[Gen] Pekoms

[Reborn]

That's the point, there are currently techniques in other areas that are proprietary to specialists in this field. If you're not a specialist, then this technique is very weak. The strength of this technique is biased toward genjutsu specialists obviously.

There are none, Tsunade used this technique without any indication of how she did it so as far as we know it doesn't require any hand seals and we won't necessitate hand seals for it.

There is no "look" to this technique remember basics of genjutsu "manipulates any and/or all of the five senses." This technique only deals with physical mobility.

Yes it does.

And I don't recall if Fujin and Raijin used their mouths to speak. The episode this was used in was 146 of the pre-shippuden series.

 

[Pekoms]

In spite of specialists being able to use to a greater degree and being resistant, it seems more useful than initially thought. Ordinarily, an illusion that just impinges on a sense without some sort of meaning for the opponent to follow would be a bit too obvious. That said, if you guys could get the pending puppetry poison approved, I think it could be quite viable in tandem with it. Getting poisoned is already bad enough, in and of itself, but it also provides a reasonable explanation for the opponent suddenly losing their physical mobility. Similarly, the illusion could not only provide openings, but also allow the poison time to actually work its way throughout the victim.​

 

[Reborn]

In spite of specialists being able to use to a greater degree and being resistant, it seems more useful than initially thought. Ordinarily, an illusion that just impinges on a sense without some sort of meaning for the opponent to follow would be a bit too obvious. That said, if you guys could get the pending puppetry poison approved, I think it could be quite viable in tandem with it. Getting poisoned is already bad enough, in and of itself, but it also provides a reasonable explanation for the opponent suddenly losing their physical mobility. Similarly, the illusion could not only provide openings, but also allow the poison time to actually work its way throughout the victim.​

Technique is useful in the right hands obviously. How would this effect an Uchiha?

 

[Pekoms]

Technique is useful in the right hands obviously. How would this effect an Uchiha?

Honestly, I feel like it should affect Uchiha bios in much the same manner as the genjutsu specialists, but that's more a nonofficial opinion. Since nothing pertaining to the clan was mentioned in the description, I'd assume it'd be like any other bio lacking genjutsu as either primary or secondary specialty. That said, they should be more easily able to figure out that they've been caught in an illusion, by virtue of their genetic inheritance and the proper mentality.​

 

[Reborn]

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Honestly, I feel like it should affect Uchiha bios in much the same manner as the genjutsu specialists, but that's more a nonofficial opinion. Since nothing pertaining to the clan was mentioned in the description, I'd assume it'd be like any other bio lacking genjutsu as either primary or secondary specialty. That said, they should be more easily able to figure out that they've been caught in an illusion, by virtue of their genetic inheritance and the proper mentality.​

You're right, there is nothing specifically delegating special privilege to Uchihas. If they are not gen specialists they can only use the lowest level of it and if they are they can use it to their respective power. However, notice that this technique is not a visual illusion and is not something that can be broken passively by any tier of Sharingan. This may currently be the only canon technique not susceptible to it.

Now, the Genjutsu reverse technique may work on this technique, I'm not entirely sure but by the Uchiha masters, I believe the technique applies to all techniques.

 

[Pekoms]

You're right, there is nothing specifically delegating special privilege to Uchihas. If they are not gen specialists they can only use the lowest level of it and if they are they can use it to their respective power. However, notice that this technique is not a visual illusion and is not something that can be broken passively by any tier of Sharingan. This may currently be the only canon technique not susceptible to it.

Now, the Genjutsu reverse technique may work on this technique, I'm not entirely sure but by the Uchiha masters, I believe the technique applies to all techniques.

I'm a bit confused. Bios with active Sharingan would be able to detect anomalies in their chakra flow, no?​

 

[Reborn]

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I'm a bit confused. Bios with active Sharingan would be able to detect anomalies in their chakra flow, no?​

yes, but they'd need a valid reason. They don't just auto know.

 

[Pekoms]

Alright, no further questions.​

 

[Reborn]

That concludes paralysis based techniques. Take your pick of the next method

Deceptive Techniques
Concealment Techniques

 

[Pekoms]

That concludes paralysis based techniques. Take your pick of the next method

Deceptive Techniques
Concealment Techniques

The former sounds more interesting, so I suppose that's the next set.​

 

[Reborn]

Deception it is.

Now the concept seems redundant since all genjutsu possess the nature of deceiving your opponent. However, the techniques in this section don't possess any of the paralysis, concealing, or hypnotic effects of the other methods. Specifically these techniques are designed to deceive your opponent regarding events and that would otherwise go unnoticed as genjutsu but would provoke certain actions. If we didn't have the metagame factor this method would be much more useful than it appears to be. Though the techniques in this method tend to be the most inconspicuous in nature. They attempt to be harder to figure out than other techniques. I'm currently working on a hybrid technique that utilizes movement restriction and discrete occurrences.

