Part 2 Neji vs Hebi Sasuke

[Icelerate]

1st one I guess..

Neji does not care to hurt sasuke Externally, Because that is not how the gental fist works:

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And Just so you know.. All of neji's attacks will hit the inside of Sasuke aiming for vital organs and key points! So basically the myth or idea you have about neji not getting over sasuke's Def in base or CM1/2 is Mute and now Null and void. Next!

I'm pretty sure SlimReaper was talking about how Neji has to actively seal away Sasuke's chakra points to do meaningful damage against him and that attacks such as vacuum palm aren't doing much (

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). Considering 30% Kisame wasn't even fazed by it one bit and managed to react to Tenten's ninja tools

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. BTW Kisame was using the body of a fodder and didn't have his own body in that fight, correct me if I am wrong. Hebi Sasuke's durability allowed him to

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which are far more dangerous. Nevermind that, to use vacuum palm, Neji has to first aim his palm at Sasuke which gives Sasuke clues as to what Neji is planning. Once that is done, Neji also has to release that chakra from his palm and I've already proved how sharingan can see chakra.

If you are clueless on Sasuke's speed feats, I'll post the most significant one here.

Deidara is forced to use Shī Tsū because he thinks that 'Sasuke's movements are definitely too fast'. [

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] Please look at Deidara's size and the Dragon's size. [

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] Now check out the size of the explosion. [3] Sasuke escaped the explosion and Deidara comments on his speed once again, saying 'Damn, he's fast!'.

All in all, Sasuke dodges vacuum palm, Neji's only mid ranged attack, with ease.

3 tomoe Precog or prediction is overrated and misunderstood in the sense that many users and noobs think it makes you invincible in CQC. That is also a myth and has been proven wrong with in the manga booku times. The sharingan cannot Predict chakra nor see chakra build up:

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And ofc the sharingan cannot predict and in most cases fast or unorthodox movements:

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Sasuke predicting the swords had nothing to do with if he was 100% or not. It's just like what Lee stated

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. Sasuke has been best in Taijutsu on plenty occasions so please do not think he is unbeatable in CQC when Neji has a better Taijutsu score and even speed with sasuke in the Databook (since you wanna bring it up).

Basically it would go like this:

Neji and sasuke engage CQC..

Sasuke attempts to predict and strike neji. Neji blocks teh Attack with Pure chakra Alone

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. Rotation isn't needed since the chakra can literally alter his fist and arm to aid in side stepping and counter attacking like

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. I will further explain later if necessary.

1. Naruto managed to hit Sasuke because his speed was enhanced by Kyuubi chakra cloak and more importantly, due to the increase in range his chakra arms gave him. That amount of reach Naruto gained in combat was something Sasuke didn't anticipate. On the other hand, the only attack Neji has like this is vacuum palm. Everything else Neji has requires him to get close to Sasuke and strike him in hand to hand combat which Sasuke is more than capable of avoiding and sticking to mid ranged combat with chidori sharp spear. BTW, that is part one Sasuke you are linking me, Hebi Sasuke is a lot stronger and I agree that Neji beats the Sasuke you linked me low difficulty.

2. Bee is faster than Neji and Sasuke was

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. Not to mention he wasn't aiming to kill Bee. Also MS Sasuke had a very irrational way of fighting unlike Hebi Sasuke that is why he was ignorant enough to attack Bee head on instead of giving himself a few metres of breathing space and attacking via chidori sharp spear. However, Sasuke didn't want to kill Bee so he didn't opt to use chidori sharp spear which would have sliced Bee apart. Nevertheless,

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and if Neji charges Sasuke to strike him with 8 trigrams 64 palms, he'll get killed by chidori sharp spear before Neji can finish him off.

3. You are basically telling me that Neji can emit chakra to block a punch from Sasuke, okay fine but why would Sasuke punch Neji instead of stabbing him with chidori sharp spear? BTW, I've already countered this argument in my first post in this thread.

