[Spoilers] Paramount War scenario

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

Okay guys first off if you haven't seen the war yet DO NOT READ THIS AT ALL MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS HERE!

Now that that's out of the way. Here is the scenario.

If during the paramoutn war...WHAT IF luffy arrived with his crew along with the Whitebeard Pirates but they were all at Post time skip levels? ONLY The straw hats are post time skip. I know that this couldnt happene because of plot and everything but still...Im very curious what everyone thinks
Everything is the same, but lets just say for the sake of the debate here that Emporio Ivankov gave like everyone an energy hormone before they left, no one is poisoned now and everyone is how luffy was when they entered the war. This means that Crocodile, Jinbei, Buggy, Mr 3, Etc and the Straw Hats come from the sky.


Would Luffy get the scar?
Would they save ACE?
Would Whitebeard Die?
Would Any Straw Hats die?
Who fights who?
Do the Admirals fall?
Does Blackbeard get killed by ace if he gets free along with Luffy?
What happens?
BONUS, would the war last much longer so that the Red hair pirates get here in the middle of everything and join in?


I wanna hear everything people think

 

[Passerby]

No plot restrictions?

The 3 Admirals use awakening and destroy Whitebeard + his crew.

Mihawk stomps the Straw Hats.

Blackbeard Pirate appear and gets massacred by the 3 Admirals.

Shanks appears as well and gets massacred by the 3 Admirals + Sengoku and Garp.

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

No plot restrictions?

The 3 Admirals use awakening and destroy Whitebeard + his crew.

Mihawk stomps the Straw Hats.

Blackbeard Pirate appear and gets massacred by the 3 Admirals.

Shanks appears as well and gets massacred by the 3 Admirals + Sengoku and Garp.

Yes no plot restrictions...but um you seem to be jumping on some random bandwagon...

Where is it stated they have awakened anything...

The WB Pirates AND WB himself are not fodder and would likely be fine and could do the same.

Shanks

I think mihawk would be handled fine by Zoro and Vista IF they even had to work together....and Shanks crew would likely be fine by themselves with the straw hats


Also since we are being absurd here...WhiteBeard just uses his Devil fruit and sinks the island and oars pulls ace from the water...then the navy is dead...

 

[Tomato God]

Depends if he gets to the tower in the same time. Cause post skip Luffy wouldn't be a burden for ace. White beard still dies because he knew he was going in
imo if white beard dies ace would go back for him and die too. But would they rescue him probably.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Ace lives, Whitebeard still dies. Most of the Shichibukai were casually fighting their opponents and the admirals, Akainu aside, were mostly on standby. They'd be more of a target if they had their current power, but if pre-timeskip Luffy could reach Ace(plot armor was sooo strong), then post-timeskip Luffy can rescue Ace as well. Jinbei fended off Akainu(at the cost of his arm burning), so I think Luffy could fend off Akainu until Whitebeard puts him 50 meters under or use his observation and take Ace away against his will.

Chopper dies because no one is going to ignore the giant monster.

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

Im still not convinced..I wouldn't be so sure that Whitebeard has to even get involved at this point

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm confused as to why people say WB would still die when the OP said no sickness and the sickness was the biggest factor in his defeat.

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

I did not say that WB was not sick...i said no one is poisoned...Whitebeard was just old and worn out from his long life

 

[chopstickchakra]

I did not say that WB was not sick...i said no one is poisoned...Whitebeard was just old and worn out from his long life

I misinterpreted then, I thought you were implying everyone on Luffy's side would be at their best. If WB's still sick then yeah he'd likely still die.

 

[Sakazuki]

Yes no plot restrictions...but um you seem to be jumping on some random bandwagon...

Where is it stated they have awakened anything...

The WB Pirates AND WB himself are not fodder and would likely be fine and could do the same.

Shanks

I think mihawk would be handled fine by Zoro and Vista IF they even had to work together....and Shanks crew would likely be fine by themselves with the straw hats


Also since we are being absurd here...WhiteBeard just uses his Devil fruit and sinks the island and oars pulls ace from the water...then the navy is dead...