Currently, the Drunken Monkey Fist fighting style utilizes illusions of this nature based on a concept I gave away to Chris. Some of the illusions in those techniques are good examples.

 

[Pekoms]

I'll take a look at the CFS.​

 

[Reborn]

Copy and paste 3 techniques you think are in this method. Don't explain them, just paste em

 

[Pekoms]

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

( Kori Shinchū no Jutsu ) - Sly Mind Affect Technique
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion on the opponent that makes them believe they are travelling in a straight line, when instead they are moving in circles. This is only effective on moving opponents. If the opponent travels in the circle for hours, they will be exhausted.

(Magen: Nijū Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu) Demonic Illusion: Double False Surroundings Technique
Type: Supplmentary
Rank: B-Rank
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: N/A
Description:
The user will do a sequence of 3 handseals, putting his opponents under a double layered Genjutsu. The user is able to create false surroundings to fool his targets, much like the simpler version of the technique. However, the illusion is in fact layered. If the opponent manages to release the first one, he will then feel the effects of the second illusion. If, for example, the first illusion is that of a desert and the second that of a forest, upon releasing the first one, the opponent will see the desert fade away while the forest appears around him, making him think he dispelled the illusion while in essence he is still caught in one. Each illusion is equivalent to C-Rank and both are casted at the same time. While normal releases will release only one illusion at a time, a strong enough pain or an external source of chakra can dispel both at the same time.​

 

[Reborn]

Sure, pick the two techniques that are essentially the same; anyway those are all correct.

Now I'm sure you can read so there's no sense in me asking you to describe rudimentary stuff. I want you to tell me the limitations of these three techniques and how one could determine they are caught within each of these techniques.

 

[Pekoms]

I'd say the main limitation, in regards to the false surroundings, is simply the extent to which terrain can be altered. Everything must be quite slight, or it'll become immediately evident that something is off. Sly Mind Affect is possibly even more limited, since an opponent unable to go from point A to point B in the way they expect, is rather conspicuous. I believe this genjutsu also "loops" everything in the vicinity of the victim, so there could be innumerable giveaways. On the other hand, the illusions could potentially be underutilized, which could equate to a basically unimpeded opponent. Question: Could one alter the terrain to make it seem as though future earth/water techniques aren't properly functioning (emerging from source)?​

 

[Reborn]

You can't change things that happen after you cast the illusion. If you change the terrain, then that is the state of the illusion until it is broken. If somebody uses earth techniques after the fact they will not be affected by the genjutsu at all.

Tell me, with false surroundings if you change the solid earth into water, do your opponents feel as though they're on water? In other words, does this technique effect anything other than your sense of sight?

As for sly mind affect, the genjutsu itself doesn't make any loops; you are traveling in circles. What is happening is the mind and your senses are traveling in the desired direction but you physically are not. However you never actually see your destination getting closer, you just keep traveling in toward it from where you started.

 

[Pekoms]

You can't change things that happen after you cast the illusion. If you change the terrain, then that is the state of the illusion until it is broken. If somebody uses earth techniques after the fact they will not be affected by the genjutsu at all.

Tell me, with false surroundings if you change the solid earth into water, do your opponents feel as though they're on water? In other words, does this technique effect anything other than your sense of sight?

As for sly mind affect, the genjutsu itself doesn't make any loops; you are traveling in circles. What is happening is the mind and your senses are traveling in the desired direction but you physically are not. However you never actually see your destination getting closer, you just keep traveling in toward it from where you started.

I would say no, as the technique description explicitly states that only the "looks" of the terrain change. "Looping" was perhaps not the most apt selection, but I was mainly referring to its usage in the Chūnin Exams, which was eventually understood to be an illusion when the group kept stumbling across a giant centipede/millipede pinned to a tree, despite their attempts to move. I honestly wasn't thinking that they were just circling that one tree (z.z'), but if they were, would that mean the circling range is quite small?​

 

[Reborn]

Correct, while it was never really demonstrated with Idate, if the terrain changed from, say, a sturdy rocky environment to a sandy beach. If for no other way of indicating the illusion, the consistency of the ground would feel different and that could give it away.

The range is ambiguous. You can't tell how far they are circling or not but in theory you could restrict their movement to only doing so within a certain confined area so that they look like they're staying are x-distance away or y-distance away from the target.

 

[Pekoms]

No other questions, for the time being.​