People don't understand Hashiramas power

[iSpeak]

But his woods are neither consist out of Chakra nor fitted with it. This is rather explained in the third databook.

Completely false. The translations that the other guy brought up were not from the databook as I already explained. And even then, only 1 jutsu was actually described as being made from the earth itself. The rest are made from chakra.
Like I said many times, it is impossible to grow real trees with just water and earth because you need a seed which contains the embryo.

 

[NOemotions]

yes kabuto said that there arent ninjas on hashiramas level anymore, not nagato, not tobi, thats it. madaras own words were that only hashirama can stomp him when using his strongest attack, the perfect susanoo.

what kind of reputation has nagato? oooh he was the third sage of the six paths..a piece of shit he was who got his legs burned by hanzo the salamanda and destroyed his own body with gedo mazo. a fool.

never put him with hashirama in one league again, never.

Got legs burned = PLOT, GM pierced he's body = Plot nagato was fooled with plots more than anybody in narutoverse. if you don't accept that fact then you are a fool. WE don't know a shit about hashirama, only rumors.

 

[Strict]

Completely false. The translations that the other guy brought up were not from the databook as I already explained. And on top of this, only 1 jutsu was actually described as being made from the earth itself. The rest are made from chakra.

Actually i was going by the original, printed version of the Databook.

 

[iSpeak]

Actually i was going by the original, printed version of the Databook.

The japanese one?

 

[SilverSlick]

Nagato, Kabuto and Tobi>Hashirama.

 

[Midday]

The oil is a form of Chakra, the wood not. Yes, Hashirama is combining two elements in order to use it, but it doesn't satisfy the condition to be absorbed. The Databook explains, that Hashirama in fact creates real trees by sending Chakra into the ground. The control and the growth of the trees happen in their roots which are converted in a source of life. The trees are real and not fitted with Chakra, all the Chakra is in the woods roots from there Hashirama is controlling them. And since the trees are not a form of Chakra, they cannot be absorbed. All explained well in the databook.

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Petra paths main condition is for the attack to be a ninjutus, regardless of properties.

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Mokuton is a ninjutsu. Sorry I couldn't find anything in English but at the top it says mokuton is a ninjutsu.

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Naruto wikia is based on the data books and it said a few times mokuton creates wood nothing about manipulation.

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Wood Release (木遁, Mokuton; English TV "Wood Style") is an advanced nature kekkei genkai that combines earth and water-based chakra natures to create wood or complete trees. This ability can also be used to create other aspects of trees, such as seeds or flowers. Wood Release techniques can be produced from anywhere, including the user's body, as the user's chakra is literally converted into a source of life. Wood Release Techniques (木遁の術, Mokuton no Jutsu) are commonly affiliated with the Snake seal.

 

[Strict]

The japanese one?

Well the german, but the translation of the official printed books should always have the best quality i thought . And there the trees of the Mokuton were explained as real ones which Hashirama can grow. Hashiramas Chakra is just working like a dung, he feeds the ground with his Chaka and created thus trees.

@Rul yes any Ninjutsu which consists out of Chakra is converted into a form. Katon is converted into a flame, the Rasengan is Chakra converted into a energy ball.

And yes the Mokuton is a Ninjutsu but does this automatically mean that it can be absorbed? It absorbs Chakra, but the Mokuton isn't consisting out of Chakra. I mean the Kuchiyose is also classified as a Ninjutsu, but it also depends on the type.

I have a Deja-vu lol.

 

[iSpeak]

Well the german, but the translation of the official printed books should always have the best quality i thought . And there the trees of the Mokuton were explained as real ones which Hashirama can grow. Hashiramas Chakra is just working like a dung, he feeds the ground with his Chaka and created thus trees.

I have ordered the official english translated databook and it should be here in a few days. So I can check everything out.
Feeding the ground with chakra isn't enough to make real life trees, you will always need a seed. However, if you mould your own chakra into wood and then give life to it via Yang release then it would be a real tree, but still made from chakra.
We know that at least some of the Mokuton jutsu's they create are chakra made because it comes from their own body (such as wood clones).
As much as I don't like using it, even Naruto.wiki agrees with me and it is also back up by the fact that he is able to create it anywhere (even where there is no soil or nutrients for the trees).
But ill check the Naruto databook once it comes.