Then lets pretend sasuke does 1 of two things:

Defend with Chidori Current:
But wait neji will see th echakra build up in his chakra net work like

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. And once the chakra is build up for obv a ninjutsu Neji can switch to Defense and Rotate thus Canceling and overpowering Chidori Current. And it being able to tank a Juubi's Giant hand shows both the Defense power and offense power when hit by it

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. And keep in mind the power behind a Juubi's tail/hand.. Basically this will hurt sasuke greatly and he will get hit since it can happen instantly! Rotation+Chakra vision>Chidori Current!

The point of chidori nagashi is that if Neji gets too close, Sasuke can simply use this and force Neji to defend himself or dodge. Hence it acts as a CQC deterrent. Secondly, rotation is not instant, reread my first post in this thread, I've covered everything related to rotation.

Dodge and attempt a counter attack:
But wait yet again, Sasuke will attempt to do what he did with Naruto

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, And catch a similar fate. Full Body BLOW!!!

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Now also keep in mind this attack can blast chakra ACCURATELY from any and every part of his body! Basically it increases the range of all of neji's strikes if missed. Kind of like Naruto's Sage frog katas

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. But instead sasuke will be blasted with a shit load of chakra that destroyed durable Zetsu's body. Keep in mind Zetsu's Body is able to tank Kunai's and other ninja tools (metals is what im getting at), even Naruto's Absorbing Rasengan

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couldn't fully harm the zetsu body like neji did in a sense.

Wow just wow... Sasuke isn't wrapping himself on top of Neji like the Zetsu clone did so full body blow is irrelevant and won't do any damage to Sasuke who can fight from around

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. Not to mention that is nothing like Naruto's frog kata which can't be seen due to being made out of senjutsu chakra. Neji's chakra related attacks are made out of ordinary chakra which the sharingan can see just fine (

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). Sasuke could tell that Deidara was almost out of chakra and that his microscopic nanobombs consisted of chakra so it proves that the sharingan can see both internal and external chakra. So Sasuke himself knows when Neji is about to use rotation, prepare a vacuum palm or simply prepare himself when Neji decides to shunshin towards Sasuke.

Snakes from body not summon are seen through with the Byakugan seeing chakra build up. Full body blow destroys any type of Binding with no diff.

Snake summons are simply dodged then destroyed with one hit/touch from the

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. They are nothing to fear nor worry about.

And please don't bring up the Mid range game that neji perfectly counters no diff! Anything else anyone would like to add?

I agree but if Sasuke decides to have a snake summon fight Neji, and Neji decides to take out the snake summon, Sasuke himself takes Neji out. No way Neji can defend himself from Sasuke while he himself is going on the offensive against his summons.

 

[Draegod]

I'm pretty sure SlimReaper was talking about how Neji has to actively seal away Sasuke's chakra points to do meaningful damage against him and that attacks such as vacuum palm aren't doing much (

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). Considering 30% Kisame wasn't even fazed by it one bit and managed to react to Tenten's ninja tools

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. BTW Kisame was using the body of a fodder and didn't have his own body in that fight, correct me if I am wrong. Hebi Sasuke's durability allowed him to

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which are far more dangerous. Nevermind that, to use vacuum palm, Neji has to first aim his palm at Sasuke which gives Sasuke clues as to what Neji is planning. Once that is done, Neji also has to release that chakra from his palm and I've already proved how sharingan can see chakra.

If you are clueless on Sasuke's speed feats, I'll post the most significant one here.

Deidara is forced to use Shī Tsū because he thinks that 'Sasuke's movements are definitely too fast'. [

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] Please look at Deidara's size and the Dragon's size. [

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] Now check out the size of the explosion. [3] Sasuke escaped the explosion and Deidara comments on his speed once again, saying 'Damn, he's fast!'.

All in all, Sasuke dodges vacuum palm, Neji's only mid ranged attack, with ease.

