Part 1 Kimimaro vs Part 1 Sasuke

[Styles]

Naruto severely held back against Sasuke. Specially with 9tails chakra. I do think that one tail Naruto is superior to any known genin at that point including the sound 5

But he didn't tho. His KN0 form was stronger vs Sasuke and faster compared to Haku and Neji. His 1 tails form was insanely OP and even had Kurama's chakra acting on its own free will. Even then at that point Naruto couldn't even go over 1 tails let alone control over 1 tails until after and during his training with Jiraiya when he loosened the seal.

Based on wat? Ntn.
-Naruto could've murdered Sasuke at the start by using a simple kunai or rasengan. Naruto could've continued to pummel Sasuke's face in instead of tryning to reason , if he wanted. Naruto clearly held back.

:lol that's like saying Sasuke could have killed Naruto at any time during VOTE since he was kicking his ass from the beginning.


OT Kimi wins scenario 1. Scenario 2 hard to say tho kimi might win since he had CM mastery and Sasuke didn't.

 

[Ambivalence]

Based on wat? Ntn.
-Naruto could've murdered Sasuke at the start by using a simple kunai or rasengan. Naruto could've continued to pummel Sasuke's face in instead of tryning to reason , if he wanted. Naruto clearly held back.

:lol That's some pretty bad logic you got there, you and Kratos. It's painfully clear Sasuke left himself get punched up because he didn't care, plus to test out what kind of a difference the new powers made. If Naruto went for a kunai or Rasengan from the get go,

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would've just happened sooner. Same goes for that other page you posted.

You saying that nonsense is like me saying Sasuke could've just killed him at any time he was tossing him around like a ping pong ball, or could've swiftly decapitated him

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. But even if he tried that instead of looking down and staring, Naruto would've just completed his inner negotiations with Kurama sooner and saved himself.

I hope I'm getting the point across, but just in case you don't get it: that's how manga fights work. Fight, pause, rinse repeat. The pauses =/= character who had an advantage could've won right then and there, since the other gains something (usually a power up) to even it out or take the advantage for himself. If those pauses for dialogue or whatever didn't exist, then that table turning variable would've just happened in the nick of time. There are hundreds of examples in the manga where anyone can say what you said about a given fight, almost none of them are actually true. To make it even simpler: it's not over 'till it's over, and ''holding back'' is only in place if explicitly stated or shown.

A clear example is Naruto actually holding back in VoTE 2 before BPS came out, which was reaffirmed by both Naruto and Sasuke verbally. He did not, however, hold back in any way in VoTE 1. Try again.

OT: Kimimaro obviously mid-diffs Sasuke at his strongest (3T CS2). Any Sasuke below that version gets stomped.

 

[neosmith500]

:lol That's some pretty bad logic you got there, you and Kratos. It's painfully clear Sasuke let himself get punched up because he didn't care, plus to test out what kind of a difference the new powers made. If Naruto went for a kunai or Rasengan from the get go,

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would've just happened sooner. Same goes for that other page you posted.

You saying that nonsense is like me saying Sasuke could've just killed him at any time he was tossing him around like a ping pong ball, or could've swiftly decapitated him

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. But even if he tried that instead of looking down and staring, Naruto would've just completed his inner negotiations with Kurama sooner and saved himself.

I hope I'm getting the point across, but just in case you don't get it: that's how manga fights work. Fight, pause, rinse repeat. The pauses =/= character who had an advantage could've won right then and there, since the other gains something (usually a power up) to even it out or take the advantage for himself. If those pauses for dialogue or whatever didn't exist, then that table turning variable would've just happened in the nick of time. There are hundreds of examples in the manga where anyone can say what you said about a given fight, almost none of them are actually true. To make it even simpler: it's not over 'till it's over, and ''holding back'' is only in place if explicitly stated or shown.

A clear example is Naruto actually holding back in VoTE 2 before BPS came out, which was reaffirmed by both Naruto and Sasuke verbally. He did not, however, hold back in any way in VoTE 1. Try again.

