Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

you are a bona fide clown if you think someone needs to take the time to read your baloney evidence just to prove it as nothing more than baloney. The thread title alone tells a person how stupid your claim is.
Lmao so "the thread title" makes it a garbadge claim. Bias confirmed and all credibility lost, but continue.

You posted the same garbage when your first came out of the woodwork with this claim, and it's already been debunked when you made it, so idk why on God's green earth i have to take the time out to read the same pile of b.s. again to satisfy you. The thread title alone told me you started back up with this garbage, so what exactly was the point in even looking at it? Like it somehow makes what i said any less applicable. Get over yourself.
:lmao: was never debunked and you aren't helping your case either by saying you don't need to read my thread to know it isn't valid. Irony. :lmao:








Sasuke also mentions Gaara's defense so that page says both reacted in defense but the sand looks closer to Gaara than Sasuke so Sasuke probably attacked with Enton. An strong offensive can be a strong defense and vice versa.
Agreed.
As for other points, White Zetsu made that comment from the looks of it and Madara made those, only Black Zetsu wasn't made by Madara and even then he played a role of being Madara's will until war arc.

Fair enough
Kabuto never said Amaterasu sapped his natural energy away, only that the heat caused the jutsu to be undone and only that jutsu, not all jutsus containing natural energy.
He implied the heat reverted the cave back. Muki tensei works by placing NE in the atmosphere.

The Juubi took off Amaterasu so that means nothing if it can't do the job. The Juubi is still a living creature as are all Bijuus so they have the 5 senses humans have.

True but only wanted to further prove how deadly Ama can be and how it reacts to the Juubi an embodiment of NE.

Jutsus that haven't been shown or created yet came later on and pacted more punch than Amaterasu such as Susanoo, which is a stronger physical attack than Amaterasu, both are ninjutsus and both inflict damage by physically hitting the target. Susanoo is mountain Buster easily. TBB, Chou FRS (which increased Amaterasu power dramatically since regular FRS is S Rank), TBBFRS, TSBs, CT/BS/ST, and 9 Bijuus RS. All shown power on or above Amaterasu level (s rank).
The physical power of Ama/Enton doesn't come from its initial impact unlike those other techs. Ama just cannot be stopped unless absorbed or sealed. It can be countered in many ways to push or evade the flames tho. It has alot of weaknesses.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

:lmao: was never debunked and you aren't helping your case either by saying you don't need to read my thread to know it isn't valid. Irony. :lmao:
just like you keep whining about me making a biased argument but can't prove it?
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Look at the description of Muki Tensei. The NE is placed in the atmosphere in order for kabuto to control the jutsu.



Doesn't HAshi bring life to his mokuton when he uses it? That is defining differences between Yamato's and his. Hashirama has the ashura life force to make it better.



Faulty logic when neither work in the same manner. I see you can't counter this point so you are spouting the same nonsense. If shadow clone and muki tensei were the same jutsu you might actually have a almost valid point lol.



Well no shi the NE is helping KAbuto control the cave but KAbuto is ultimately the one in control. So what is your point about AMa being katon. Are you saying katon is capable of the same thing as Ama? Nothing backs that up.


What are you even spouting about now? TSB are not ne related sit down. Itachi has better experience at the time with Ama than Sasuke. The only time Itachi used it good was against Nagatos summons and to escape Jirayas jutsu. Sasuke used it to protect Itachi, harm the juubi, take the arm of the raikage, save team taka, save Naruto from Kaguyas ice jutsu. PLease gtfo :lmao: Try posting something related to the thread.



You're right every jutsu has a weakness. However take most elemental jutsus and pit it against ama/enton. Ama wins



That's true. But how else does Ama keep burning if the temperature of the jutsu is so low? How come water is suppose to logically cool down the temp of Ama but, still Ama preserves and continues to burn.