No plot restrictions? So they don't have to worry about hq falling? So they can turn the entire island into lava if they want(excluding the ground Marines are on)? Well there goes 80% of every body

 

[Sakazuki]

Ace lives, Whitebeard still dies. Most of the Shichibukai were casually fighting their opponents and the admirals, Akainu aside, were mostly on standby. They'd be more of a target if they had their current power, but if pre-timeskip Luffy could reach Ace(plot armor was sooo strong), then post-timeskip Luffy can rescue Ace as well. Jinbei fended off Akainu(at the cost of his arm burning), so I think Luffy could fend off Akainu until Whitebeard puts him 50 meters under or use his observation and take Ace away against his will.

Chopper dies because no one is going to ignore the giant monster.

Nobody has fended off akainu, getting hurt doesn't count, he pushed jinbei back, burning his arm, he pushed marco back burning and actually hurting him, and proceeded to punch holes through jinbei and whitebeard and ace

The only person who has is wb and even then it took wbs gura punch, which akainu still stalemated

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

Nobody has fended off akainu, getting hurt doesn't count, he pushed jinbei back, burning his arm, he pushed marco back burning and actually hurting him, and proceeded to punch holes through jinbei and whitebeard and ace

The only person who has is wb and even then it took wbs gura punch, which akainu still stalemated

\Im afraid that's jut not true... Whitbeard was not having ANY difficulty AT all with him until his sickness hit him...then he fell the ground and Akainu took advantage...

Don't oversell things dude...he put a hole in Jinbei and Ace ONLY because they were protecting luffy AND had their backs turned

Whitebeard legitimately DEMOLISHED him on his deathbed when he was enraged and not on his knees... while akainu is always enraged

He also did NOT do fatal or ANY lasting damage to marco at all...

ALSO if theres no plot restrictions Marines lose...Whitbeard sinks marineford and 0 pirates are killed...i meant like where main charcaters could die

 

[Sakazuki]

\Im afraid that's jut not true... Whitbeard was not having ANY difficulty AT all with him until his sickness hit him...then he fell the ground and Akainu took advantage...

Don't oversell things dude...he put a hole in Jinbei and Ace ONLY because they were protecting luffy AND had their backs turned

Whitebeard legitimately DEMOLISHED him on his deathbed when he was enraged and not on his knees... while akainu is always enraged

He also did NOT do fatal or ANY lasting damage to marco at all...

ALSO if theres no plot restrictions Marines lose...Whitbeard sinks marineford and 0 pirates are killed...i meant like where main charcaters could die

White beard tried to and failed at sinking marine ford. Oda stated whitebeards sickness did nothing to his power, of whitebeard doesn't have a heart attack, he is basically prime. Just a bit slower. Stated by Oda himself. Akainu, having to protect marine ford, not being able to go all out, took a cheap shot gura punch to the back, so akainu punching a hole through wb while wb is having a heart attacks is justified, he also ripped half wbs face off. Which wasn't a cheap shot, and stalemated a gura punch, all while still tanking another and going on to pursue sh

And it wasn't fatal or lasting but it was damaging enough Marcos flames didn't heal it right away

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

White beard tried to and failed at sinking marine ford. Oda stated whitebeards sickness did nothing to his power, of whitebeard doesn't have a heart attack, he is basically prime. Just a bit slower. Stated by Oda himself. Akainu, having to protect marine ford, not being able to go all out, took a cheap shot gura punch to the back, so akainu punching a hole through wb while wb is having a heart attacks is justified, he also ripped half wbs face off. Which wasn't a cheap shot, and stalemated a gura punch, all while still tanking another and going on to pursue sh

And it wasn't fatal or lasting but it was damaging enough Marcos flames didn't heal it right away

Okay first off id like to see scans because it was stated that his power had CONSIDERABLY weakened...and his reflexes were just gone.... if you think he is in his prime your fanriding Akainu to new levels...akainu HIT HIM WITH HIS FIRST HIT when he coughed up blood and fell over...

Then he got him again due to his sickness and weakned state...no different than Kizaru did... and are you actually saying akainu tanked more? He had taken 267 Sword wounds... 152 gun wounds...46 cannon wounds..... and had half his face ripped off...multiple wounds from other people...including lazer shots....

