People don't understand Hashiramas power

[yuan of cruxis]

Hashirama is somewhere in the top 25, just not top ten
Hiruzen>Hashirama

 

[iEspada]

Only because the source of life is fitted with Chakra it doesn't automatically mean that the trees that Hashirama creates from them are Chakra, too. The trees are not made of Chakra but real, they are rather consists of Hashiramas DNA than his Chakra.

I mean the Databook say that Hashirama is creating real trees, too.

Another example the Mokuton technique shooting out of Yamatos body.

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This is a Ninjutsu and Yamato is using his Chakra; of course, any technique needs the use of Chakra. And do you see the definition of this technique? Yamato transforms his tissues at the cellular level, this isn't simply Chakra. And the databook is saying just the same thing. The woods from Yamatos body are not out of chakra, it is just his cells he is reproducing out from his body while being its own source of life. Just like the trees of the Mokuton. He creates a source of life in the ground by using Chakra and let real trees grow from there. No matter whether it is a Ninjutsu or not, growth needs a source of life. And this source of life doesn't need to be only Chakra since as i know he is using his physical energy (yang) too. And only because the source of life possesses Chakra, this doesn't count for the trees which are growing from there, in fact the trees are not Chakra which are converted into a form; only the roots are converted into a source of life (not simply Chakra) from where Hashirama can create them. And the trees are not a form of Chakra but rather a form of life.

And you have to understand that using Chakra doesn't mean that the technique consists out of Chakra, too. Because a Shinobi is using Chakra for each act, whether it is a Genjutsu or Ninjutsu. Even the summoning technique which is classified as a Ninjutsu needs the use of Chakra. But this doesn't mean that you can absorb the summons actually, because the databook says that any Ninjutsu can be absorbed.

These are not mere assumption but things i back up with databook facts.

lmao owned. what he said is correct. this trees are real and a form of life. and if the datasbook and the wikia says how the mokuton work why are sou still disagreeing and still keep saying that it is materialized chakra or whatever which can be absorbed if it is in fact life in form of real trees hashirama can create. this is not only an elemental technique, hes using his physical energy ang creates life. and yes each thing a ninja is performing needs chakra so using chakra isnt = consisting out of chakra.

realize what kishimoto want to say with this because the proves are on our side. the only thing you can do is to hype preta path with the databook where kishimoto is obviously hyping anything like amaterasu which is as hot as the sun. be ralistic.

ive maybe exaggerated swith hashirama but still hes > nagato.

 

[Imperius]

Hashirama is somewhere in the top 25, just not top ten
Hiruzen>Hashirama

this, madara is also in the top 30
:sy:

 

[abhiraj]

Maybe Madara could be beaten ONLY by Hashirama and no one else??

 

[RavingNeko]

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i dont know why people say nagato can beat him. but most of the people on the base have some sort of vendetta against hashirama. madara, who is superior to nagato says hashirama can beat him yet i see people say "oh nagato shits on hashirama with low difficulty".

this^ everything the person who started the thread said is true

 

[Cursed Prince]

Nagato was not so special. Remember Nagato needed bodies to use his paths, so that made his paths vulnerable and in my mind weak. Now if he was able to walk or he could use one bodie to use all the paths, he wouldn't be so easy to beat. Not only that, but he also needs time for the bodys to receive the chakra. So if Naruto can see this, then so can hashirama. So Hashirama could kill them one by one

 

[OnPoint]

While i'm a Hashirama fan, I will always be a bigger fan of reason. And to be honest, some of what you've said is just bullshit. Nagato and Hashirama are very much comparable.

 

[Kaedon]

The whole "he said, she said" argument is old. It's just about the poorest way to judge a character because every character is going to rate or praise each other in different ways. Some are more bias than others, while some are just ignorant and don't actually know how strong some of these legends are in reality. If you want to base a character's strength off random things said by other characters than you must accept that Sakumo Hatake is greater than Orochimaru and Jiraiya, what have we seen from that guy again? Oh yeah, nothing.