Whenever water sets on a small flame it evaporates. Yet water had no effect on ama and vice versa. Ama was able to fuel up clouds for precipitation which means it should be capable of evaporating water. If you think ama was never proven to be even that hot then why did it incinerate toadflesh and hot enough to destroy ne. Inconsistencies.
1. I can read, however I don't think you can. Again, what in that sentence proves that NE was sapped?



2. I asked you fro a scan and you can't, show me where it was that Hashi's wood is brought to life because as far I remember, it's never happened


3. :lmao:
Ok, so since my logic is faulty and you still don't seem to comprehend comparisons, mind refuting why it's fallible?


4. So why did you say the cave ame alive because Kbauto was controlling it? And stop twisting my words around and learn how to read You said that Katon can't burned the Juubi and I stated that
1. You have no proof that it can't
2. The Amateratsu is nothing but Katon to the highest degree
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

You didn't even make an argument yet. So far you've only insulted me, admit to not reading the thread and failed to debunk manga evidence.
if i took the time out to debunk your claim, i would only be like....the 1000th person in multiple threads that did it. I already told you too many times why i didn't bother reading your "evidence", so you would just be insane and foolish to expect me to. If you can't accept that, then go cry to somebody that cares. There are already enough ppl in this thread that are all too willing to believe you.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

if i took the time out to debunk your claim, i would only be like....the 1000th person in multiple threads that did it. I already told you too many times why i didn't bother reading your "evidence", so you would just be insane and foolish to expect me to. If you can't accept that, then go cry to somebody that cares. There are already enough ppl in this thread that are all too willing to believe you.
Indeed you can't expect too much from a troll these days. :rolleyes:





1. I can read, however I don't think you can. Again, what in that sentence proves that NE was sapped?
When the NE was destroyed the cave reverted as Kabuto implied. Ama destroyed the NE not the cave.

I asked you fro a scan and you can't, show me where it was that Hashi's wood is brought to life because as far I remember, it's never happened
Fair enough but remember NArutos life force effected Yamatos mokuton. That wasn't a coincidence and Yamatos mokuton is not even close to the same scale as HAshiramas. This should suffice as evidence but this whole shadow clone and mokuton argument is getting redundent. Shadow clone jutsu is just far less of a comparable technique
3. :lmao:
Ok, so since my logic is faulty and you still don't seem to comprehend comparisons, mind refuting why it's fallible?
For one Shadow clone doesn't derive from NE or control the unliving.

Shadow clone jutsu relies on the users reserves solemnly.

Only shadow clone jutsu is proven to take a hit and go poof as a jutsu. Implying it to every single other jutsu especially one like muki tensei is ridiculous.

4. So why did you say the cave came alive because Kbauto was controlling it? And stop twisting my words around and learn how to read
No one is twisiting your words lol. Kabuto is controlling the cave, how else did it attack ITachi and Sasuke but he is also using NE to do it.

You said that Katon can't burned the Juubi and I stated that
1. You have no proof that it can't
2. The Amateratsu is nothing but Katon to the highest degree
Regular fire jutus aren't going to hurt the Juubi. It's should be obvious but if you disagree whatevs.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

6- What kind of a silly argument is this? Why doesn't Boil Release melt Mei and her mouth when she's using it? Why doesn't Amaterasu affect Sasuke when he uses it on his own hand? Why doesn't his hand burn when he uses an Enton sword and literally grasps it within his own hand? Is this even an argument? Why doesn't Amaterasu / Enton affect Sasuke's own Susano'o? Why doesn't the shock wave from Madara's sword obliterate his own PS? I can go on and on here to discredit your childish shot at argumentation.

Not clear on why you're even bringing this up, elucidate

7- Irrelevant points:

1 - Jiraiya sealed it.
2 - Nagato didn't use any chakra based attack to push it off his body. He simply pushed the flames away. He didn't extinguish them.
3 - Petra Path works on all Ninjutsu made up of chakra.