OT: Kimimaro obviously mid-diffs Sasuke at his strongest (3T CS2). Any Sasuke below that version gets stomped.

LOL Try to understand the stance before going off about logic especially with the bold:lol. This isn't about using rasengan or kunai from the get go , nor is it about their overall powers. It's about Naruto not having any intension of ending Sasuke , It's regarding the fact that KN0 was swift enough to bypass 2T Sasuke's reactions to the point where he could continuously tag him with any kind of attack he chooses , be it kunai or punches and 2T Sasuke couldn't do a thing but take it since KN0 was too fast and powerful for him as per manga.

Now within that context are u telling me KN0 couldn't of murdered 2T Sasuke with either a kunai , punch to the skull or rasengan finish here?

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Obviously he could since he had just outperformed Sasuke to the point where he had him stomped and stunned. Clearly Naruto wasn't trying to actually mangle Sasuke here. The above scan clearly shows him telling Sasuke that he'll actually start to mangle him if he doesn't give up and in case u don't get it , this means he could've been doing so from the start but was clearly holding back from doing so for obvious reasons. This is why he gave Sasuke a chance to stop before he actually tries to really seriously crush him.:lol

:|Now that leads into my point , would KN0 Naruto have any chance of doing this to base Kimi? No because manga made it obvious. Could KN0 do this to 2T Sasuke? Clearly. 3T Sasuke was clearly superior to KN0 and had him completely beat to the point where he clearly could've killed him , Naruto likely using KN1 sooner is irrelvant in correlation to 3T Sasuke being able to kill KN0 at that point. He clearly could've just as KN0 could've easily killed 2T Sasuke.
Shocked that you completely missed my stance since we always had good convos in the past , but lets see how it ends.

B]:lol that's like saying Sasuke could have killed Naruto at any time during VOTE since he was kicking his ass from the beginning.[/B]


OT Kimi wins scenario 1. Scenario 2 hard to say tho kimi might win since he had CM mastery and Sasuke didn't.

Addressed.

 

[Ambivalence]

LOL Try to understand the stance before going off about logic especially with the bold:lol. This isn't about using rasengan or kunai from the get go , nor is it about their overall powers. It's about Naruto not having any intension of ending Sasuke , It's regarding the fact that KN0 was swift enough to bypass 2T Sasuke's reactions to the point where he could continuously tag him with any kind of attack he chooses , be it kunai or punches and 2T Sasuke couldn't do a thing but take it since KN0 was too fast and powerful for him as per manga.

Now within that context are u telling me KN0 couldn't of murdered 2T Sasuke with either a kunai , punch to the skull or rasengan finish here?

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Obviously he could since he had just outperformed Sasuke to the point where he had him stomped and stunned. Clearly Naruto wasn't trying to actually mangle Sasuke here. The above scan clearly shows him telling Sasuke that he'll actually start to mangle him if he doesn't give up and in case u don't get it , this means he could've been doing so from the start but was clearly holding back from doing so for obvious reasons. This is why he gave Sasuke a chance to stop before he actually tries to really seriously crush him.:lol

:|Now that leads into my point , would KN0 Naruto have any chance of doing this to base Kimi? No because manga made it obvious. Could KN0 do this to 2T Sasuke? Clearly. 3T Sasuke was clearly superior to KN0 and had him completely beat to the point where he clearly could've killed him , Naruto likely using KN1 sooner is irrelvant in correlation to 3T Sasuke being able to kill KN0 at that point. He clearly could've just as KN0 could've easily killed 2T Sasuke.
Shocked that you completely missed my stance since we always had good convos in the past , but lets see how it ends.