1. Naruto managed to hit Sasuke because his speed was enhanced by Kyuubi chakra cloak and more importantly, due to the increase in range his chakra arms gave him. That amount of reach Naruto gained in combat was something Sasuke didn't anticipate. On the other hand, the only attack Neji has like this is vacuum palm. Everything else Neji has requires him to get close to Sasuke and strike him in hand to hand combat which Sasuke is more than capable of avoiding and sticking to mid ranged combat with chidori sharp spear. BTW, that is part one Sasuke you are linking me, Hebi Sasuke is a lot stronger and I agree that Neji beats the Sasuke you linked me low difficulty.

2. Bee is faster than Neji and Sasuke was

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. Not to mention he wasn't aiming to kill Bee. Also MS Sasuke had a very irrational way of fighting unlike Hebi Sasuke that is why he was ignorant enough to attack Bee head on instead of giving himself a few metres of breathing space and attacking via chidori sharp spear. However, Sasuke didn't want to kill Bee so he didn't opt to use chidori sharp spear which would have sliced Bee apart. Nevertheless,

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and if Neji charges Sasuke to strike him with 8 trigrams 64 palms, he'll get killed by chidori sharp spear before Neji can finish him off.

3. You are basically telling me that Neji can emit chakra to block a punch from Sasuke, okay fine but why would Sasuke punch Neji instead of stabbing him with chidori sharp spear? BTW, I've already countered this argument in my first post in this thread.

The point of chidori nagashi is that if Neji gets too close, Sasuke can simply use this and force Neji to defend himself or dodge. Hence it acts as a CQC deterrent. Secondly, rotation is not instant, reread my first post in this thread, I've covered everything related to rotation.

Wow just wow... Sasuke isn't wrapping himself on top of Neji like the Zetsu clone did so full body blow is irrelevant and won't do any damage to Sasuke who can fight from around

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. Not to mention that is nothing like Naruto's frog kata which can't be seen due to being made out of senjutsu chakra. Neji's chakra related attacks are made out of ordinary chakra which the sharingan can see just fine (

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). Sasuke could tell that Deidara was almost out of chakra and that his microscopic nanobombs consisted of chakra so it proves that the sharingan can see both internal and external chakra. So Sasuke himself knows when Neji is about to use rotation, prepare a vacuum palm or simply prepare himself when Neji decides to shunshin towards Sasuke.


I agree but if Sasuke decides to have a snake summon fight Neji, and Neji decides to take out the snake summon, Sasuke himself takes Neji out. No way Neji can defend himself from Sasuke while he himself is going on the offensive against his summons.

I have some extra time before I start my day bro, But don't expect much.

Eight Trigrams* Vacuum Palm (八卦空掌, Hakke Kuushou)
Taijutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Hyuuga Neji

Push the air and shoot it at enemy
A secret Hyuuga super-fast palm attack!!

Taking aim at the enemy's vitals and releasing an ultrahigh-speed palm thrust!!

A "vacuum shell" compressed using the "Gentle Fist" is shot out at the enemy's vitals under tremendous pressure!! A short to mid-range attack that more than covers the weakness of taijutsu

↓With the scope of the "Byakugan," the enemy's vitals can be precisely pinpointed!! The targeted enemy will be blown off their feet before they can even notice the impact.
[pictures of Neji using this technique and hitting Kisame]

*The Eight Trigrams (Bāguà in Chinese) come from Taoist cosmology and are closely related to the concept of Yin-Yang.

There is a Chinese martial art based on this concept: Bāguàzhǎng (八卦掌, Hakkeshou in Japanese), literally meaning "Eight Trigram Palm". It's an "internal" (nèijiā, 內家) martial art, like Tàijíquán.

The Hyuuga-style taijutsu is obviously based on this martial art. Not only is this evident from the names of their techniques, but also from the symbolism surrounding them. E.g. when Neji does the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, a Bāguà diagram appears beneath him.

Ultra high speed compressed chakra that will hit them before they even know it says Kishi. Just incase you do not know, it isnt made to do external damage. Vital organs are the target and with the amount of force behind it you will surely be knocked out or back. Kisame weights roughly Double the lbs as sasuke yet be was blown back as if a hurricane hit him. Kisame is much much much more durable then any form of sasuke! The forbidden Tech Pain used makes them exact copies with only the chakra being limited. The body down to there chakra nature was perfect, so that point is mute. Kisame also grabbed Samahadra after he was hit, and as we all know; Same'heals everything for Kisame. But that is neither here nor there.