 

[Midday]

Well the german, but the translation of the official printed books should always have the best quality i thought . And there the trees of the Mokuton were explained as real ones which Hashirama can grow. Hashiramas Chakra is just working like a dung, he feeds the ground with his Chaka and created thus trees.

@Rul yes any Ninjutsu which consists out of Chakra is converted into a form. Katon is converted into a flame, the Rasengan is Chakra converted into a energy ball.

And yes the Mokuton is a Ninjutsu but does this automatically mean that it can be absorbed? It absorbs Chakra, but the Mokuton isn't consisting out of Chakra. I mean the Kuchiyose is also classified as a Ninjutsu, but it also depends on the type.

I have a Deja-vu lol.

• That fireball used by Itachi was converted from chakra and was absorbed by Kisames sword used by Bee.
• Oil converted from Jiriya's chakra has been asborbed.
• Rasengan can be asorbed.
  

I'm starting to see a pattern here. But wood converted from Hashirama's chakra can't be absorbed?

 

[iEspada]

Dafuq is wrong with you..Hashirama is creating trees, no matter if he uses his physical yang energy or just the chakra like dung in order to let them grow. proof that the preta path can absorb real living things, it just absorbed chakra, pure chakra, rasenshuriken, rasengn, oil, this is all pure chakra but the mokuton hell no. these are trees, real trees. hashirama created with his mokuton the village, do you things the trees there can be absorbed? :sy: or can preta absorb the houses yamato can create with mokuton? common the whole village would die and the houses decay if they would consist out of chakra. and now dont tell me the difference between the houses and trees of konoha and the mokuton as an attack, both are ninjutsu, the mokuton is can not be absorbed, what a stupid idea. absorbing trees haha.

 

[Strict]

@iSpeak, not quite. The databook explained the Mokuton Bunshins and their difference to Kagebunshins. Kagebunshins are made from the users Chakra and this is a fact. But Mokuton Bunshins are made from real, human cells which were reproduced by the user of the Mokuton. Therefore the Mokuton Bunshins are so durable for fight and don't diappear after being hit once; also they can act on a far larger distance. And since i remember, the databook says that Preta Path is a Fuin Jutsu which absorbs Chakra, not cells. The same goes by the way for the wood shooting out of Yamatos body.

@Rul, yes, but as i said the wood isn't actually chakra which is converted into trees, the woods are real. The only Chakra is in their roots which are converted into a source of life. And from the roots, where the Chakra is, Hashirama controls this trees. To you however consider how much Chakra Hashirama would need in order to feed any single tendril he want to control.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

The oil is a form of Chakra, the wood not. Yes, Hashirama is combining two elements in order to use it, but it doesn't satisfy the condition to be absorbed. The Databook explains, that Hashirama in fact creates real trees by sending Chakra into the ground. The control and the growth of the trees happen in their roots which are converted in a source of life. The trees are real and not fitted with Chakra, all the Chakra is in the woods roots from there Hashirama is controlling them. And since the trees are not a form of Chakra, they cannot be absorbed. All explained well in the databook.

So....when Hashirama fought Hiruzen on top of a roof, he sent his chakra into the roof to stimulate growth of plants? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think roofs have plants in them...maybe Tarzan's roof but not real roofs meaning he created the Mokuton out of thin air with his chakra....Owned.

 

[iSpeak]

@iSpeak, not quite. The databook explained the Mokuton Bunshins and their difference to Kagebunshins. Kagebunshins are made from the users Chakra and this is a fact. But Mokuton Bunshins are made from real, human cells which were reproduced by the user of the Mokuton. Therefore the Mokuton Bunshins are so durable for fight and don't diappear after being hit once; also they can act on a far larger distance. And since i remember, the databook says that Preta Path is a Fuin Jutsu which absorbs Chakra, not cells. The same goes by the way for the wood shooting out of Yamatos body.