None of these lessen the value of Amaterasu nor do they factor in with the argument that Amaterasu > NE. In fact, these examples are literally worthless for the topic at hand because sealing and PP have nothing to do with NE. If you plan on building an analogy, then learn how to use it first. It's sad that majority of NB still scratches its head when it comes to analogy building or choosing factors that are corollary to the arguments at hand. But you people never learn, do you?

If you learned how to read what bold means, you'll see why the response it what it is. So go look in the dictionary, find out what bold means and go back and read why I responded as I did

8- Even these claims are irrelevant as hell:

- TSBs negate all Ninjutsu save for the ones that have no physical form; Kamui and FTG.
- Kamui has done jack to Amaterasu.

Read above


Let me ask you again, since the whole thing seems to be beyond your reasoning ability: what do TSBs and Kamui have anything to do with Natural Energy being weak before Amaterasu? Oh wait, absolutely nothing. It's a worthless, let me repeat it again, a worthless and cheap argument with no link to the thread or to the argument.

Read above


Kamui will, for example, work on Kaguya's TSB as well. Now going by your pointless opinions, Kamui >> Kaguya's dimension destroying Kekkei Mora TSB. Does this really work that way? No. Do me a favour and revisit the point above on how to build analogies as you are failing in this department at every turn.

What do TSB and Kaguya's dimension have anything to do with each other let alone Amateratsu. Kamui can warp Amateratsu to the Kamui dimension extinguishing the fire from that plane of existence


9- Do me a favour again and don't bring science into this. Why? Because you have zero real life examples to explain the concept of Natural Energy and create an argument. I am not even slightly interested or impressed by this intangible argument of yours as the Buddha Statue is built entirely upon Natural Energy as well and Madara was able to hurt it with PS Sword. This is a fictitious manga and none of the chakra based elements work on science. These elements are not Natural phenomenon but run completely on chakra down to the last chakra drop; they are an imitation of nature. Whatever the author has shown, goes. Don't even go there, or I will embarrass you just like I embarrassed Kidgamer.
:lmao:

When clearly the WOOD has been cut by PS swords. Again, what point are you trying to make. It was your boy that compared Air to NE, not me


Physical energy and mental energy are intangible as well. Your argument is laughable. I asked for a scan, you haven't given me any. Sapped or not sapped, NE dispersed regardless. You shot yourself in the foot the moment you began this argument. According to you, NE is intangible and cannot be touched by anything, but it's affected by heat regardless?


@Bold, ok so again what's your point?
A scan of whyat? a claim I never made, don't get desperate because you're always getting shat on. Obviously the NE dispersed because like I said in my other post, when a technique is destroyed or been overpowered, the source of whatever powered that technique ceases to exist. You have no proof NE was sapped



You admit yourself that an intangible energy has been affected indefinitely by heat from something physical, but the other side of the argument is so so wrong, because it doesn't sit well with your kiddy arguments? Do you have any argument and counterargument left after this admission? No, because your entire last paragraphs are worthless because of the argument you yourself established that NE, despite being intangible was dispersed by something physical; in other words, something physical killed the cave that was brought to life with something intangible. If you think you are impressing anyone with this, then you are not, man, because this argument of yours fell flat on its face with your own post.

Ok, quote me where I said the bold


10- Your last two examples don't factor in as well, as when KB is destroyed the chakra is destroyed, which is why it doesn't return to the user. It's a body made out of Chakra. Only if it is cancelled that the chakra goes back to the user. Your ET argument is pointless as well, as this technique and Kabuto's IT are not even remotely related. Even then, when Ninjutsu Cancellation element of TSBs is used, the chakra on the portion of ET body it touches is utterly destroyed and even ET cannot heal it. Tobirama stated that Mintao "would die if he was hit fatally with that technique." It means, that TSB has the capablity to destroy the life-force; something intangible within the body. Similarly, Madara was about to kill Gai by hitting him with a TSB; in other words, he would going to kill him by destroying his life force.