How could you completely miss my point even when I simplified it to the extent that I did? None of this is relevant. You just pick a random point of the fight and make up shit as if you hadn't read the rest of the fight and are incapable of making simple conclusions. The scan you base your entire point off of wouldn't even have been reached if instead of Sasuke grabbing Naruto by the neck in the scan I posted and knocking him back to the water below, he opted to instead shove a kunai through it, since you know: ''hurr, CS Sasuke > Base Naruto''. I mean, what? And that's not even the only instance where Naruto wouldn't even have come to KN0. Just before the other scan I posted, Sasuke had ran through him with a Chidori, which Naruto regenerated after he gained Kurama's chakra. So do you see me sitting here, saying he could've just clipped his head instead and Naruto would go bye bye? Nope. Sure Naruto could've charged with a killing move, but would it have actually killed Sasuke? Again, no. It doesn't matter that KN0 Naruto > 2T Sasuke, something that you don't need to stress in needlessly long paragraphs since I already know this, because that wasn't when the fight was gonna end, regardless of whether he charged with a kunai or whatever since Sasuke had more to his arsenal than just that 2T - if he did, Sasuke would've awakened 3T right then and there, countered and proceeded to push him around. That's how this stuff works, and that's what I've been trying to explain to you.

I'm also not arguing about Kimimaro vs Naruto and how that correlates to Kimimaro vs Sasuke and Naruto vs Sasuke, since it's clear as day Sasuke cannot beat Kimi and that Naruto and Sasuke just took turns of one-upping one another with their respective powerups.

And let's not even gloss over the fact that Sasuke decided to change the remainder of his Chidori into a fist at the last second during the final clash, meaning he could have killed Naruto for real. Just stop with the holding back nonsense, shit is so weak.

 

[neosmith500]

How could you completely miss my point even when I simplified it to the extent that I did? None of this is relevant. You just pick a random point of the fight and make up shit as if you hadn't read the rest of the fight and are incapable of making simple conclusions.

Random part of the fight? No shit , im specifically talking about the Kn0 Vs 2T Sasuke part. This isn't about Naruto Vs Sasuke full fight. What shit did i make up? The part where Naruto is clearly telling 2T Sasuke that he'll mangle him if he doesn't stop? Clearly showing that he wasn't trying to do so before warning Sasuke that he'll do so if he doesn't stop. Or are u talking about the part where Kn0 was speed blitzing him and clearly could've killed him without 2T Sasuke being able to stop it? Oh i forgot that "it's painfully clear 2T Sasuke let himself get punched up by KN0 because he didn't care"

The scan you base your entire point off of wouldn't even have been reached if instead of Sasuke grabbing Naruto by the neck in the scan I posted and knocking him back to the water below, he opted to instead shove a kunai through it, since you know: ''hurr, CS Sasuke > Base Naruto''. I mean, what? And that's not even the only instance where Naruto wouldn't even have come to KN0. Just before the other scan I posted, Sasuke had ran through him with a Chidori, which Naruto regenerated after he gained Kurama's chakra. So do you see me sitting here, saying he could've just clipped his head instead and Naruto would go bye bye? Nope. Sure Naruto could've charged with a killing move, but would it have actually killed Sasuke? Again, no. It doesn't matter that KN0 Naruto > 2T Sasuke, something that you don't need to stress in needlessly long paragraphs since I already know this, because that wasn't when the fight was gonna end, regardless of whether he charged with a kunai or whatever since Sasuke had more to his arsenal than just that 2T - if he did, Sasuke would've awakened 3T right then and there, countered and proceeded to push him around. That's how this stuff works, and that's what I've been trying to explain to you.

All irrelevant. Naruto maybe not getting to that point is irrelevant to the situtaion in question. Sasuke having chances to go for kills is irrelevant. Sasuke clearly had the advantage there and a good chance to attempt killing Naruto when he had him by the neck , yet it has ntn to do with KN0 bein fully capable of easily killing 2T Sasuke if he went all out with his initial assualt as Sasuke could do absolutely ntn to stop it if he had the intension.

Could 2T Sasuke have stopped Kn0 from killing him? No because he could barely even follow Naruto and was getting blitzed back to back until 3T. 3T Sasuke himself could've killed KN0 after he beat him to the point where he couldn't even stand. KN0 could do ntn and was completely helpless. How the fight ended is irrelevant to that fact , Naruto going KN1 is irrelavant to that fact.