Same thing can be applied to Hashirama, we have seen very little of what he can do the rest has just been speculation and hearsay. Either wait for him to get a little show time or turn down the fandom a bit. It's great to be a fan of a character but when you go out of your way to be nonsensical just because you're favorite isn't getting as much attention (or being listed at #1 in power) you don't need to run to their aid every time.

 

[iSpeak]

Then we can also say that a human consists out of Chakra an can be absorbed. As i explained, Mokuton Bunshins are similar to a human, since it is not only Chakra which is converted into a form (a human) but you are using your own cells in order to create a body which is consisting out of them. Of course the Kagebunshins are having still Chakra because without Chakra they couldn't move, but since the Mokuton Bunshins by themselves are not Chakra but rather cells, the Rinnegan user should at least touch them in order to drain out their Chakra, just like with a human whose body consists out of cells and is carrying Chakra inside of him.

@Bolded I haven't seen it anywhere say that the clone uses cells to create the body. It wouldn't make sense because why are the clones able to merge with plants and trees, change their shape etc? The Kagebunshins just use the users cells as a medium because it contains physical energy, which gives them even greater endurance. That is all. This is why it is so hard to tell between the clone and the original. The Kagebunshins are still made out of chakra. Every Kagebunshin is, no matter what the user uses as a medium.
Preta path should be able to absorb the clone (and the chakra inside the cells) and leave the cells.

 

[kwakugyeabour]

true story, Hashirama is a god, and people just don't grasp the extent of his power
I would have made a thread like this but no need now + rep

 

[Strict]

@Bolded I haven't seen it anywhere say that the clone uses cells to create the body. It wouldn't make sense because why are the clones able to merge with plants and trees, change their shape etc? The Kagebunshins just use the users cells as a medium because it contains physical energy, which gives them even greater endurance. That is all. This is why it is so hard to tell between the clone and the original. The Kagebunshins are still made out of chakra. Every Kagebunshin is, no matter what the user uses as a medium.
Preta path should be able to absorb the clone (and the chakra inside the cells) and leave the cells.

Because the Mokuton Bunshins have the same element as the woods. Capable Doton users can also merge with the ground, just like Kimimaro could merge with his bone forest.

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This wikia page is explaining the Wood Clone technique similar to the databook. The Wood Clones are better than normal, shadow clones since they are not mere chakra but consist out of the users cells. This makes the Clones more durable for fight since they are similar to the users body who possesses the same cells as well. While i agree that Preta Path could drain out the chakra out of them, Preta Path couldn't absorb these clones by themselves but would need to touch them, like touching a human in order to drain out his chakra. And since the Clones are very durable for a fight (can take damage comparable to a human) and can use the users moves too, like Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, Preta Path won't be useful if the talk is about absorbing its Chakra.

 

[iSpeak]

Because the Mokuton Bunshins have the same element as the woods. Capable Doton users can also merge with the ground, just like Kimimaro could merge with his bone forest.

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This wikia page is explaining the Wood Clone technique similar to the databook. The Wood Clones are better than normal, shadow clones since they are not mere chakra but consist out of the users cells. This makes the Clones more durable for fight since they are similar to the users body who possesses the same cells as well. While i agree that Preta Path could drain out the chakra out of them, Preta Path couldn't absorb these clones by themselves but would need to touch them, like touching a human in order to drain out his chakra. And since the Clones are very durable for a fight (can take damage comparable to a human) and can use the users moves too, like Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, Preta Path won't be useful if the talk is about absorbing its Chakra.

Which doton users can merge with the ground? The only one I know of is Zetsu and he is made from Hashirama's cells.
Yeh you said it yourself, the clones consist of the users cells. The cells are not there to form the body of the clone as far as I know, they are just used as a medium for the clone like other elemental clones. I have already read the Wiki page and it doesn't contradict with what I say.

