[Theory] Peace through Strength: was Danzo on to something?

[Senju Bean]

Danzo was able to put seals on peoples tongues so that when they talked about the root's secrets, they freeze up.

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Surely, the seals could be placed on the arms and legs so that it freezes people as they become violent.

In Sai's case, the seal was programmed to activate when secrets are about to be spoken. Surely it can be programed to respond to other things.

Someone as strong as Kaguya, Hagaromo, or Madara could have achieved peace through this method, using seals far stronger than Danzo's and placing them on every single human.

People would still have their freedom and go about their daily lives, as the seal only interferes once the person becomes violent.

It's full proof.

To those that say it's slavery:

well,

In the real world, the legal system locks up violent people.

The seals do the same thing, lock up violent people.

 

[valandil988]

True but then there would be no freedom.

Problem is you can't have peace without freedom. Without freedom, peace can turn to tyranny.

 

[slimreaper]

danzo was a selfish pig

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[ANiMUS]

I think for Kaguya IT was the better option, at least the ppl could live out their dreams with out the fear of an overwhelming oppressor

danzo was a selfish pig

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Selfish Pig doesn't even begin to describe Danzo

 

[Senju Bean]

True but then there would be no freedom.

Problem is you can't have peace without freedom. Without freedom, peace can turn to tyranny.

It's not like IT, it's just placing seals on people to prevent them from fighting.

It's like everyone has a fatal disease and the CDC is forcing treatment on everyone.

It's not like locking everyone up and throwing away the key.

 

[valandil988]

It's not like IT, it's just placing seals on people to prevent them from fighting.

It's like everyone has a fatal disease and the CDC is forcing treatment on everyone.

It's not like locking everyone up and throwing away the key.

Problem is if Kaguya and Hagaromo set the tendency for controlling people with seals what happens when someone comes along with the skills to manipulate them?? You get world domination thats what. Again seals are just far to vulnerable to manipulation.

And if everyone had them there is the possibility you could somehow control them all.

Sorry it has all the same problems with misuse as Hagaromo's chakra sharing idea does.

 

[Senju Bean]

Problem is if Kaguya and Hagaromo set the tendency for controlling people with seals what happens when someone comes along with the skills to manipulate them?? You get world domination thats what. Again seals are just far to vulnerable to manipulation.

And if everyone had them there is the possibility you could somehow control them all.

Well, he just gave two kids the power to wipe out the earth.

How is that a better solution?

The seals would work if it is designed to be self perpetual, that is, a baby born automatically has them via inheritance. Then no one needs to place them after the initial placement. Then, whoever placed them on humanity would place them on themselves as well.

No one can come along to manipulate because everyone would have them. If someone tries to manipulate, they freeze up.

 

[valandil988]

Well, he just gave two kids the power to wipe out the earth.

How is that a better solution?

The seals would work if it is designed to be self perpetual, that is, a baby born automatically has them via inheritance. Then no one needs to place them after the initial placement. Then, whoever placed them on humanity would place them on themselves as well.

No one can come along to manipulate because everyone would have them. If someone tries to manipulate, they freeze up.

There is no way Hagaromo managed to share chakra with EVERYONE, Ninja, those that can use chakra are a very small group of people local to only the elemental lands, they number in the tens of thousands, ergo all Hagaromo would have achieved by creating self perpetuating seals is a slave race. When Humans that hadn't come into contact with them could use and abuse them because they had no means to defend themselves against non-sealed humans.

Said unsealed humans would never breed with these sealed humans creating a segregated society.

Sorry but you didn't really think this through.

 

[Senju Bean]

There is no way Hagaromo managed to share chakra with EVERYONE, Ninja, those that can use chakra are a very small group of people local to only the elemental lands, they number in the tens of thousands, ergo all Hagaromo would have achieved by creating self perpetuating seals is a slave race. When Humans that hadn't come into contact with them could use and abuse them because they had no means to defend themselves against non-sealed humans.

Said unsealed humans would never breed with these sealed humans creating a segregated society.

Sorry but you didn't really think this through.

That is why he places the seals on everyone on earth.

Problem solved.

Why he can't do that?

 

[valandil988]

That is why he places the seals on everyone on earth.

Problem solved.

Why he can't do that?

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Everyone on earth are you kidding??? He could have spent his entire natural life span doing nothing but that and he would never manage it....

Do you have any idea how long that would take? Its not a simple matter of snapping your fingers. People would hide from him, try to escape, so its not like everyone would come quietly. You assume to much.

 

[Ryu D Hyuuga]

To many wholes on this thread ur hearts in the right place there are just too many X factors

 

[awesomeseimei]

So seals that activate when people try to be violent. Why not genetically modify people to be born non-violent to begin with? I mean, with seals humans would eventually find ways around it to do harm to others since it's what human nature is.

 

[Senju Bean]

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Everyone on earth are you kidding??? He could have spent his entire natural life span doing nothing but that and he would never manage it....