The Vacuum palm wasn't even mentioned nor needed most the time, just because Sasuke can see the color (only) of chakra doesn't mean he can predict nor stop the chakra. And there is only Gate users and Hyugas who are able to move there arms so fast they can fire off Pressure in the form of Chakra/air/fire. That right their is beyond any hand speed shown in the manga no disputing.

Then you bring up speed as if they aren't the same with in the databook. Neji is faster then Deidara and Neji also has the Byakugan to sense chakra build up for any and all Shunshin attempts. So speed is Mute since they are equal and sasuke relies of ninjutsu to "Blitz".

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1. You didn't comprehend what the reason's and meanings behind the scans I showed you. The scans were to show Sasuke cannot predict Chakra period. Just because he can see it doesn't mean he can predict it. Vacuum palm will hit him if he doesn't dodge or is air born. The point of showing VOTE sasuke was to show the mechanics behind 3 tomoe, I can care less which form of sasuke it is, the 3 tomoe is a 3 tomoe. That is fact whether he is 50 or 16.

2. Weak argument that i did not expect from you.
a. Bee was not even an once serious the entire time. Fact he gave them plenty chances, Fact he didn't kill them off bat, Fact He didn't even use V2. I can say everything about bee letting them last longer then they did. That is the weakest argument sasuke fans use. As if him being 100% affects the opp being pitty with them. Not to mention later on they switched to say they will have to fight to kill... SMH... If you are saying 100% sasuke would have defeated a Blood lust serious bee, I'll just stop debating you here and now.

b. Itachi fleed, that isn't dodging or evading. Being backed up and then Fleeing isn't anything worth bragging about. If anything that shows Bee was too much for itachi that even he could't land a hit. Sasuke was doing fine exactly like Itachi was, and looked what happened when be decicded to go for the kill.

c. You overrate the **** out of chidori sharp spear its sad. That thing is easily evaded. Then you seem to think he can swing it faster then being hit with 32 strikes almost INSTANTLY??? Basically you're saying sasuke can swipe his spear so fast nothing is shown??? Link please!

Anything chakra related is seen through before it is expelled, neji will know every chakra related thing that will happen before it happens! Fact! He easily dodges the slow swiping motion of a long spear. It is nothing but lighting chakra, Neji can simply use chakra to block it, nothing serious.

3. It doesn't matter if it is a chidori sharp spear or a punch. I didn't want to say anything in your thread because you were debating, but now I will.

a. Everything you stated about the rotation is misinterpreted and wrong for the most part. A Kyubi ckakra enhanced punch or hit sent sasuke flying no diff, yet lost to a chakra shield of neji not rotating fully. It wasn't because he couldn't (because he did), it was because he was still in shock the power naruto gained. Not to mention this was part one neji. Part 2 neji tanked a juubis hand. Juubi hand force>>>>>>>>>>>Any form of Chidori. Period! It was also able to tank Spears from the juubi no diff. I'll further break your argument down, just post it again so i can go into further details.




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Chidori current isnt a physically damaging move. It is simply lighting chakra, simple. Neji can create a layer of chakra armor everytime to tank it. Neji will see Chidori current before sasuke uses it (fact). He doesn't have to rotate, but if he does, sauske is a sitting duck and will be basted away since he was in the middle of attempting a ninjutsu. And what you do not get with rotation is sad.

The chakra armor is what is used to stop all attacks, Spinning is what is used to repel them and or hit them with there own force!

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Releasing chakra from your body is instant for them! No question. Regular chidori lighting isnt getting past the chakra armor. Spinning is easy since they spin so fast instantly ony a blur is shown, this shows how fast there feet moves to achieve such feat. So the argument of rotation being slow is a myth. Again post your entire Rotation argument first so i can break it down and help you better understand the mechanics behind it and why kishi calls and shows it as an ultimate defense.