Why would KN0 Naruto have failed to kill 2T Sasuke if he went for a kill move? 2T Sasuke would all of a sudden be able to keep up with him and would've dodged all the hits that tagged him + the kill move? clearly not. Sasuke could've unlocked 3T when it was hinted that the talk with Naruto helped him unlock it? That all irrelavnt in regards to 2T Sasuke Vs KN0 which is what i've been trying to explain to u was my stance.

I'm also not arguing about Kimimaro vs Naruto and how that correlates to Kimimaro vs Sasuke and Naruto vs Sasuke, since it's clear as day Sasuke cannot beat Kimi and that [/B]Naruto and Sasuke just took turns of one-upping one another with their respective powerups.
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And let's not even gloss over the fact that Sasuke decided to change the remainder of his Chidori into a fist at the last second during the final clash, meaning he could have killed Naruto for real. Just stop with the holding back nonsense, shit is so weak.

Bold is my stance. Naruto and Sasuke took turns one-upping each other and Kn0 as per manga one-upped 2T Sasuke completly. Blitzed him and made sure to tell Sasuke to give up before he actually starts trashing him. Went all out with clone army against Kimi , yet got no diffed.

- Ur clearly talking about the complete battle which is irrelevant. Gloss over? I was never referring to the whole fight so why would i include CS2 Vs Kn1 clash? Besides , Naruto decided to mark his head-band instead of attacking , but that doesn't matter as it's irrelevant to KN0 Vs 2T Sasuke and if KN0 could've killed him and held back which is wat ur arguing against.

Shit is weak yet we have Naruto telling him that he'll crush him if he doesn't stop. Giving Sasuke a chance to stop , before it gets to that point . But yea Naruto never held back at all there.

 

[UnderTheRedHood]

<div class="bbWrapper">Sasuke with 3T wins</div>

 

[Mori Jin]

Kimimaro wins both rounds. Has to actually try, in the 2nd round, But will win nonetheless.

 

[King Of Pop]

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=neosmith500;21738928]Random part of the fight? No shit , im specifically talking about the Kn0 Vs 2T Sasuke part. This isn't about Naruto Vs Sasuke full fight. What shit did i make up? The part where Naruto is clearly telling 2T Sasuke that he'll mangle him if he doesn't stop? Clearly showing that he wasn't trying to do so before warning Sasuke that he'll do so if he doesn't stop. Or are u talking about the part where Kn0 was speed blitzing him and clearly could've killed him without 2T Sasuke being able to stop it? Oh i forgot that "it's painfully clear 2T Sasuke let himself get punched up by KN0 because he didn't care"





All irrelevant. Naruto maybe not getting to that point is irrelevant to the situtaion in question. Sasuke having chances to go for kills is irrelevant. Sasuke clearly had the advantage there and a good chance to attempt killing Naruto when he had him by the neck , yet it has ntn to do with KN0 bein fully capable of easily killing 2T Sasuke if he went all out with his initial assualt as Sasuke could do absolutely ntn to stop it if he had the intension.

Could 2T Sasuke have stopped Kn0 from killing him? No because he could barely even follow Naruto and was getting blitzed back to back until 3T. 3T Sasuke himself could've killed KN0 after he beat him to the point where he couldn't even stand. KN0 could do ntn and was completely helpless. How the fight ended is irrelevant to that fact , Naruto going KN1 is irrelavant to that fact.

Why would KN0 Naruto have failed to kill 2T Sasuke if he went for a kill move? 2T Sasuke would all of a sudden be able to keep up with him and would've dodged all the hits that tagged him + the kill move? clearly not. Sasuke could've unlocked 3T when it was hinted that the talk with Naruto helped him unlock it? That all irrelavnt in regards to 2T Sasuke Vs KN0 which is what i've been trying to explain to u was my stance.



Bold is my stance. Naruto and Sasuke took turns one-upping each other and Kn0 as per manga one-upped 2T Sasuke completly. Blitzed him and made sure to tell Sasuke to give up before he actually starts trashing him. Went all out with clone army against Kimi , yet got no diffed.