Do you have any idea how long that would take? Its not a simple matter of snapping your fingers. People would hide from him, try to escape, so its not like everyone would come quietly. You assume to much.

With his senjutsu, he can sense everyone. (even Naruto with a significantly dumbed down version, was able to sense other worldly entities) and know all the hiding spots.

He'll create millions of clones and track them all down. On the off chance that he does utilize clones, he'll just speed blitz accross the earth and tag everyone with seals. Think Sasuke is fast?, he's a snail compared to Hagaromo.

 

[Senju Bean]

So seals that activate when people try to be violent. Why not genetically modify people to be born non-violent to begin with? I mean, with seals humans would eventually find ways around it to do harm to others since it's what human nature is.

Of course there's no way around the seals.

If they were made by a godly figure.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Danzo was able to put seals on peoples tongues so that when they talked about the root's secrets, they freeze up.

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Surely, the seals could be placed on the arms and legs so that it freezes people as they become violent.

In Sai's case, the seal was programmed to activate when secrets are about to be spoken. Surely it can be programed to respond to other things.

Someone as strong as Kaguya, Hagaromo, or Madara could have achieved peace through this method, using seals far stronger than Danzo's and placing them on every single human.

People would still have their freedom and go about their daily lives, as the seal only interferes once the person becomes violent.

It's full proof.

Or a seal to block the ability to mix spiritual and physical energy (henceforth, blocking the ability to mold and use chakra). This way, people could use ninshuu (spiritual energy only).

 

[Meowazziel]

At first this seal system seems like a good idea.
After reading the thread it still seems like it but than some flaws started to occur to me.

One thing is that that people will probably understand less and learn less. They cant learn from mistakes if the seal doesnt allow them. They wont be not violent because they dont want to. They will be not violent because the seal wont allow them to act like that.

So basically it is not really a way of peace that is achieved by the people themselfs.

Next to this it wont stop feelings of hatred.
And people can still decide not to help one another.

Sorry but your seal system has flaws.

One cant exist without the other.
Through cooporation of opposing forces, true happiness can be achieved. This is true.

Basically one needs to know what conflict is to know hoe peace can be achieved.

So the only way for everlasting peace is through guidance of an immortal who is in balance and righteous.
Who has learned what there is to be learned.

This person has to be in contact with everyone and being capable of transmitting experiences and wisdom to everyone. So that they have the knowledge and experience and insights that are required to wanting to maintain peace.

This would be some sort of advanced form of ninshuu basically.

 

[SuperChief]

In the real world, who knows?

In the manga? No. The manga has established that individuals like Danzō are cogs in the machine that is the shinobi world. They perpetuate the cycle of hatred through their ruthless pragmatism that has not only killed countless but bred victims of a system such as Nagato, Orochimaru, Itachi, Obito and many others, who in turn hurt others and thus further perpetuate the cycle of hatred. Hagoromo believed compassion, empathy and mutual understanding was the way to order and peace. Ashura inherited his father's beliefs and thus became his successor. Down the line paragons like Hashirama, Jiraiya and Naruto subscribed to that thought, and with good reason.

 

[Shinato]

This wouldn't create peace, it would create slavery. You are forcing people not to make the choices that they want, that is slavery and lack of freedom. Not to mention that it wouldn't really work as when Hagoromo or the one that casted the seals died, the seals would go away.

 

[Senju Bean]

This wouldn't create peace, it would create slavery. You are forcing people not to make the choices that they want, that is slavery and lack of freedom. Not to mention that it wouldn't really work as when Hagoromo or the one that casted the seals died, the seals would go away.

How is that slavery?

People are forced to wear seatbelts. Is that slavery?

People are forced to be vaccinated against certain diseases. Is that slavery?

People are forced to have social security numbers so it makes it difficult to secretly commit fraud. Is that slavery?

People that commit violence are threatened with jail time. Is that slavery??

 

[Senju Bean]

At first this seal system seems like a good idea.
After reading the thread it still seems like it but than some flaws started to occur to me.

One thing is that that people will probably understand less and learn less. They cant learn from mistakes if the seal doesnt allow them. They wont be not violent because they dont want to. They will be not violent because the seal wont allow them to act like that.

So basically it is not really a way of peace that is achieved by the people themselfs.

Next to this it wont stop feelings of hatred.
And people can still decide not to help one another.

Sorry but your seal system has flaws.

One cant exist without the other.
Through cooporation of opposing forces, true happiness can be achieved. This is true.

Basically one needs to know what conflict is to know hoe peace can be achieved.

So the only way for everlasting peace is through guidance of an immortal who is in balance and righteous.
Who has learned what there is to be learned.

This person has to be in contact with everyone and being capable of transmitting experiences and wisdom to everyone. So that they have the knowledge and experience and insights that are required to wanting to maintain peace.

This would be some sort of advanced form of ninshuu basically.

People that become violent gets locked in jail.

Here, People that become violent gets locked with a seal.

It's the same idea.

Not perfect, but infinitely better than nothing.