 

[OnPoint]

So-called "solid" elements will fall under the same rule of being absorbed entirely if they're made entirely out of chakra, rather than being the environment enhanced by chakra. Wood and Ice are entirely chakra-based (to even exist they require manipulation of two sets of chakra), so they would get absorbed. Sand and Earth on the other hand, tend to be chakra-infused real-world objects. Though there are instances where Earth was made up of the user's chakra.

No matter how you try and word it, its all chakra based, like Jinton, and thus gets absorbed. I bet if Preta Path was used on the trees Hashirama created around Konoha, they would turn back into chakra in order to be absorbed; same goes for any bodies of water created via Suiton. Who knows? It's just another loophole.

 

[Red Swag]

oh i understand alright. he has the wood and heal right

 

[LinkTheBastardChild]

This underestimation to Hashirama makes me wonder, are you reading the Manga i do?

In versus threads with nagato ppl are claiming that nagato beats him and say hashirama is overrated. overrated? really? where is your head people?

those who say that hashirama is overated, just cant understand what kind of power this man had.

• Kabuto said that no one could reach Hashiramas level anymore
• Madara by himself said twice that only Hashirama could stop him
• Dan said, that only Hashirama could stop Madara
• Kabuto called him a fairy tale like the sage of the six paths and everyone agrees with this fact
  
  
  
  

This man was a god, he soloed EMS madara with the complete kyuubi, ppl are dont understand the power of this man but saying hes overrated and a piece of shit like nagato could beat him.

go and find your head people, Hashirama is a god.

if you disagree, counter Madaras own words, counter Kabutos own words who has the most knowledge, counter dans words.

cant believe how much trolls here are.

and do you know why hashirama can do this? because madaras STRONGEST technique, the perfect susanoo, which is more powerful than any rinnegan tech, got owned by hashirama together with kyuubi.

and his mokuton is NOTHING compared to hashiramas, he was the god who used the mokuton and destroyed kurama with the perfect susanoo.

and he had medical skills that are give a shit on tsunades.

never, NEVER call someone like nagato or someone else stronger than hashirama, because NARUTOS AUTHOR called him stronger.

i agree hashi pown but the only way some could match his power would b if kishi never created him oyu hashi haters

 

[Strict]

Which doton users can merge with the ground? The only one I know of is Zetsu and he is made from Hashirama's cells.
Yeh you said it yourself, the clones consist of the users cells. The cells are not there to form the body of the clone as far as I know, they are just used as a medium for the clone like other elemental clones. I have already read the Wiki page and it doesn't contradict with what I say.

Yes and this 'medium' consists out of the users cells; and since Preta Path only ban away Chakra, it have to touch the wood clone in order to drain its Chakra out. And no, the other elemental clones aren't comparable to this. A Raiton Bunshin is nothing but a Kagebunshin with the users lighting affinity, a Mizu Bunshin is nothing but a Kagebunshin with a water affinity, Chakra stays Chakra. The Mokuton Bunshin on the other hand was explicit said to be better than regular Bunshins since you don't use only Chakra and some elemental affinity but your own cells.

A Raiton Bunshin is also death after being hit, just like a Mizu Bunshin. The Mokuton Bunshin on the other hand can take similar damage like a normal body. And since the cells (your so called medium) can't be absorbed, of course Preta Path have to touch this body in order to drain out its Chakra, similar with a human.

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Here is Orochimaru btw merging with the ground.

It is just the wood clones ability to merge with plants and wood, what else we can say?

 

[iSpeak]

Yes and this 'medium' consists out of the users cells; and since Preta Path only ban away Chakra, it have to touch the wood clone in order to drain its Chakra out. And no, the other elemental clones aren't comparable to this. A Raiton Bunshin is nothing but a Kagebunshin with the users lighting affinity, a Mizu Bunshin is nothing but a Kagebunshin with a water affinity, Chakra stays Chakra. The Mokuton Bunshin on the other hand was explicit said to be better than regular Bunshins since you don't use only Chakra and some elemental affinity but your own cells.

