Part 1 Hashirama and Tobirama are Jonin level

[Belserion]

Agreed?

Before you call me crazy. They were pretty slow and their taijutsu kinda sucked. I do know Orochimaru revived them really weak so he could control them but their overall performance was kinda dull. Hashirama's Mokuton wasn't really better than Yamato's to that time as well.

 

[minamoto]

i'll give u a minamoto advice...when u have a good thread do not post it when boruto spoilers (or whole chapter) is released..why?? becuz it will lose focus...everyone will like discuss boruto spoilers and chapter instead..

 

[Belserion]

i'll give u a minamoto advice...when u have a good thread do not post it when boruto spoilers (or whole chapter) is released..why?? becuz it will lose focus...everyone will like discuss boruto spoilers and chapter instead..

Thanks for teh...??????!!!!!!???

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

I don't think so. Hashirama used a very powerful genjutsu which is said to be unbreakable by conventional methods.

He demonstrated Wood Release (It's all about context. There was no Yamato at that point) which was considered a mystical and legendary ability as well

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He even managed to conjure a considerable amount of wood and trap Hiruzen with it

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Tobirama performed a feat which was deemed to be of a very high level at that point in the manga by creating vast amounts of water with no nearby source.

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He also easily countered Hiruzen's Fire Style (which he should have Kage level proficiency in) with his Water Style.

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And all this was at, like you said, a portion of their power

They were relatively unimpressive, yeah. But they did pretty good

 

[Uverdore9]

Tobirama was more impressive in his nerfed form.


War Re-incarnation literally trashed the essence of his character.


Hashirama looked huge ass stronk tho. :lol

 

[Umari Senju]

well yeah....but it was part 1. To show their full power or even what they had during the war would have thrown the entire series, power scale off kilter. No one would have won, the Leaf would have been destroyed...the end.

 

[Sagebee]

It's likely oro still didn't perfect eso summons so they might of not came back with their full powers

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yeah they're about jonin level, have high grade (B rank + ninjutsu) good thaijutsu prowess. What you'd expect of Jonin + they have elemental affinity.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The jonins that were watching said that it was a high kage level fight. That was not jonin level.
If you’re watching the anime, don’t pay too much attention to those fillers because Tobirama and Hashirama didn’t use Taijutsu really at all in the manga.

Hashirama also used Deep Emergency Forest and no average jonin is beating that jutsu.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The jonins that were watching said that it was a high kage level fight. That was not jonin level.
If you’re watching the anime, don’t pay too much attention to those fillers because Tobirama and Hashirama didn’t use Taijutsu really at all in the manga.

Hashirama also used Deep Emergency Forest and no average jonin is beating that jutsu.

Using B rank techs and above would be considered Kage level especially water wall where there is no water. Orochimaru praised it as expected of a kage in other words it's a big thing. Even part two being able to use multiple natures at B rank was considered exceptional by kakashi (Kakazu fight). Then you have Boruto of the new gen able to spit out water like it's nothing, add wind to his Rasengan(A rank tech +) without even trying and people wonder why I have a high dislike for him.

Ignoring my rant you're right.

 

[neosmith500]

Na. Still in that Kage tier..

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Using B rank techs and above would be considered Kage level especially water wall where there is no water. Orochimaru praised it as expected of a kage in other words it's a big thing. Even part two being able to use multiple natures at B rank was considered exceptional by kakashi (Kakazu fight). Then you have Boruto of the new gen able to spit out water like it's nothing, add wind to his Rasengan(A rank tech +) without even trying and people wonder why I have a high dislike for him.

Ignoring my rant you're right.

Haha I was about to say. Deep emergency forest isn’t a B rank move, it’s a bloodline limit and secret art that cover all ranges (close, mid, long, and supplementary).
Unless you’re talking about Tobirama’s jutsu?
Because even Mei was using the same level attacks against Madara, and his water style was stronger in part 1 than it was in part 2 war arc.
Even Madara’s fire style jutsus were all or almost all B rank jutsus during the war arc too.

I guess it’s the work art that make it appear underwhelming?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Haha I was about to say. Deep emergency forest isn’t a B rank move, it’s a bloodline limit and secret art that cover all ranges (close, mid, long, and supplementary).
Unless you’re talking about Tobirama’s jutsu?
Because even Mei was using the same level attacks against Madara, and his water style was stronger in part 1 than it was in part 2 war arc.
Even Madara’s fire style jutsus were all or almost all B rank jutsus during the war arc too.

I guess it’s the work art that make it appear underwhelming?

I'm excluding deep forest, if it was ranked it would be A+.

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I was pointing to the fact that somebody can generate water where there isn't any and use it for jutsu. Also Kakashi's statement about nature transformation rarity and jonin usually having two, espwcially when he fights Kakazu who's using B rank jutsu. The strength of it isn't an issue I expect people can adjust the strength. Stronger people being able to generate stronger versions of jutsu is a given. However a little punk ass kid( king of ass pulls) generating water cheapens everything kishi told us and gave us. That also being the 3rd nature he acquires pre chunin exam.

 

[KidGamer65]

They were literally stated to be Kage level. :lol

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

yup. they were crazy weak compared to even early shippuden akatsuki members.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I don't think so. Hashirama used a very powerful genjutsu which is said to be unbreakable by conventional methods.

He demonstrated Wood Release (It's all about context. There was no Yamato at that point) which was considered a mystical and legendary ability as well

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He even managed to conjure a considerable amount of wood and trap Hiruzen with it

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Tobirama performed a feat which was deemed to be of a very high level at that point in the manga by creating vast amounts of water with no nearby source.

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He also easily countered Hiruzen's Fire Style (which he should have Kage level proficiency in) with his Water Style.

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And all this was at, like you said, a portion of their power

They were relatively unimpressive, yeah. But they did pretty good

This.

 

[Offpanel]

They are certainly weaker, but still more impressive than mere jonin.

 

[kiiro]

Maybe physical abilities yes but they still have Hokage level skill.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm excluding deep forest, if it was ranked it would be A+.

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I was pointing to the fact that somebody can generate water where there isn't any and use it for jutsu. Also Kakashi's statement about nature transformation rarity and jonin usually having two, espwcially when he fights Kakazu who's using B rank jutsu. The strength of it isn't an issue I expect people can adjust the strength. Stronger people being able to generate stronger versions of jutsu is a given. However a little punk ass kid( king of ass pulls) generating water cheapens everything kishi told us and gave us. That also being the 3rd nature he acquires pre chunin exam.

I think it has something to do with the next generation will surpass the previous bullshit but I guess that's what you call a "genius," right?
Kakashi was the same thing as Boruto you know. Some punk ass kid who was 13 years old and in the same ranking as his Sensei Minato who was about 24 year old at the time. Create a flesh activating technique that makes you thrust instantly and change in shape to one of the highest levels, on top of that he gets implanted a sharingan on top of all that. Not even counting the Hatake clan and whatever they do (assuming white chakra blade).
But eventually people surpassed Kakashi and we started seeing feats that were completely ridiculous while Kakashi momentarily plateaued.
See Boruto as Kakashi right now, eventually all that ridiculous feats would get overshadowed eventually. Gaara was even worse than Boruto in part one too. He knew how to transform into his full biju at will despite not having full control, the only other person we've seen done that is Yugito Nii and she's an adult. Gaara had magnetic release, the best record to complete the chuunin exam, and went from genin to kage within 3 years.
We're not looking at some loser with no potential overcome all odds, we're looking at a genius learning to gain more sympathy to those around him