that kuramas chakra can be retained.

Did he ever show it in the manga? No, so sasuke cant use ps.

Perhaps I wasn't being clear. It's obvious that at the moment, Sasuke can't use it. However, we don't know if he has the capability to use it or not.

 

[Mattbart]

Early susanoo looks like it evolved from hinata s twin lion fist

 

[NarutoKage2]

Perhaps I wasn't being clear. It's obvious that at the moment, Sasuke can't use it. However, we don't know if he has the capability to use it or not.

He may. He may also secretly have the capability to use complete izanagi and creation of all things . If he hasnt shown it, then we consider him as not having it. Get it??

 

[PureGold]

Actually, going back to the Danzo and Sasuke fight, the Susano'o develops proportionally to the hatred of the user, as shown with Sasuke. So it only means that Madara has reached the maximum despair and hatred inside him in order to develop and reach the full potential of his Susano'o. I think this will be one of the main requirements for the PS.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Actually, going back to the Danzo and Sasuke fight, the Susano'o develops proportionally to the hatred of the user, as shown with Sasuke. So it only means that Madara has reached the maximum despair and hatred inside him in order to develop and reach the full potential of his Susano'o. I think this will be one of the main requirements for the PS.

Sasuke should have had a susanoo that surpassed madaras by far, even ps if that were the case. He lost his parents and his entire clan before his eyes, much greater cause for hatred and distress than losing a brother.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He may. He may also secretly have the capability to use complete izanagi and creation of all things . If he hasnt shown it, then we consider him as not having it. Get it??

Yes, but that's not what you were saying in the OP. You basically said it's not an EMS tech because Sasuke can't use it, meaning you were saying it's impossible for Sasuke or only EMS to use it. That's what I'm disagreeing with because we don't know if Sasuke has the capability for it yet. Get what I'm saying?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sasuke should have had a susanoo that surpassed madaras by far, even ps if that were the case. He lost his parents and his entire clan before his eyes, much greater cause for hatred and distress than losing a brother.

While I don't see the point in comparing despair, Madara kinda suffered more. He lost all his brothers. That made him feel weak. Also, his entire clan turned their backs on him. That's worse than you're family dying because you gotta live knowing they're all still alive, but they don't love you anymore.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Yes, but that's not what you were saying in the OP. You basically said it's not an EMS tech because Sasuke can't use it, meaning you were saying it's impossible for Sasuke or only EMS to use it. That's what I'm disagreeing with because we don't know if Sasuke has the capability for it yet. Get what I'm saying?

Did you read what i wrote in the op?
Its not merely an ems power. If it were awakened just by acquiring the EMS, sasuke wouldve used it against kabuto at some point. Its either a tech unique to madara or what i said in the op. Sasuke possibly having it is an unprovable hypothesis.

While I don't see the point in comparing despair, Madara kinda suffered more. He lost all his brothers. That made him feel weak. Also, his entire clan turned their backs on him. That's worse than you're family dying because you gotta live knowing they're all still alive, but they don't love you anymore.

Lol come again? If they're dead then how can they not love? The rest of the uchiha werent his immediate family, he was closer to hashirama who was willing to suicide himself for him