SHow a link of the sharingan seeing chakra build up? Show a link of the sharingan seeing the chakra network. You are sadly misinformed of the sharingan its sad bro. SHARINGAN CANNOT PREDICT CHAKRA BUILD UP! Fact! They only see the color.

And I cannot believe you did not understand What I showed with pics and broke down. smh

You do not have to be wrapped around them for them to release chakra. This is the most simple thing i list. IWHat part of anytime and every where from there body they can release chakra from don't you understand bro? I'll break it down yet again even simpler:

If i swing at you. You dodge. I then Unleash chakra from my Entire Arm and Body while I'm in swinging motion. Is that easy for you? Next I will show pictures and videos and even draw it out if you are still not getting it. The Zetsu thing was to show the range of the blast and the damage it caused. I literally said it so simple a person who has no idea what naruto is or what we are talking about got the gist of it.

And again, show a link or databook reference of the sharingan of any user being able to see chakra build up or the chakra network where chakra will be expelled in the body. Please show me a link, then I'll show you a link of the hyugas! You basically are saying they have the same feats as a sensor! Which isn't even close to true, i'll break it down the moment you disagree again.

Neji has the Byakugan, fighting with his back turned is what they do. And like i said, average snakes are dealt with no diff. Sasuke wouldn't even resort to that tactic after he see's the out come. I'm just waiting on a Manda argument so neji can go against the king!!! lol

All in all, nothing you stated is going to work and half of it is wrong with no manga proof behind it. I'm about to dip, so you'll have all day to counter me, don't rush it bro. Peace!

 

[Inert Brian]

The underrating of Hebi Sasuke is strong.

Sasuke's speed is ridiculous. Backed up by

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. Even Yamato, who's one of the strongest leaf Jonin comments on his speed. Find a scan of Neji speed blitzing Kisame clones of a 33% Kisame clone, oh wait there is none.

Sasuke's speed blitz remains consistent with

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scan, Deidara comments on his speed. Oh, and let me remind you that Deidara was the one who was evading attacks from Gai, Lee, and Neji while having no arms.

I could bring up summonings such as Aoba and Manda, but he doesn't need it against the likes of Neji. <- That settles the victory.

I could bring up Sharingan genjutsu which Deidara and Danzo both fell for clearly showing Sasuke's genjutsu skill. <- That settles the victory.

I could bring up Kirin which is BS if you think rotation can stop the best lightning jutsu in Naruto. <- That settles the victory.

Sasuke doesn't have to engage in actual hand to hand combat. Chidori stream will knock him down, Chidori Nagashi's activation speed is apparent in

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scan, he used it in the middle of throwing Naruto and Sai, Neji doesn't have enough time to get rotation off.

Neji hilariously got taken down by a Kisame clone of a 33% Kisame clone in water prison. Luckily he did break it, but the fact that he got caught...something that wouldn't happen to Hebi Sasuke so easily.

I'm not a Sasuke fanboy, but it's almost obvious Hebi would steamroll Part 2 Neji.

 

[Latios]

It looks like somebody brought out Text No Jutsu: Wall

 

[slimreaper]

1st one I guess..

Neji does not care to hurt sasuke Externally, Because that is not how the gental fist works:

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And Just so you know.. All of neji's attacks will hit the inside of Sasuke aiming for vital organs and key points! So basically the myth or idea you have about neji not getting over sasuke's Def in base or CM1/2 is Mute and now Null and void. Next!

We then have the notion or idea that Neji has to rotate to protect or stand a chance. lol Good joke! Neji will see and sense every move sasuke will attempt before he does it! With the byakugan anything chakra related is seen through the moment chakra is involved. I'll break it down shortly but first:

3 tomoe Precog or prediction is overrated and misunderstood in the sense that many users and noobs think it makes you invincible in CQC. That is also a myth and has been proven wrong with in the manga booku times. The sharingan cannot Predict chakra nor see chakra build up:

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And ofc the sharingan cannot predict and in most cases fast or unorthodox movements:

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Sasuke predicting the swords had nothing to do with if he was 100% or not. It's just like what Lee stated

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. Sasuke has been best in Taijutsu on plenty occasions so please do not think he is unbeatable in CQC when Neji has a better Taijutsu score and even speed with sasuke in the Databook (since you wanna bring it up).