Also im not sure what you are talking about...that's not how his ability works...he got knocked back by akainu not hurt... if we are taking into account the idea of not protecting anyone...whitebeard could've had use gura gura no mi and sunk marineford from underwater or just kept sending tidal waves at them...it would have ended it right there... please be realistic here my friend

take away all that which you would likely be able to do with the straw hats there...
He KILLS akainu without too much trouble maybe a few wounds but it wouldn't be too much
then they save ace and leave

 

[Sakazuki]

Okay first off id like to see scans because it was stated that his power had CONSIDERABLY weakened...and his reflexes were just gone.... if you think he is in his prime your fanriding Akainu to new levels...akainu HIT HIM WITH HIS FIRST HIT when he coughed up blood and fell over...

Then he got him again due to his sickness and weakned state...no different than Kizaru did... and are you actually saying akainu tanked more? He had taken 267 Sword wounds... 152 gun wounds...46 cannon wounds..... and had half his face ripped off...multiple wounds from other people...including lazer shots....

Also im not sure what you are talking about...that's not how his ability works...he got knocked back by akainu not hurt... if we are taking into account the idea of not protecting anyone...whitebeard could've had use gura gura no mi and sunk marineford from underwater or just kept sending tidal waves at them...it would have ended it right there... please be realistic here my friend

take away all that which you would likely be able to do with the straw hats there...
He KILLS akainu without too much trouble maybe a few wounds but it wouldn't be too much
then they save ace and leave

If you think akainu isn't the one that really killed wb you're mentally ill, as in contributed most to it. And those gunshot and cannons didn't mean shit. Arlong tanks those and akainu tanked two of the strongest gura punches from the strongest man In the world enhanced with haki. THATS DURABILITY BOY. WHITEBEARD WOULDVE BEEN LAID OUT FROM HIMSELF IF THAT HAPPENED

And no whitebeard couldn't have, it only took three people to dispell his strongest possible gura, even if it was 3 admirals. There's plenty of people. Akainu stalemated whitebeards gura punvh and oda already stated his power was the same as prime. Go read the Manga, nothing was wrong with whitebeard besides being stabbed which he said didn't hurt before fighting akainu. Heart attack led to cheap shot. Whitebeard did the same. Quit crying

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

If you think akainu isn't the one that really killed wb you're mentally ill, as in contributed most to it. And those gunshot and cannons didn't mean shit. Arlong tanks those and akainu tanked two of the strongest gura punches from the strongest man In the world enhanced with haki. THATS DURABILITY BOY. WHITEBEARD WOULDVE BEEN LAID OUT FROM HIMSELF IF THAT HAPPENED

And no whitebeard couldn't have, it only took three people to dispell his strongest possible gura, even if it was 3 admirals. There's plenty of people. Akainu stalemated whitebeards gura punvh and oda already stated his power was the same as prime. Go read the Manga, nothing was wrong with whitebeard besides being stabbed which he said didn't hurt before fighting akainu. Heart attack led to cheap shot. Whitebeard did the same. Quit crying

Ill give you that their cheap shots equal out but that's about it...you are literally insane if you think Akainu has more durability feats...And no arlong didn't tank them he blocked them...theres pages where Whitebeard LITERALLY had 6-7 people stabbing him...and was stabbed by a massive sword by squardo to start with...

Stop being ignorant and trying to hype up akainu...even IF him and Whitebeard are 1 on 1 equal which Since hes on his deathbed maybe ill give you...with the Straw hats there...they take on the other admirals with the WB crew and luffy pulls ace out...then they sink marineford...end of discussion...you are quite delusional to think Akainu "tanked two punches" no...he really didn't he would've been killed but fell through the ground and survived because he has incredible presence of mind... then came back still wounded but fine... he is powerful yes...but in this scale...hes not stronger than WB nor would he decimate the war if WB is fine.

also i still wanna see these scans...especially the ones that state the admirals would just awaken their DF...cause by that logic the WB pirates will too since your just spewing nonsense

My apologies the awakening part was not on you Sakazuki, the was someone previous

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

WB lost half his face from one hit. Akainu was sent down through the ground with a gura punch(that he didn't expect so he probably didn't even use haki to block) then got back up without many injuries to wreck the rest of WB's crew. It's clear who has more durability considering the gura gura should be leaps and bounds above the magma fruit in offense.
Smh, even a sword from a fodder pierced WB.

