People has less hate on Kaguya now???

[Ensifer]

That's the most hypocritical thing I've heard in a while. But you do you, man.

Grab a dictionary, I honestly don't think you know what that word even means. Anyways, later everyone.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

The Anime could have the opportunity to extend on Kaguya fights as well as more indepth on backstory but as of right now SP is shredding my hopes for the anime, knowing next final season will probably take up half of these trash fillers based on dreamworld arc when we just had these dreadful fillers for 5 months, I don't see they're doing anymore filler padding on kaguya or naruto vs sasuke especially they didn't put any efforts on Gai vs Madara fight.

And that's just terrible because they can add silly filler episodes and not fillers to short fights to make them better. Also Kaguya's goal was terrible Villain-wize. Just to get all the chakra... That's another why she is not liked to much. For me she didn't feel to be a Villain.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

They probably hated her so much becuz Sakura got the last hit on her

No, it because she popped out suddenly with little development and she was quickly defeated within 10 chapters thus making her a really bad FV.

 

[KesOnFire]

No, it because she popped out suddenly with little development and she was quickly defeated within 10 chapters thus making her a really bad FV.

I agree Maddy should have been FV but she wasn't quickly defeated. They struggled a lot doesn't matter if it was only 10 chapters or 5

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

And that's just terrible because they can add silly filler episodes and not fillers to short fights to make them better. Also Kaguya's goal was terrible Villain-wize. Just to get all the chakra... That's another why she is not liked to much. For me she didn't feel to be a Villain.

I understand why people don't like kaguya but this example which you provided based on her reasoning just shows some misinformed readers to distaste her thinking " Kaguya wants all chakra" ONLY when there's clearly obvious reason behind her goal. Momoshiki and Kinishiki served under Kaguya and their intention is to fulfill Kaguya wish which means she has one all along.

It's a matter that we had no idea what her goal was. Kishi wouldn't give us the answer we needed for the longest after the manga ended even the movies didn't explain anything more about kaguya backstory and her motives thus people would conclude that she has none.

 

[The Necromancer]

Grab a dictionary, I honestly don't think you know what that word even means. Anyways, later everyone.

"I'm tired of everyone else refusing to listen to my opinion, so I'm going to stop listening to everyone's opinions."

Hypocrisy*

 

[lndra]

All I'm saying is if Kishi wanted to unequivocally canonize The Last, all he had to do was mention Toneri, the Tenseigan, Hamura's spirit, or Hamura's chakra in Hinata in the Gaiden, and it would have been undeniable.

But he didn't, and the fact is he had less input in the movies than he did in the Manga or the Gaiden, which puts its legitimacy in question, despite what Kishi says.

Kishi could claim the novels are canon as well, but would we take them seriously?

Kishimoto was the lead story chief supervisor for the movie, so take that for it's two cents.

Kishimoto never claimed the novels were canon either, that's fan speculation.

 

[The Necromancer]

Kishimoto was the lead story chief supervisor for the movie, so take that for it's two cents.

Kishimoto never claimed the novels were canon either, that's fan speculation.

1. I am aware, but that is still not as much involvement as with the manga.
2. I never said that. It was a hypothetical. Didn't even know it was a point of debate.

 

[lndra]

1. I am aware, but that is still not as much involvement as with the manga.
2. I never said that. It was a hypothetical. Didn't even know it was a point of debate.

Well let's take a look at the two movies, and the Gaiden.

The Last - It wasn't Kishimoto's idea, rather SP. They approached him with the idea of making this film since 2012, and it's been in production for about two years. While it wasn't Kishimoto's original idea, he did incorporate things into his own personal life, and had the script writers re-write the movie script three times until it fit into his liking. While it isn't his direct work, he still supervised it as it was his own and labeled it canon. Sadly enough Kishimoto knew what he was doing. You can either credit his lack of skill for the movie itself, or you can blame SP. Either-way it could of turned out totally different if Kishimoto wasn't the lead supervisor..

The Gaiden - This wasn't Kishimoto's idea either, go figures. In a recent interview, which I can link and source as always, Kishimoto said he was approached by a lot of members of the Japanese Naruto community in Jump Festa (last year) about SS (since it's fairly popular over there). He said he decided to create the Gaiden due to demand. He never really had any intention of connecting Sarada/Karin at all until they proposed the idea of making a short series about that family. They reap what the sow, huh?

Boruto - This was Kishimoto's idea, in fact he worked by himself on this from scratch with the co-writer of the Gaara novel (who also wrote the Boruto: Movie Novel serialization). He constructed the story, character designs, abilities, and everything else without anyone else guiding him. So from start to finish this is Kishimoto in his purest form.

While each of these are noticeably different, depending on your view of more "canon" from your own personal belief despite them all being canon. Each of the stories still hold principles of his work that make no sense, that have retcons, and that have pieces of the story of lack luster storytelling.

You can say, where was Hamura introduced, but where the hell was Shin introduced? Where hell where Momoshiki and Kinshiki since they were Kaguya's subordinates? Whose the real final villain?

I mean the list can literally go on, see what I mean :lol

 

[The Necromancer]

Well let's take a look at the two movies, and the Gaiden.

The Last - It wasn't Kishimoto's idea, rather SP. They approached him with the idea of making this film since 2012, and it's been in production for about two years. While it wasn't Kishimoto's original idea, he did incorporate things into his own personal life, and had the script writers re-write the movie script three times until it fit into his liking. While it isn't his direct work, he still supervised it as it was his own and labeled it canon. Sadly enough Kishimoto knew what he was doing. You can either credit his lack of skill for the movie itself, or you can blame SP. Either-way it could of turned out totally different if Kishimoto wasn't the lead supervisor..