Basically it would go like this:

Neji and sasuke engage CQC..

Sasuke attempts to predict and strike neji. Neji blocks teh Attack with Pure chakra Alone

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. Rotation isn't needed since the chakra can literally alter his fist and arm to aid in side stepping and counter attacking like

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. I will further explain later if necessary.

Then lets pretend sasuke does 1 of two things:

Defend with Chidori Current:
But wait neji will see th echakra build up in his chakra net work like

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. And once the chakra is build up for obv a ninjutsu Neji can switch to Defense and Rotate thus Canceling and overpowering Chidori Current. And it being able to tank a Juubi's Giant hand shows both the Defense power and offense power when hit by it

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. And keep in mind the power behind a Juubi's tail/hand.. Basically this will hurt sasuke greatly and he will get hit since it can happen instantly! Rotation+Chakra vision>Chidori Current!

Dodge and attempt a counter attack:
But wait yet again, Sasuke will attempt to do what he did with Naruto

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, And catch a similar fate. Full Body BLOW!!!

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Now also keep in mind this attack can blast chakra ACCURATELY from any and every part of his body! Basically it increases the range of all of neji's strikes if missed. Kind of like Naruto's Sage frog katas

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. But instead sasuke will be blasted with a shit load of chakra that destroyed durable Zetsu's body. Keep in mind Zetsu's Body is able to tank Kunai's and other ninja tools (metals is what im getting at), even Naruto's Absorbing Rasengan

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couldn't fully harm the zetsu body like neji did in a sense.

Basically every time sasuke dodges he will either get blocked or blasted! He is beat in CqC 100%! And I haven't even went into details on how it's 1000% useless in CQC with Neji or elite Hyuga. Remember; A hyuga does not have to touch you them self when there chakra was already planned for your inner body.. NEXT!


Snakes from body not summon are seen through with the Byakugan seeing chakra build up. Full body blow destroys any type of Binding with no diff.

Snake summons are simply dodged then destroyed with one hit/touch from the

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. They are nothing to fear nor worry about.

And please don't bring up the Mid range game that neji perfectly counters no diff! Anything else anyone would like to add?

to hurt sasuke's organs, neji would need to touch them. Sasuke can easily overpower neji, keeping him at a distance

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sasuke also fights with a sword. Neji wouldn't even make contact with sasuke's body without over powering him like killer bee did.

I love how you down play the precog of the sharingan, while wanking the precog of the byakugan.

the reason sasuke couldn't react to the chakra of the kyuubi, is because it didn't move like regular chakra. it moved like it was alive. Don't for a second think neji can duplicate this

sasuke would see neki emitting chakra everytime he does. Sasuke would see the movement of chakra to know every time neji was about to use a full body chakra attack, or just out of a palm.

You think neji sensing sasuke's moves would mean anything? unless neji moves or emitts chakra, the sharingan would just see his move before he makes it and allow a counter.
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sasuke predicting and reacting to the sword has everything to do with not being 100 percent, what an idiotic comment. Neji has nothing fast enough to best sasuke's eyes, and has no speed feats putting him on the level of sasuke.

funny how you think blocking the attack of part 1 naruto is gonna be able to stop chidori. the fight ends there but I move on

you say neji will counter nagashi by overpowering it with rotation. neji has to emit chaka and spin in the time it takes sasuke to emit chakra, not happening. Its not like sasuke would just be hit by the rotation, he can move while using chidori and can see the build up.

Unlike frog kata, sasuke can fully see this use of chakra and would counter. seriously you underestimate the sharingan.