 

[Sakazuki]

Ill give you that their cheap shots equal out but that's about it...you are literally insane if you think Akainu has more durability feats...And no arlong didn't tank them he blocked them...theres pages where Whitebeard LITERALLY had 6-7 people stabbing him...and was stabbed by a massive sword by squardo to start with...

Stop being ignorant and trying to hype up akainu...even IF him and Whitebeard are 1 on 1 equal which Since hes on his deathbed maybe ill give you...with the Straw hats there...they take on the other admirals with the WB crew and luffy pulls ace out...then they sink marineford...end of discussion...you are quite delusional to think Akainu "tanked two punches" no...he really didn't he would've been killed but fell through the ground and survived because he has incredible presence of mind... then came back still wounded but fine... he is powerful yes...but in this scale...hes not stronger than WB nor would he decimate the war if WB is fine.

also i still wanna see these scans...especially the ones that state the admirals would just awaken their DF...cause by that logic the WB pirates will too since your just spewing nonsense

My apologies the awakening part was not on you Sakazuki, the was someone previous

Do you understand how big an island is in one piece.

Prime wb, hell OLD SICK WB WITHOUT A HEART ATTACK beats everybody but prime Roger and prime garp and maybe prime sengoku(if he's sick). But at marine ford.

Look at this, an island in one piece is HUUUUUUUUGE. Akainu turned half into lava, if it wasn't for kazan stopping him with ice he probably could've turned all of it, now in one piece NO ONE CAN TOUCH LAVA so what are they suppose to do when Akainu does this? Numbers don't matter against Akainu it's kinda a non factor. From meteors from the sky to how ever he created lakes of magma and volcanoes


I'm guessing that's from awakening his df. I never said his df is awakened but to do that to an island.. And it not be? Imagine if it was.

They simply can't win because of the element it is. Your thrown over the ocean, can you avoid hitting water? No lol. The island is lava.. No one has any defense to it. They've held it off, or knocked it back, but no one has been touched and not hurt. Now in real life fire gets hotter than magma, but in this anime, magma is op and hotter than fire. It hasn't failed to burn anything yet, imo I don't think there is anything that can stop magma from burning in op like even with armament haki you can take more of it but it will still burn. Of course dark dark fruit would negate it lol

And you realize Akainu has always been one of odas most absolutely favorite characters? And he's portrayed as the final villain (besides blackbeard)
He killed the pks son
He's the only character to destroy luffys will 100% and scare him
He's contributed most to wbs death
Tanked two haki enhanced gura punches
Stalemate wbs bisento with foot
Stalemate a gura punch with a lava punch
First fleet admiral to ever move marine ford into yonko territory and in the new world cause his mom didn't raise no *****
Oda said with akainus strength Luffy would've found op in a year
Made double fruit blackbeard and his whole crew run by himself
Turned half an island into lava like I said before
AND FOUGHT FOR 11 DAMN DAYS LMAO LUFFY AND CRACKER WAS ONLY 11 HR LOL


And all while he still hasn't been seen in battle since oda has out the emphasis on haki


Unfortunately wbs sickness while not lowering strength did lower his armament haki, at the time it didn't look like that due to oda hadn't developed it completely yet, so whitbeard imo old. Wouldn't be able to kill Akainu fast enough to survive standing in lava but if he had his price durability while still being hurt I think he'd rape Akainu quick enough tanking the lava long enough to finish him and get out the lava before it fataly hurt him

 

[Hinata Loves Naruto]

Do you understand how big an island is in one piece.

Prime wb, hell OLD SICK WB WITHOUT A HEART ATTACK beats everybody but prime Roger and prime garp and maybe prime sengoku(if he's sick). But at marine ford.

Look at this, an island in one piece is HUUUUUUUUGE. Akainu turned half into lava, if it wasn't for kazan stopping him with ice he probably could've turned all of it, now in one piece NO ONE CAN TOUCH LAVA so what are they suppose to do when Akainu does this? Numbers don't matter against Akainu it's kinda a non factor. From meteors from the sky to how ever he created lakes of magma and volcanoes


I'm guessing that's from awakening his df. I never said his df is awakened but to do that to an island.. And it not be? Imagine if it was.