Every Kagebunshin is made from chakra... their cells have chakra inside them. The Kagebunshin uses the users cells but it is still made from chakra and can be absorbed.
By the way, I need to go out right now so ill reply later on.

 

[Strict]

So....when Hashirama fought Hiruzen on top of a roof, he sent his chakra into the roof to stimulate growth of plants? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think roofs have plants in them...maybe Tarzan's roof but not real roofs meaning he created the Mokuton out of thin air with his chakra....Owned.

Life can grow from everywhere where is a source of life. If Hashirama created a source of life on the roof, he can let the trees grow from there too, just like when he is creating a source of life in the ground.

Every Kagebunshin is made from chakra... their cells have chakra inside them. The Kagebunshin uses the users cells but it is still made from chakra and can be absorbed.
By the way, I need to go out right now so ill reply later on.

Then we can also say that a human consists out of Chakra an can be absorbed. As i explained, Mokuton Bunshins are similar to a human, since it is not only Chakra which is converted into a form (a human) but you are using your own cells in order to create a body which is consisting out of them. Of course the Kagebunshins are having still Chakra because without Chakra they couldn't move, but since the Mokuton Bunshins by themselves are not Chakra but rather cells, the Rinnegan user should at least touch them in order to drain out their Chakra, just like with a human whose body consists out of cells and is carrying Chakra inside of him.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Life can grow from everywhere where is a source of life. If Hashirama created a source of life on the roof, he can let the trees grow from there too, just like when he is creating a source of life in the ground.



Then we can also say that a human consists out of Chakra an can be absorbed. As i explained, Mokuton Bunshins are similar to a human, since it is not only Chakra which is converted into a form (a human) but you are using your own cells in order to create a body which is consisting out of them. Of course the Kagebunshins are having still Chakra because without Chakra they couldn't move, but since the Mokuton Bunshins by themselves are not Chakra but rather cells, the Rinnegan user should at least touch them in order to drain out their Chakra, just like with a human whose body consists out of cells and is carrying Chakra inside of him.

He creates life with what? The answer is chakra. Chakra is converted to life....just like chakra was converted to fire, to oil, to wind and then still get absorbed. Chakra converted to life will be absorbed...OWNED!

 

[Strict]

He creates life with what? The answer is chakra. Chakra is converted to life....just like chakra was converted to fire, to oil, to wind and then still get absorbed. Chakra converted to life will be absorbed...OWNED!

Don't be so embarrassing please and come down from the high horse .

Yes, the roots which are converted in this source of life consist out of Chakra, nothing more. And from this source of life Hashirama is creating real trees, just like controlling them from their roots, too. This is just like with the trees and houses of Konoha, which are also made from the Mokuton. Hashirama used his Chakra in order to create them, he created a source of life from where he let his trees grow; real trees which were there over many years. This is just like with real trees which also need a source of life from which they can grow, real trees also can't grow from nowhere.

Yeah you owned me with your lack of knowledge and wrong idea about how a source of life is actually working. Broad your horizon, come back and debate .

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Don't be so embarrassing please and come down from the high horse .

Yes, the roots which are converted in this source of life consist out of Chakra, nothing more. And from this source of life Hashirama is creating real trees, just like controlling them from their roots, too. This is just like with the trees and houses of Konoha, which are also made from the Mokuton. Hashirama used his Chakra in order to create them, he created a source of life from where he let his trees grow; real trees which were there over many years. This is just like with real trees which also need a source of life from which they can grow, real trees also can't grow from nowhere.

Yeah you owned me with your lack of knowledge and wrong idea about how a source of life is actually working. Broad your horizon, come back and debate .

If by 'broaden horizons' you mean to make baseless assumptions like this then I think I'm just fine. Anyways, he used chakra to create a source of life according to you then grew trees from it, meaning the trees were produced from source of life which was produced from CHAKRA not rooftops, but from chakra. Just like, fire, oil and wind which Nagato absorbed. And this stupid excuse of the trees remaining after Hashirama's death is no excuse. Hiruzen created an Earth Wall which remained after he died during his fight with the First and the Second. Just because an elemental tech survives after the creator's death doesn't mean it isn't an elemental tech anymore.