I can make the same argument. Everytime neji tries to dodge a chidori sword, sasuke just sees the counter and extends the length of the attack gg.

this snake summon gives sasuke even more advantage in close combat

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this snake attacking while sasuke attacks, neji would probably dodge the snake, but sasuke would see this and attack where he was going. no manda.

sasuke wins easily unless you can show me how neji even touches sasuke. sasuke sees the " frog kata" and dodges. Overall it comes down to sasuke's range is greater than neji's and they are basically equals in CQC. sasuke mid diff

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It'd be a close fight but I'll give it to Sasuke,Neji can close the distance but Chidori Nagashi nullifies that close range advantage.

 

[Microsword57]

Does Sasuke not Blitz?

 

[fastrthnwind]

Not to mention the blitzing part. In the DB they both have a 4.5 in speed so no one is blitzing the other. Also one does not simply "overpower" a taijutsu master hyuuga genius in CQC by someone who only has a sharingan and above average taijutsu. It just doesn't work like that. Neji has all of the advantages in CQC and Sasuke has a greater mid range advantage, however, Neji has effective counters to all of Sasukes arsenal, because that's just his style. He is an ninja who can easily shut down a ninjutsu users ability to mould chakra and even move and proceeds to take them down from there with his GREATLY superior taijutsu.

BTW Kirin is a non actor just because sasuke doesn't have the prep time to use it while fighting. That jutsu besides the million paper bombs literally has the longest wind-up time to use in the entire manga.

 

[Haizaki]

Sharingan > Byakugan...therefore, Sasuke > Neji.

Doesn't make any sense
Rennigan> EMS
Therefore Nagato> EMS Madara?

 

[slimreaper]

Not to mention the blitzing part. In the DB they both have a 4.5 in speed so no one is blitzing the other. Also one does not simply "overpower" a taijutsu master hyuuga genius in CQC by someone who only has a sharingan and above average taijutsu. It just doesn't work like that. Neji has all of the advantages in CQC and Sasuke has a greater mid range advantage, however, Neji has effective counters to all of Sasukes arsenal, because that's just his style. He is an ninja who can easily shut down a ninjutsu users ability to mould chakra and even move and proceeds to take them down from there with his GREATLY superior taijutsu.

BTW Kirin is a non actor just because sasuke doesn't have the prep time to use it while fighting. That jutsu besides the million paper bombs literally has the longest wind-up time to use in the entire manga.

actually if you possess more power, yes you do. You wanna use databook speed, then Ill use databook strength comparison

neji-2.5

sasuke-3.5

sasuke has counters to neji's counters as i've already said.

replace this attack with chidori

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and we have a clear winner

 

[Conspirator.]

hebi sasuke was already low kage level-far above neji......

 

[fastrthnwind]

actually if you possess more power, yes you do. You wanna use databook speed, then Ill use databook strength comparison

neji-2.5

sasuke-3.5

sasuke has counters to neji's counters as i've already said.

replace this attack with chidori

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and we have a clear winner

no it is clearly stated in the databook parameters that speed is how fast your body can move. power is simply how physically strong you are. if that was the case, then the physically strongest person in the world would be the fastest person in the world (which he isnt)


and for your picture, chidori wouldn't penetrate a full kaiten that neji would no doubt use against his opponent of whom he would not underestimate like he did naruto. just in case you think he is fast enough to blitz.

 

[Microsword57]

Not to mention the blitzing part. In the DB they both have a 4.5 in speed so no one is blitzing the other. Also one does not simply "overpower" a taijutsu master hyuuga genius in CQC by someone who only has a sharingan and above average taijutsu. It just doesn't work like that. Neji has all of the advantages in CQC and Sasuke has a greater mid range advantage, however, Neji has effective counters to all of Sasukes arsenal, because that's just his style. He is an ninja who can easily shut down a ninjutsu users ability to mould chakra and even move and proceeds to take them down from there with his GREATLY superior taijutsu.

BTW Kirin is a non actor just because sasuke doesn't have the prep time to use it while fighting. That jutsu besides the million paper bombs literally has the longest wind-up time to use in the entire manga.

