Overrated Madara

[Cromatic]

Madara may be stronger now with Rinnegan but back then even with the Kyuubi was he really stronger than Tobirama?

I don't believe he was, because judging by the jutsu Tobirama himself possessed like Genjutsu which could darken the surrounding whether it is a kyuubi against him or a shinobi, FTG, and also Strongest Water Jutsu which would easily counter all Katon Jutsu. It is also about Strategy, which points Tobirama out to be stronger, he was cool headed, he used to only be short tempered when his Brother used to ruin things he wanted to do. That doesn't make him stupid ego head. I think how Madara showed infront of Hashirama the weaknesses, having MS or EMS doesn't simply make him stronger than Tobirama, Or else he would have came back anyway to take revenge from Tobirama after Hashirama died, but he knew Tobirama would own him.

With 10 Sharingans, even Danzo couldn't become stronger than Hiruzen.

Also if Tobirama was given 1 or 2 more years to live, he would have perfected Edo Tensei, which would have made him almost immortal.


Madara has always been overhyped, Once when Hashirama died, they thought he was stronger than Tobirama.

And now when he has been revived with Edo Tensei, they think Edo Madara is stronger than Edo Itachi.

Itachi Solo Everyone.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Stopped reading when you said isn't that stronger than tobirama.

Madara > tobirama all day. Only hashirama can beat Madara. No one else has.

 

[Sensational]

Stopped reading when you said isn't that stronger than tobirama.

Madara > tobirama all day. Only hashirama can beat Madara. No one else has.

Cause hashi wouldn't let anyone else fight him.

 

[Optimistic]

Stopped reading after reading KYH post on you saying "Tobirama > Madara".
I prevented 10 seconds of my life being taken away.

 

[Zorø]

looooooooooool so your saying tobirama was stronger than Madara

 

[i OblivioN i]

Obito is stronger than Madara.
But Madara is strong. He stomps Tobirama easily.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Madara is not overrated. yes he was stronger than Tobirama. Madara was never over hyped. Everything we know now about madara was the same thing we knew then just now we have more details. we already knew he was powerful. we already knew only the first hokage could beat him. we already knew that he tamed kyuubi and tried to use it against the leaf. ...everything about that fight as far as the outcome was already known. madara is not overrated he is rather over powered. but so is hashirama so thats why Hashi made madara look overrated.

Cause hashi wouldn't let anyone else fight him.

Anyone else would have died

 

[tell it all]

If you're gonna make a point don't troll at the end with Itachi solos you'll lose all credibility. Anyway yes I believe Tobirama has a chance to defeat EMS Madara based on his jutsus, confidence and alittle hype as the greatest suiton user.

Anyone who says with 100% certainty Madara>Tobirama or Tobirama> Madara is lieing to themself. especially sense we haven't seen much from Tobirama.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Cause hashi wouldn't let anyone else fight him.

Recent chapters revealed that tobirama did fight Madara at some point and lost. Saying that "this time I will defeat Madara" sounds like he took a big fat L in the past.

 

[SenseiMartian]

I don't believe he was, because judging by the jutsu Tobirama himself possessed like Genjutsu which could darken the surrounding whether it is a kyuubi against him or a shinobi, FTG, and also Strongest Water Jutsu which would easily counter all Katon Jutsu.
With 10 Sharingans, even Danzo couldn't become stronger than Hiruzen.
Also if Tobirama was given 1 or 2 more years to live, he would have perfected Edo Tensei, which would have made him almost immortal.

Except Tobirama didn't use that genjutsu in the manga... Also, the Katon jutsus Madara has displayed have taken whole platoons of Suiton users to counter, we have yet to see anything that scale from Tobirama.
Also, don't quite know what you mean by the Danzo-Hiruzen comment, but being a Hokage is more than just being strong, it is also political. This being said, it doesn't surprise me that Hiruzen was stronger than a non-Uchiha using up eyes with a jutsu like Izanagi.
And perhaps Tobirama could have perfected edo tensei, but at the same time, he might not have been able to, similar to how Kakashi was not able to create the elemental chakra infused Rasengan.

 

[Cromatic]

I just mentioned how Tobirama can easily counter all of Madara's jutsu. you still think Madara is better than Tobirama with your wishful assumptions, In that sense you'd say Orochimaru is the strongest because he can resurrect everyone to fight against each other.

