Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Lightning vs Speed of light
Both are extremely fast relative to humans however clearly the latter is considerably faster than the former.
Despite this they both can be considered "instant" because they both occur in a brief period of time and something being instantaneous doesn't correspond to a certain/specific measure of time. Essentially its up to the perceivers digression.

The problem is most people perceive the term instant as taking 0 time. If this is the case neither is "instant"
Please don't bother with Shelke he is a lost cause. I asked him to post a scientific link of what instant is and he failed to do so, he is a clown
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

@ComplexCity @shelke

What I was thinking

Lightning vs Speed of light
Both are extremely fast relative to humans however clearly the latter is considerably faster than the former.
Despite this they both can be considered "instant" because they both occur in a brief period of time and something being instantaneous doesn't correspond to a certain/specific measure of time. Essentially its up to the perceivers digression.

The problem is most people perceive the term instant as taking 0 time. If this is the case neither is "instant". This is because it take time to travel a distance
If you are talking about it outside the calculation in a generalized sense, then no. If T is being calculated then, yes. Like I told him, relativity matters.

P.s: Whoa, back up. That's what I have been trying to tell him from the start that "this is instant" isn't the same as "it occurs in an instant." Two exponentially different things.

The fact that Speed of Light - accurate or near accurate estimates - and Lightning strikes are finite and can be estimated proves that they are measurable quantities. The sole argument I presented here.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

If you are talking about it outside the calculation, then no. If T is being calculated then, yes. Like I told him, relativity matters.
Instant is incalculable by calculatory standards. Still waiting for that link
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

The fact this thread exist proves OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Natural energy is an source of energy. It can be used with anything and everything in the manga. So it compared in the way he's trying to compare it. IE: Natural energy can be added to Enton or an absorbing jutsu to absorb enton.
@bold. that statement makes no sense. I'm only pointing out the fact Enton can destroy NE.


Yeah and Naruto couter it with Kybbe chakra version 1. Keep dreaming.
Yet another feat for Ama :sdo:

Well you shouldn't be making dumb statements if you're not reading then :|

There's no need to debunk your fan fiction because there's nothing to debunk. We already know that it reverted to the heat. I will respond in depth later
How am I making dumb statements, but you haven't proven your case not even once. All you're doing is repeating Heat reverted the cave which ties well into my argument. I even broke down in the OP what happened in that scan and it's backed by databook/manga no less. Everything you're spewing shows bias because you're ignoring the muki tensei db description just so you continue to toot your horn. Do you know what separates facts from assumptions? Proof, that is what you have failed to provide in the whole thread. So your statements so far are assumptions at best. I read Shelke opening argument and agreed with it. I can't be bothered to read the whole debate between the two of you.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

If you are talking about it outside the calculation in a generalized sense, then no. If T is being calculated then, yes. Like I told him, relativity matters.

P.s: Whoa, back up. That's what I have been trying to tell him from the start that "this is instant" isn't the same as "it occurs in an instant." Two exponentially different things.

The fact that Speed of Light - accurate or near accurate estimates - and Lightning strikes are finite and can be estimated proves that they are measurable quantities. The sole argument I presented here.
Yup, idk much about mathematical aspect to physics but I was just trying say everything is relative. For instance someone could send an email and I could say I got it instantly
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Yup, idk much about mathematical aspect to physics but I was just trying say everything is relative. For instance someone could send an email and I could say I got it instantly
Precisely, it is a matter of relativity. They are not instant, but occur in an instant; mind you, these two are very different statements. Both of them are finite in speed measurement; meaning, the can be measured.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

@bold. that statement makes no sense. I'm only pointing out the fact Enton can destroy NE.




Yet another feat for Ama :sdo:



How am I making dumb statements, but you haven't proven your case not even once. All you're doing is repeating Heat reverted the cave which ties well into my argument. I even broke down in the OP what happened in that scan and it's backed by databook/manga no less. Everything you're spewing shows bias because you're ignoring the muki tensei db description just so you continue to toot your horn. Do you know what separates facts from assumptions? Proof, that is what you have failed to provide in the whole thread. So your statements so far are assumptions at best. I read Shelke opening argument and agreed with it. I can't be bothered to read the whole debate between the two of you.
Ok so I merely asking you to show scan showing the NE being sapped and the cave returning to its former state
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Ok where is the NE being sapped at? Highlight it please
How many times are we going to go over this. It's not fully explained on this page. All Kabuto says in the viz is
"It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."

Looking at Kabutos statements about muki tensei

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and the databook description.
Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent

It gives a more in depth analysis as to why the heat made the cave went back to being a cave once Sasuke casted ama.

Now let me direct this question at you in the same manner. when did anything indicate the cave was so damaged the cave reverted?

edit: show me the scan btw. :sdo:
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

How many times are we going to go over this. It's not fully explained on this page. All Kabuto says in the viz is
"It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."

Looking at Kabutos statements about muki tensei

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and the databook description.
Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent

It gives a more in depth analysis as to why the heat made the cave went back to being a cave once Sasuke casted ama.

Now let me direct this question at you in the same manner. when did anything indicate the cave was so damaged the cave reverted?

edit: show me the scan btw. :sdo:
And why do you think clones disperse when they take damage? Does that mean that physical attacks can destroy chakra and make the clones disperse? No. Clones disperse when they take damage because Kishi said so. That's something you don't get. All of your elaborate "research" and deductions are absolutely pointless because they haven't been approved by Kishi. What you don't get is NV isn't an actual universe you can explore and study. It's a made up world that solely exists in Kishi's mind. Therefore until Kishi directly says it, it ain't so. Any theories or conclusions you can come up with will remain useless conjecture until Kishi confirms it
 
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How many times are we going to go over this. It's not fully explained on this page. All Kabuto says in the viz is
"It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."