Already addressed the bold in my other claim and it's not relevant to what I was saying anyway. The chakara is not sapped from the user. Rest of the post is irrelevant. Kunais can kill ninja, so do Kunai kill lifeforce as well?

So, what was your argument again? Oh yeah, you don't think NE was sapped, because ... because you say so? I don't think it's a matter of concern then.
No, because the manga and viz have already proven both of you wrong, yet you are staying strong by nothing neither of you have proof for
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

No, because the manga and viz have already proven both of you wrong, yet you are staying strong by nothing neither of you have proof for
Manga and viz both say the heat of the jutsu made the cave revert, nothing was implied about damaging the cave. Databook about muki tensei is the ne is in the atmosphere. the proof is irrefutable.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Indeed you can't expect too much from a troll these days. :rolleyes:







When the NE was destroyed the cave reverted as Kabuto implied. Ama destroyed the NE not the cave.



Fair enough but remember NArutos life force effected Yamatos mokuton. That wasn't a coincidence and Yamatos mokuton is not even close to the same scale as HAshiramas. This should suffice as evidence but this whole shadow clone and mokuton argument is getting redundent. Shadow clone jutsu is just far less of a comparable technique


For one Shadow clone doesn't derive from NE or control the unliving.

Shadow clone jutsu relies on the users reserves solemnly.

Only shadow clone jutsu is proven to take a hit and go poof as a jutsu. Implying it to every single other jutsu especially one like muki tensei is ridiculous.



No one is twisiting your words lol. Kabuto is controlling the cave, how else did it attack ITachi and Sasuke but he is also using NE to do it.



Regular fire jutus aren't going to hurt the Juubi. It's should be obvious but if you disagree whatevs.
1. Kabuto didn't imply anything, he said the heat cause the cave to revert. The NE was dispersed after the cave reverted, or are you gonna argue with the manga?


2. Ok? I don't see your reasoning for bringing up Naruto or Mokuton as they are both irrelevant to support any of you fanboyish claims. Again, you still can't comprehend. I asked you a simple question that you cannot answer. When shadow clones are destroyed, is it because their chakra was sapped?


3. facepalm
- Never stated that it did
- Which I already said
- Irrelevant point

The word your looking for is comparing. And you're not understanding the concept. No matter how simple I break it down for you'll still just deny it
- NE gives life to the cave
- Kage Bunshin gives life to a clone

-The cave was powered by NE
- Clones are powered by chakara

-The cave reverted because it sustained a significant amount of damage
-Clones go poof because they sustain a significant amount of damage

Still waiting for you to post a scan of NE being sapped


4. Stop twisting my words again. That was put in that same statement for a reason. I was referring to when you stated I said Katon in on the same level of Amateratsu

5. Speculation, unless you have a scan to support your fanfiction
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Manga and viz both say the heat of the jutsu made the cave revert, nothing was implied about damaging the cave. Databook about muki tensei is the ne is in the atmosphere. the proof is irrefutable.
:lmao:

Heat causes damage to things and people :sdo:
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Lmao so "the thread title" makes it a garbadge claim. Bias confirmed and all credibility lost, but continue.



:lmao: was never debunked and you aren't helping your case either by saying you don't need to read my thread to know it isn't valid. Irony. :lmao:









Agreed.



Fair enough

He implied the heat reverted the cave back. Muki tensei works by placing NE in the atmosphere.




True but only wanted to further prove how deadly Ama can be and how it reacts to the Juubi an embodiment of NE.