 

[KuroKaze]

This underestimation to Hashirama makes me wonder, are you reading the Manga i do?

In versus threads with nagato ppl are claiming that nagato beats him and say hashirama is overrated. overrated? really? where is your head people?

those who say that hashirama is overated, just cant understand what kind of power this man had.

• Kabuto said that no one could reach Hashiramas level anymore
• Madara by himself said twice that only Hashirama could stop him
• Dan said, that only Hashirama could stop Madara
• Kabuto called him a fairy tale like the sage of the six paths and everyone agrees with this fact
  
  
  
  

This man was a god, he soloed EMS madara with the complete kyuubi, ppl are dont understand the power of this man but saying hes overrated and a piece of shit like nagato could beat him.

go and find your head people, Hashirama is a god.

if you disagree, counter Madaras own words, counter Kabutos own words who has the most knowledge, counter dans words.

cant believe how much trolls here are.

and do you know why hashirama can do this? because madaras STRONGEST technique, the perfect susanoo, which is more powerful than any rinnegan tech, got owned by hashirama together with kyuubi.

and his mokuton is NOTHING compared to hashiramas, he was the god who used the mokuton and destroyed kurama with the perfect susanoo.

and he had medical skills that are give a shit on tsunades.

never, NEVER call someone like nagato or someone else stronger than hashirama, because NARUTOS AUTHOR called him stronger.

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I agree with u....BUT the fact that madara had fought with hashirama with his PERFECT SUSANOO....MAY NOT be true,becoz in the recent chapter...MADARA said himself that WHOEVER HAS SEEN IT(PERFECT SUSANO'O)...HAS DIED.....///couldn't he ADD """EXCEPT HASHIRAMA"""....

 

[Strict]

Only because the source of life is fitted with Chakra it doesn't automatically mean that the trees that Hashirama creates from them are Chakra, too. The trees are not made of Chakra but real, they are rather consists of Hashiramas DNA than his Chakra.

I mean the Databook say that Hashirama is creating real trees, too.

Another example the Mokuton technique shooting out of Yamatos body.

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This is a Ninjutsu and Yamato is using his Chakra; of course, any technique needs the use of Chakra. And do you see the definition of this technique? Yamato transforms his tissues at the cellular level, this isn't simply Chakra. And the databook is saying just the same thing. The woods from Yamatos body are not out of chakra, it is just his cells he is reproducing out from his body while being its own source of life. Just like the trees of the Mokuton. He creates a source of life in the ground by using Chakra and let real trees grow from there. No matter whether it is a Ninjutsu or not, growth needs a source of life. And this source of life doesn't need to be only Chakra since as i know he is using his physical energy (yang) too. And only because the source of life possesses Chakra, this doesn't count for the trees which are growing from there, in fact the trees are not Chakra which are converted into a form; only the roots are converted into a source of life (not simply Chakra) from where Hashirama can create them. And the trees are not a form of Chakra but rather a form of life.

And you have to understand that using Chakra doesn't mean that the technique consists out of Chakra, too. Because a Shinobi is using Chakra for each act, whether it is a Genjutsu or Ninjutsu. Even the summoning technique which is classified as a Ninjutsu needs the use of Chakra. But this doesn't mean that you can absorb the summons actually, because the databook says that any Ninjutsu can be absorbed.

These are not mere assumption but things i back up with databook facts.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Preta can more than absorbing pure chakra...
He was able to absorb narutos sagechakra... I guess it should be a little game then to absorb the chakra out of mokuton wood. NO chakra=no growing= no attack

maybe the wood will be sucked in completely, or it just loses chakra and is unable to grow further, which would make it useless for attacks, since it stops growing if it comes too close to pretapath...


And @OP:
Kabuto said also that edo tensei had no weaknesses... and look what happened right now.
Kabuto doesnt know anything at all! It is Orochimaru who has the knowlege... his came just from absorbing parts of him.