Looking at Kabutos statements about muki tensei

You must be registered for see images
and the databook description.
Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent

It gives a more in depth analysis as to why the heat made the cave went back to being a cave once Sasuke casted ama.

Now let me direct this question at you in the same manner. when did anything indicate the cave was so damaged the cave reverted?

edit: show me the scan btw. :sdo:
So I see you have no argument still.


Shall I pull the 100 of techs that fit what I'm saying? Because I know even for your standards that you arent that dunce
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

So I see you have no argument still.


Shall I pull the 100 of techs that fit what km saying? Because I know even for your standards that you arent that dunce
Did you make these "Amateratsu" thread because of Dantee's thread?
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

And why do you think clones disperse when they take damage? Does that mean that physical attacks can destroy chakra and make the clones disperse? No. Clones disperse when they take damage because Kishi said so. That's something you don't get. All of your elaborate "research" and deductions are absolutely pointless because they haven't been approved by Kishi. What you don't get is NV isn't an actual universe you can explore and study. It's a made up world that solely exists in Kishi's mind. Therefore until Kishi directly says it, it ain't so. Any theories or conclusions you can come up with will remain useless conjecture until Kishi confirms it
This guy soloed you in a page in what I've already done in 5, so much so you start putting words in my mouth
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

So I see you have no argument still.


Shall I pull the 100 of techs that fit what I'm saying? Because I know even for your standards that you arent that dunce
Lol what?? Did you even read what I wrote. Please show me that you actually comprehend what I wrote before dismissing what I post by saying I don't have an argument.

And where is the scan btw, I'm only using the logic in your previous post since clearly all that it takes to prove an argument is 1 scan. :sdo:
And why do you think clones disperse when they take damage? Does that mean that physical attacks can destroy chakra and make the clones disperse? No. Clones disperse when they take damage because Kishi said so. That's something you don't get. All of your elaborate "research" and deductions are absolutely pointless because they haven't been approved by Kishi. What you don't get is NV isn't an actual universe you can explore and study. It's a made up world that solely exists in Kishi's mind. Therefore until Kishi directly says it, it ain't so. Any theories or conclusions you can come up with will remain useless conjecture until Kishi confirms it
:lmao: Databook and manga is backed by Kishi, so it's not like I took this deduction from nothing. Clones and muki tensei are two different jutsus. Nothing suggests they are similar not in Kishis mind anyway which is highly ironic that you post something like that.
 

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Lol what?? Did you even read what I wrote. Please show me that you actually comprehend what I wrote before dismissing what I post by saying I don't have an argument.

And where is the scan btw, I'm only using the logic in your previous post since clearly all that it takes to prove an argument is 1 scan. :sdo:


:lmao: Databook and manga is backed by Kishi, so it's not like I took this deduction from nothing. Clones and muki tensei are two different jutsus. Nothing suggests they are similar not in Kishis mind anyway which is highly ironic that you post something like that.
And he still don't get it. You got your hot thread like you wanted. Get a top debater to look at this and then you'll convince me. Until then deuces
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

And he still don't get it. You got your hot thread like you wanted. Get a top debater to look at this and then you'll convince me. Until then deuces

No I get it what you're saying, but it honestly makes 0 sense comparing shadow clone jutsu, as if it's relevant to every jutsu in NV.

I just want you to provide proof instead of spewing assumptions all over this thread as if your opinion is highly accepted across the forums. Do you expect someone to agree with you just because you say so?
 

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No I get it what you're saying, but it honestly makes 0 sense comparing shadow clone jutsu, as if it's relevant to every jutsu in NV.

I just want you to provide proof instead of spewing assumptions all over this thread as if your opinion is highly accepted across the forums. Do you expect someone to agree with you just because you say so?
It doesn't matter what I post you literally derailed the argument earlier. I'm not wasting my time when you can't even comprehend a simple example like Shadow clones. I'd rather give myself a swirly reciting the alphabet backwards in Greek counting to infinity on my toes than debate with a fool like you, good day
 

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It doesn't matter what I post you literally derailed the argument earlier. I'm not wasting my time when you can't even comprehend a simple example like Shadow clones. I'd rather give myself a swirly reciting the alphabet backwards in Greek counting to infinity on my toes than debate with a fool like you, good day
I didn't derail your argument. I understand shadow clones completely and "they are nothing like the jutsu muki tensei" was my counter. All you have to do is read the databook description in the OP to understand that.
 
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How many times are we going to go over this. It's not fully explained on this page. All Kabuto says in the viz is
"It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."

Looking at Kabutos statements about muki tensei

You must be registered for see images
and the databook description.
Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent

It gives a more in depth analysis as to why the heat made the cave went back to being a cave once Sasuke casted ama.

Now let me direct this question at you in the same manner. when did anything indicate the cave was so damaged the cave reverted?

edit: show me the scan btw. :sdo:
I see what your trying to say but ima disagree with certain parts
Amaterasu just happens to be a good counter for Sage Art: Inorganic Animation
which uses NE to animate objects like rocks which are susceptible to heat
but not sage jutsu in general.
 
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