A Raiton Bunshin is also death after being hit, just like a Mizu Bunshin. The Mokuton Bunshin on the other hand can take similar damage like a normal body. And since the cells (your so called medium) can't be absorbed, of course Preta Path have to touch this body in order to drain out its Chakra, similar with a human.

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Here is Orochimaru btw merging with the ground.

It is just the wood clones ability to merge with plants and wood, what else we can say?

Why would the preta path need to make contact with the clone? Like I said before it hasn't been stated that the clone's form is made from cells. The clones only use the cells as a medium. You are assuming that the clones bodies are made from cells, which there is no evidence for as far as I know. The body of the clone is still made from chakra.
I compared the wood clones to the other clones because they still work in the same way (which it says in Narto.wiki aswell). The only difference is that these clones use the users cells instead of an element. The users cells is what allows them to do everything which a normal clone cant do. But the whole clone is still made from chakra (apart the cells). It consisting of cells doesn't stop the clone from being absorbed.
Plus, even if Preta path needed contact, the same thing would happen. The only part of the clone which isn't chakra made are the cells (though they contain chakra inside them).

 

[Loome]

hashirama can solo the 5 kages. he is the stronger from the kages.
Kishi lets opposite sides to be almost equal. Madara and hashirama are equal. As sasuke and naruto are supposed to be at the time their fight will come.
I dont know why people underestimate him.

 

[ThtOneGuy]

it really annoys me when ignorant people cant read whats just been said in the manga and say whos stronger than who because they apparently have more authority of the powerscaling than kishi. if hashi was said to be on his own level then hes on his own level.

if he is said to be the only one to stop edo madara guess what he is the only one. peoples ignorance tends to lead them to the fact that whats in the manga isnt always true. dont give me that hashi hiru counter to what i said because kishi did not intend hashi to be stronger at the start of the series so that ones obvoius

but seriously some thing that was stated around 15 chapters ago multiple times and saying it isnt true due to technicallities is just ridculous. i came to this site to discuss stuff rationally and based off facts not just denieing what is the manga and saying who would win because you want them too. if we know nothing about them its different but the level of ignorance and denial on this thread is ridiculous. i think edo madara would win but since it hasnt been confirmed i have to go with hashi due to his hype and whats been stated in the manga about him even by his most hated enemy madara.

 

[Strict]

Why would the preta path need to make contact with the clone? Like I said before it hasn't been stated that the clone's form is made from cells. The clones only use the cells as a medium. You are assuming that the clones bodies are made from cells, which there is no evidence for as far as I know. The body of the clone is still made from chakra.
I compared the wood clones to the other clones because they still work in the same way (which it says in Narto.wiki aswell). The only difference is that these clones use the users cells instead of an element. The users cells is what allows them to do everything which a normal clone cant do. But the whole clone is still made from chakra (apart the cells). It consisting of cells doesn't stop the clone from being absorbed.
Plus, even if Preta path needed contact, the same thing would happen. The only part of the clone which isn't chakra made are the cells (though they contain chakra inside them).

Hmm isn't this the same thing? Using cells in form of a body as a medium is the same as saying that the Mokuton Bunshin IS Chakra. The databook says that the Mokutonuser is reproducing his cells in order to create this Bunshins, even the Manga shows how a Bunshin is splitting from Yamatos body in form of woods, what is nothing but his cells. And since Preta Paths ability is only to ban away Chakra, the body which consists in fact of cells (call it however you want) Preta Path will have to touch its body in order to absorb it, there is no other way to absorb the Chakra from its body. You said, the clone is made out of chakra, 'apart of the cells'; and here you contradict yourself, the cells are forming the clones body, the Chakra is inside of them like by a human.

And considering that the clone can't only take a similar damage like a real, human body does but can also use the users abilities too, a successful absorb of its chakra would never happen, except the clone is only standing around. All this is rather backed up with the databook and the Manga, so i am right here.

And now consider Hashirama will use 30 of those durable clones which are using Taijutsu and the Mokuton as well and cannot be killed by just Shinra Tensei them away.