I do not use the "Databook," but from my understanding it does not consider Shunshin speed. Sasuke has already demonstrated he can Shunshin large distances faster than the eye can see[

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Neji gets Blitzed.​

 

[fastrthnwind]

I do not use the "Databook," but from my understanding it does not consider Shunshin speed. Sasuke has already demonstrated he can Shunshin large distances faster than the eye can see[

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], this makes for even less distance to cover depending on the starting distance of this match up which means Sasuke strikes Neji even faster than I posted in the scans when implementing his Chidori lance. It is already impossible for Neji to react to such speed, but in the case he makes a mistake which is impossible through the use of his Sharingan or Neji magically avoids, the Chidori Lance becomes[

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]and Neji is caught with one of the stems.

Neji gets Blitzed.​

the DB is a legitimate source created by kishi himself. The reason neji doesn't show similar feats in the manga is because he isn't a main character, and therefore developing his abilities will not contribute to the plot of the story. comparing the feats of a main character and a barely shown side character is not viable at that point.

 

[slimreaper]

the DB is a legitimate source created by kishi himself. The reason neji doesn't show similar feats in the manga is because he isn't a main character, and therefore developing his abilities will not contribute to the plot of the story. comparing the feats of a main character and a barely shown side character is not viable at that point.

the data book calls sasuke's speed god like. show me comments on neji's speed

 

[xcoyote]

Sasuke high diff.

 

[deadp00l]

I have a question, How can neji deal with a summon as big as manda, will someone explain?

 

[Conspirator.]

the DB is a legitimate source created by kishi himself. The reason neji doesn't show similar feats in the manga is because he isn't a main character, and therefore developing his abilities will not contribute to the plot of the story. comparing the feats of a main character and a barely shown side character is not viable at that point.

No, the DB is NOT a good source to use-especially for speed. The reason being that it doesn't take factors like sensing, sharingan precog etc into account. More importantly, it does NOT include shunshin speeds, which is very different to movement speeds. For example, sasuke outmanoeuvred deidara in their fight(deidara admitted sasuke's movements were "too fast") Yet the two of them both have 4.5s in the DB.

 

[fastrthnwind]

No, the DB is NOT a good source to use-especially for speed. The reason being that it doesn't take factors like sensing, sharingan precog etc into account. More importantly, it does NOT include shunshin speeds, which is very different to movement speeds. For example, sasuke outmanoeuvred deidara in their fight(deidara admitted sasuke's movements were "too fast") Yet the two of them both have 4.5s in the DB.

it doesnt matter if it doesnt take sensing or precog into account because it isnt directly related to their bodys movements, however, until you can prove that it doesnt take shunshin into account without using questionable sources or scans, than it cannot be stated that it doesnt take into account shunshin speeds because they are directly correlated to how fast the body can move. (and when i mean shunshin, i mean just the basic shunshin that everyone knows how to do.)

In the fight between sasuke and deidara, we all know that deidara cannot fight in cqc because his techniques require range since they are explosive in nature would run the risk of hurting himself, therefore, sasukes speed being able to keep up with him left him no other choice except to take to the skies where he would be much more safe to launch an attack.

 

[Conspirator.]

it doesnt matter if it doesnt take sensing or precog into account because it isnt directly related to their bodys movements, however, until you can prove that it doesnt take shunshin into account without using questionable sources or scans, than it cannot be stared that it doesnt take into account shunshin speeds because they are directly correlated to how fast the body can move.

In the fight between sasuke and deidara, we all know that deidara cannot fight in cqc because his techniques require range since they are explosive in nature would run the risk of hurting himself, therefore, sasukes speed being able to keep up with him left him no other choice except to take to the skies where he would be much more safe to launch an attack.

No,it's a fact that shunshin speeds aren't counted in the databook with regards to speed(it doesn't take any enhancements or jutsus into account). Under that dumb logic, kakashi,asuma,sasuke,deidara all have EXACTLY the same speeds, when it's clear that based on the manga it isn't the case. Like I said, the databook is both outdated and unreliable.