- Ur clearly talking about the complete battle which is irrelevant. Gloss over? I was never referring to the whole fight so why would i include CS2 Vs Kn1 clash? Besides , Naruto decided to mark his head-band instead of attacking , but that doesn't matter as it's irrelevant to KN0 Vs 2T Sasuke and if KN0 could've killed him and held back which is wat ur arguing against.

Shit is weak yet we have Naruto telling him that he'll crush him if he doesn't stop. Giving Sasuke a chance to stop , before it gets to that point . But yea Naruto never held back at all there.

You are completely missing his point. He is not saying 2t sasuke isn't inferior to Kno nor is he saying sasuke can prevent himself from getting killed by Kno solely with 2t alone. No, rather if naruto did indeed decide to go for the kill with rasengan or kunai or whatever then sasuke would have simply gone 3t faster and countered, that's how it is. He had levels to reach that goes beyond his capabilities at 2t level so he is obviously not going to die before using those levels. Saying naruto held back because he didn't use x or y to kill is basically saying CS sasuke held back because he didn't slash naruto's throat when he held him up, or 3t sasuke held back because he didn't stab naruto head before the latter got back up. If sasuke did indeed do that, naruto would have gone Kn1 faster and countered. Get it?

Fact is they each had abilities that one upped the other at certain points in the fight and if at any point one was in danger of getting killed when they were on the losing end, then such abilities would have been used faster than when they actually showed in canon.

 

[neosmith500]

You are completely missing his point. He is not saying 2t sasuke isn't inferior to Kno nor is he saying sasuke can prevent himself from getting killed by Kno solely with 2t alone. No, rather if naruto did indeed decide to go for the kill with rasengan or kunai or whatever then sasuke would have simply gone 3t faster and countered, that's how it is. He had levels to reach that goes beyond his capabilities at 2t level so he is obviously not going to die before using those levels. Saying naruto held back because he didn't use x or y to kill is basically saying CS sasuke held back because he didn't slash naruto's throat when he held him up, or 3t sasuke held back because he didn't stab naruto head before the latter got back up. If sasuke did indeed do that, naruto would have gone Kn1 faster and countered. Get it?

Fact is they each had abilities that one upped the other at certain points in the fight and if at any point one was in danger of getting killed when they were on the losing end, then such abilities would have been used faster than when they actually showed in canon.

I'm not missing his point and ur bold and post shows the root of the misunderstanding. He's actually missing my point.
-Sasuke going 3t faster and countering is irrelevant to KN0 being able to kill 2T Sasuke in his initial assault and the fact that he held back with that assault to give Sasuke a chance to give up before he really goes to town and tries to crush him. Naruto says this himself which is why i said he held back there because he pretty much says it.

3T Sasuke Vs KN0 is the perfect example. Sasuke beat him to the point where he couldn't get up , so my stance is that 3T Sasuke clearly could've killed him because KN0 could do ntn to stop it , couldn't even move. Naruto going KN1 faster doesn't change that fact , but instead shows that KN1 was needed because KN0 was in a prime position to get killed. I'm not saying Sasuke would be successful , but more so that w/o KN1 , Sasuke had KN0 beat and could've killed him if the fight was just KN0 Vs 3T.

My focus is on KN0 Vs 2T Sasuke not the whole fight. KN0 Could blitz and do whatever he wanted with 2T and thats the point.

 

[King Of Pop]

I'm not missing his point and ur bold and post shows the root of the misunderstanding. He's actually missing my point.
-Sasuke going 3t faster and countering is irrelevant to KN0 being able to kill 2T Sasuke in his initial assault and the fact that he held back with that assault to give Sasuke a chance to give up before he really goes to town and tries to crush him. Naruto says this himself which is why i said he held back there because he pretty much says it.

3T Sasuke Vs KN0 is the perfect example. Sasuke beat him to the point where he couldn't get up , so my stance is that 3T Sasuke clearly could've killed him because KN0 could do ntn to stop it , couldn't even move. Naruto going KN1 faster doesn't change that fact , but instead shows that KN1 was needed because KN0 was in a prime position to get killed. I'm not saying Sasuke would be successful , but more so that w/o KN1 , Sasuke had KN0 beat and could've killed him if the fight was just KN0 Vs 3T.