They simply can't win because of the element it is. Your thrown over the ocean, can you avoid hitting water? No lol. The island is lava.. No one has any defense to it. They've held it off, or knocked it back, but no one has been touched and not hurt. Now in real life fire gets hotter than magma, but in this anime, magma is op and hotter than fire. It hasn't failed to burn anything yet, imo I don't think there is anything that can stop magma from burning in op like even with armament haki you can take more of it but it will still burn. Of course dark dark fruit would negate it lol

And you realize Akainu has always been one of odas most absolutely favorite characters? And he's portrayed as the final villain (besides blackbeard)
He killed the pks son
He's the only character to destroy luffys will 100% and scare him
He's contributed most to wbs death
Tanked two haki enhanced gura punches
Stalemate wbs bisento with foot
Stalemate a gura punch with a lava punch
First fleet admiral to ever move marine ford into yonko territory and in the new world cause his mom didn't raise no *****
Oda said with akainus strength Luffy would've found op in a year
Made double fruit blackbeard and his whole crew run by himself
Turned half an island into lava like I said before
AND FOUGHT FOR 11 DAMN DAYS LMAO LUFFY AND CRACKER WAS ONLY 11 HR LOL


And all while he still hasn't been seen in battle since oda has out the emphasis on haki


Unfortunately wbs sickness while not lowering strength did lower his armament haki, at the time it didn't look like that due to oda hadn't developed it completely yet, so whitbeard imo old. Wouldn't be able to kill Akainu fast enough to survive standing in lava but if he had his price durability while still being hurt I think he'd rape Akainu quick enough tanking the lava long enough to finish him and get out the lava before it fataly hurt him

Okay so i get where you are coming from a bit more now on some things but it leads me to some questions...

Are you implying that Kuzan is also superior to WB because he was stated to be just about as strong and durable as Akainu and that was proven by the 11 day battle that they fought where Akainu BARELY won it.

I have seen the scans about Akainu getting the OP in a year if he were a pirate too. which i can see as WB and his crew also didn't really care about OP either so they didn't go for it at all

The awakening part is unconfirmed and unspeculatable but maybe he does... i was unintentionally referring to someone else when I mentioned that so I apologize but I still think if WB hadn't been deathly ill...he would be unstoppable... Not only that but im sure Haki will protect people IF strong enough from the Magma as it would from anything else but luffies prolly isn't quite strong enough for that yet but i think overall he wouldn't be dealing with Akainu so it would be fine

HOWEVER im rewatch/reading one piece and im a bit confused by one thing...if you really think NO ONE can handle the magma...why is Kaido dead? Hes been captured over 8 times and they surely could have used Akainu "Ultimate" Magma to take him out right?

Also as for the Admirals fight...that lasted so long because they are opposite ELEMENTS...as Ace and smoker may last the same amount of time...luffy if he fought someone of the opposite material could be in the same boat who knows

 

[Sakazuki]

Okay so i get where you are coming from a bit more now on some things but it leads me to some questions...

Are you implying that Kuzan is also superior to WB because he was stated to be just about as strong and durable as Akainu and that was proven by the 11 day battle that they fought where Akainu BARELY won it.

I have seen the scans about Akainu getting the OP in a year if he were a pirate too. which i can see as WB and his crew also didn't really care about OP either so they didn't go for it at all

The awakening part is unconfirmed and unspeculatable but maybe he does... i was unintentionally referring to someone else when I mentioned that so I apologize but I still think if WB hadn't been deathly ill...he would be unstoppable... Not only that but im sure Haki will protect people IF strong enough from the Magma as it would from anything else but luffies prolly isn't quite strong enough for that yet but i think overall he wouldn't be dealing with Akainu so it would be fine

HOWEVER im rewatch/reading one piece and im a bit confused by one thing...if you really think NO ONE can handle the magma...why is Kaido dead? Hes been captured over 8 times and they surely could have used Akainu "Ultimate" Magma to take him out right?

Also as for the Admirals fight...that lasted so long because they are opposite ELEMENTS...as Ace and smoker may last the same amount of time...luffy if he fought someone of the opposite material could be in the same boat who knows

Ahh true about kaido idk tbh, but kaido is kaido lol

And about kazan I think it was so close because all top tiers would be like that, but it was stated Akainu won and was going to KILL kazan but LET him live because they were allies