The Gaiden - This wasn't Kishimoto's idea either, go figures. In a recent interview, which I can link and source as always, Kishimoto said he was approached by a lot of members of the Japanese Naruto community in Jump Festa (last year) about SS (since it's fairly popular over there). He said he decided to create the Gaiden due to demand. He never really had any intention of connecting Sarada/Karin at all until they proposed the idea of making a short series about that family. They reap what the sow, huh?

Boruto - This was Kishimoto's idea, in fact he worked by himself on this from scratch with the co-writer of the Gaara novel (who also wrote the Boruto: Movie Novel serialization). He constructed the story, character designs, abilities, and everything else without anyone else guiding him. So from start to finish this is Kishimoto in his purest form.

While each of these are noticeably different, depending on your view of more "canon" from your own personal belief despite them all being canon. Each of the stories still hold principles of his work that make no sense, that have retcons, and that have pieces of the story of lack luster storytelling.

You can say, where was Hamura introduced, but where the hell was Shin introduced? Where hell where Momoshiki and Kinshiki since they were Kaguya's subordinates? Whose the real final villain?

I mean the list can literally go on, see what I mean :lol

Really my only qualm is with The Last, and it seems this was for a valid reason I didn't even know about.

From what you've said, despite original intentions, The Last is the only canon material Kishi did not have nearly 100% involvement in.

 

[lndra]

Really my only qualm is with The Last, and it seems this was for a valid reason I didn't even know about.

From what you've said, despite original intentions, The Last is the only canon material Kishi did not have nearly 100% involvement in.

I believe the only part Kishimoto played in the Last was character designs (as usual) and in the movie script (as in supervising it until it was perfect from his point of view).

Aside from that the rest of the movie was in the animators hands.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

I understand why people don't like kaguya but this example which you provided based on her reasoning just shows some misinformed readers to distaste her thinking " Kaguya wants all chakra" ONLY when there's clearly obvious reason behind her goal. Momoshiki and Kinishiki served under Kaguya and their intention is to fulfill Kaguya wish which means she has one all along.

It's a matter that we had no idea what her goal was. Kishi wouldn't give us the answer we needed for the longest after the manga ended even the movies didn't explain anything more about kaguya backstory and her motives thus people would conclude that she has none.

Well Kishi made that happen and pointed to that way. He could easily make Momo or the scroll in the Movie say something about Kaguya motives. But he didn't... And that's bad.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Boruto - This was Kishimoto's idea, in fact he worked by himself on this from scratch with the co-writer of the Gaara novel (who also wrote the Boruto: Movie Novel serialization). He constructed the story, character designs, abilities, and everything else without anyone else guiding him. So from start to finish this is Kishimoto in his purest form.

You can say, where was Hamura introduced, but where the hell was Shin introduced? Where hell where Momoshiki and Kinshiki since they were Kaguya's subordinates? Whose the real final villain?

I mean the list can literally go on, see what I mean :lol

And Boruto Movie did what? It did the thing Kishi in his purest form does best! To create a ton of questions!!! And don't forget retcons too.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Anybody have the link to the movie?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I went through the stages and finally accepted her as the final villain. Still don't like her though.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Still just gloss over everything beyond Obito's defeat. It's all deeply uninspiring & bland to me haha

Kaguya seems like a cool concept in a very different version of the manga. Not even sure if introducing her and her awful family earlier would've saved it.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

The main reason why at that time there was a lot of hate towards Kaguya was because she was a female villain and generally female characters and Kishi don't go hand in hand. The Uchihas basically died out which is why Kaguya was hated but now there is less hate on her because she was actually useful and not getting soloed all the other Oosutsuki villains. There was a meaning behind Kaguya but the movie villains are quite pathetic. Momo being the worst out of the lot because he was hyped to be the greatest even more powerful than Kaguya but he ends up getting soloed by Boruto's Rasengan.

I don't understand fully why people hated Kaguya at all because I liked her character.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

The main reason why at that time there was a lot of hate towards Kaguya was because she was a female villain and generally female characters and Kishi don't go hand in hand. The Uchihas basically died out which is why Kaguya was hated but now there is less hate on her because she was actually useful and not getting soloed all the other Oosutsuki villains. There was a meaning behind Kaguya but the movie villains are quite pathetic. Momo being the worst out of the lot because he was hyped to be the greatest even more powerful than Kaguya but he ends up getting soloed by Boruto's Rasengan.

I don't understand fully why people hated Kaguya at all because I liked her character.

It....really wasn't haha, not on this forum anyway.

It was because of her literal intrusion, replacing Madara (the forums' golden boy) and the general nonsensical nature of her lack of character/existence.

 

[Swagdara Uchiha]

Toneri was just wack in General With him trying to get his **** wet with Hinata and trying to kill Naruto resulting in him getting his *** handed to him. Naruto shouldn't even have had a problem with him, what's up with actually activating RSM at the end of the movie? Why not the moment that he first met him?

You're also gonna tell me that the Byakugan can evolve into a Doujutsu that rivals the Rinnegan and RSM in abilities? Sounds like something that came out of Fanfiction to me. Maybe if Kishi had actually given Hamura the Tenseigan (Earlier) and showed it in the Manga when he fought Kaguya (Or the Juubi) then it would have been a credible KKG for me.

I don't have much to say about Boruto the Movie othe since i haven't seen it.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Kishi alone is never a good thing.