My focus is on KN0 Vs 2T Sasuke not the whole fight.

I think the whole thing started because you asserted naruto held back using the logic of him not doing x and y when he had the chance to which that logic would also mean one can say sasuke held back because he didn't do the equivalent to Kno when he had the advantage? or prior to Kno when he had the advantage against base naruto? but it would be wrong to say he held back obviously using that logic so same should apply to naruto.

But that panel of naruto saying he would crush sasuke if he doesn't stop helps your case so yea I guess you have a point if talking about solely kno vs 2t as you have indicated at bold. And yes, if sasuke counters with 3t then it's no longer 2t and vice versa with kn1 and kn0 so you are right there.

 

[neosmith500]

I think the whole thing started because you asserted naruto held back using the logic of him not doing x and y when he had the chance to which that logic would also mean one can say sasuke held back because he didn't do the equivalent to Kno when he had the advantage? or prior to Kno when he had the advantage against base naruto? but it would be wrong to say he held back obviously using that logic so same should apply to naruto.

But that panel of naruto saying he would crush sasuke if he doesn't stop helps your case so yea I guess you have a point if talking about solely kno vs 2t as you have indicated at bold.

Yea i knew it was a bad misunderstanding which is why i stressed to keep by stance clear to no avail until now. The bold was my stance from the start and i'm happy u were able to get it.

KN0 tells Sasuke that he'll mangle him if he doesn't stop , clearly showing that he wasn't trying to do so before warning 2T Sasuke that he'll do so if he doesn't stop. If KN0 wanted to crush him from the start then 2T could do ntn but get negged.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Kimmimaro wins both.

 

[Unorthodox]

Kimimaro is much faster than Sasuke so saying that Sasuke would blitz him is absurd. And the 3T was shown to fail against unorthodox fighting styles so I can't see how Sasuke would be able to react to Kimi's Shikotsumyaku. Kimimaro clearly takes this.

Kimmi does not fight Unorthodox so that point is flawed af.

If its 3t Sasuke vsBase kimi he mops

 

[Unorthodox]

-Naruto could've murdered Sasuke at the start by using a simple kunai or rasengan.

Naruto didnt use a single rasengan on Kimmi.

Also Kimmi has a mele capable of 1 shotted his clones plus at a time he need to sprout bones from his entire body to stop an attack far from raw cqc.

 

[neosmith500]

Naruto didnt use a single rasengan on Kimmi.

Also Kimmi has a mele capable of 1 shotted his clones plus at a time he need to sprout bones from his entire body to stop an attack far from raw cqc.

Irrelevant. Had KN0 decided to go for a Rasengan on panel , Kimi would've still stomped because Kn0 especially w/o his clone army , is ntn for base Kimi to deal with.

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Also irrelevant. Kimi only used his Kkg from his whole body after already stomping the army for a good while beforehand.

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[Carpchonay]

But he didn't tho. His KN0 form was stronger vs Sasuke and faster compared to Haku and Neji. His 1 tails form was insanely OP and even had Kurama's chakra acting on its own free will. Even then at that point Naruto couldn't even go over 1 tails let alone control over 1 tails until after and during his training with Jiraiya when he loosened the seal.



:lol that's like saying Sasuke could have killed Naruto at any time during VOTE since he was kicking his ass from the beginning.


OT Kimi wins scenario 1. Scenario 2 hard to say tho kimi might win since he had CM mastery and Sasuke didn't.

He asked you based on what and you deflected. In other words, you have no logical argument. And you said "stopped reading at bold" to a previous post. You are just on here to talk shit and nobody is going to take what you have to seriously.

So either answer his question "based on what?" or gtfo loser.

P.S. Kimi destroys in both scenarios. The Sasuke faps can go suck him off to cheer him up after both losses.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

2T Sasuke loses badly, 3T Sasuke wins extreme high diff. With 3T he can dodge many attacks from Kimimaro