Tobirama is better than Madara is many possible senses

 

[Xlad]

Even if he was hyped like before, he proved to us that he is a legend. Madara himself said that Hashi is the only one that can fight him on equal footing or better, and that is coming from a very prideful Uchiha. A shinobi practically has to earn his acknowledgement. And guess what, Hashirama did not disagree with that.

Edit: Saying that EMS doesn't make him any better is cleary in a misconception. EMS Madara does have PS, but he decided to use Kurama's power to fight Hashirama.

 

[Dragon1]

Only hashirama can beat Madara. No one else has.

Tobi, Nagato and Naruto can beat EMS Madara...

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

I believe he was stronger than Tobirama or else Hashi wouldve had Tobirama deal with Madara instead of him dealing with his friend himself.However since only Hashirama matched Madaras power then only Hashi could fight him.

Notice how in the last chapter Tobirama was getting super ready to take on Madara. That means he's nervous about fighting Madara

 

[Cromatic]

Tobirama and Madara never actually fought, Hashirama never let Tobirama fight against Madara, even though Tobirama could, but Hashirama always considered it his own fight, also, if Tobirama and Madara actually fought later and Tobirama lost, Madara would have had taken over the leaf village.
Madara thinks and says no one can beat him apart from Hashirama because he has never face Tobirama, and believes that he can defeat him because of his powers, which is a big mistake he is making.

They may make it look like Madara is greater than Tobirama even when they haven't fought, but that is not true.

For that in latest chapter Tobirama said ... 'This time, "I'll defeat you"' meaning that he won't let his brother defeat Madara this time.

 

[roncato]

Obito is stronger than Madara.
But Madara is strong. He stomps Tobirama easily.

You mad? Btw, so do you really think Tobirama has the same powers as Hashi ? Only Hashirama could suppress his brother Tobirama. Why ? Because Tobirama was scared of Hashirama's powers, not just cuz Hashi was his brother. Madara > Tobirama.

 

[SenseiMartian]

I just mentioned how Tobirama can easily counter all of Madara's jutsu. you still think Madara is better than Tobirama with your wishful assumptions, In that sense you'd say Orochimaru is the strongest because he can resurrect everyone to fight against each other.

Tobirama is better than Madara is many possible senses

As a Tobirama fan, I have yet to see his water jutsus be able to counter Madara's Katon jutsu. Yes, he does have a S/T technique, which Madara might have trouble with. Tobirama did not use the Bringer of Darkness genjutsu in the manga, which is the other basis that you mentioned as an advantage against Madara. And yes, Tobirama might be better than Madara in some senses, but that does not mean Tobirama has the same level of raw power that Madara and Hashirama have/had.

 

[Waltz]

Madara thinks and says no one can beat him apart from Hashirama because he has never face Tobirama, and believes that he can defeat him because of his powers, which is a big mistake he is making.

This is a joke right?

 

[roncato]

Tobirama and Madara never actually fought, Hashirama never let Tobirama fight against Madara, even though Tobirama could, but Hashirama always considered it his own fight, also, if Tobirama and Madara actually fought later and Tobirama lost, Madara would have had taken over the leaf village.
Madara thinks and says no one can beat him apart from Hashirama because he has never face Tobirama, and believes that he can defeat him because of his powers, which is a big mistake he is making.

They may make it look like Madara is greater than Tobirama even when they haven't fought, but that is not true.

For that in latest chapter Tobirama said ... 'This time, "I'll defeat you"' meaning that he won't let his brother defeat Madara this time.

In the last chapter when Tobirama said "This time, I'll defeat you" meaning that he faced Madara, he just couldn't defeat him, ffs. Do you really think Tobirama hasn't faced Madara in all the incidents between the Uchiha and Senju clans?

 

[dementeddiode]

Tobi, Nagato and Naruto can beat EMS Madara...

I don't comment often as in "NEVER" but this has to be the icing on the cake.. Tobi (MS), Nagato (Madara's Rinnegan), Naruto (Kyubi-Madara's Pet) can beat EMS Madara.. Wahahaha.. That's why I don't comment at all. Kids these days. Eh - What can you do??