The physical power of Ama/Enton doesn't come from its initial impact unlike those other techs. Ama just cannot be stopped unless absorbed or sealed. It can be countered in many ways to push or evade the flames tho. It has alot of weaknesses.
We can agree for most of it but the thing is that that jutsu works in a cave setting which is probably less humid than outside. Sasuke heating up the area changed the climate of the cave which undid the jutsu. Amaterasu didn't hurt Juubito, it takes taijutsu or Senjutsu to hurt a Juubi Jin so same must go for the Juubi since the jin's body changes similar to the Juubi. Amaterasu is strong but it also depends on how it's used and the skill of the user. In Boruto movie it looked like Sasuke uses Amaterasu in a new way but I couldn't completely tell from the trailer.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Manga and viz both say the heat of the jutsu made the cave revert, nothing was implied about damaging the cave. Databook about muki tensei is the ne is in the atmosphere. the proof is irrefutable.
how does it feel to have your own thread clowned?
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Where did I do that? I didn't say shit about Naruto fans. In just gave my honest opinion. The thread is a great read, he used a lot of scans to back up his claims and it's well constructed.

You on the other hand complain about SB all the time. Stop being so butthurt and say something nice for a change.
What can I say nice about a guy that blatantly disregards manga facts and tries to pass his buttpulled logic as fact. The thread is not mostly disliked by Naruto fanboys and how am I butt hurt when I already shatted on his arguments? He can't give a scan supporting one of his arguments. It's obvious that you're an obvious Sasuke fanboy as well. No need to deny it



how does it feel to have your own thread clowned?
Its happen on a daily, no surprise there
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

:lmao:

Heat causes damage to things and people :sdo:
Amaterasu's heat didn't cause damage to the cave, it made damage to the NE on the atmosphere, which explains why Kabuto talks about "best defense", which caused the cave to revert.

Can't be more explicit.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Amaterasu's heat didn't cause damage to the cave, it made damage to the NE on the atmosphere, which explains why Kabuto talks about "best defense", which caused the cave to revert.

Can't be more explicit.
Not about to sit here and repeat the same thing I already did. So I'll ask you, what proof do you have to state Amateratsu affected NE in anyway? NE is intangible and has never been shown to been affected in any way in the manga unless it was absorbed
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

No, because the manga and viz have already proven both of you wrong, yet you are staying strong by nothing neither of you have proof for
Oh dear, that clearly flew well over your head:

1- You are the one bringing up those things, not me. Clearly, the burden of expounding upon the near-missed logic of yours falls entirely on your shoulders, not mine. So, how do your worthless examples relate to NE and this argument?

2- For the remaining, hilarious, read above points: Precisely. What do they add to your argument? Absolutely nothing.

3- You see, here is why you really are not very bright - take notes as to how an analogy is built: Buddha Statue - let's call it BS for short - and Kabuto's Inorganic Transmigration - let's call it IT for short - are quite similar. The cave is IT and exactly works like BS. How? The cave is physical and so is the Buddha statue (in a way, but I'll come to that point later). But what are they fueled by? That's right, NE. Both of them are alive and controlled, because NE, pure NE not Senjutsu chakra, flows through them. NE is their life force, not chakra. Once that NE is damaged, both the techniques got cancelled.

Both of them are damaged by physical attacks; Amaterasu and swords. Now Shockwave (singularity) is not exactly something physical, but regardless for your sake, let's count it with the sword because you are already as helpless as a man can be. Now the main difference happens: BS is a manifestation of NE. It isn't wood like the rest of Hashirama's techniques, you fool. No, it's NE manifested as wood. This is what DB IV has to say on this:

Sage Art: Wood Release: Veritable 1000-Armed Kan'on

The user releases a tremendous amount of natural energy from their body into the atmosphere to create a giant buddha statue, which they can then control with wood release. It's a jutsu capable of doing battle with a tailed beast. Its many arms can also be used to "judge" the opponent by unleashing a massive barrage of palm strikes.
That NE manifested as wood was hurt by physical attacks and it never recovered. All those parts were NE manifested as wood, just like the Physical Dragon is nothing but NE in Kabuto's White Rake, were destroyed by physical attacks; the life inside it, lost, destroyed. Which is why it was damaged and was cancelled and disappeared when the NE inside it reached its limit:



- Do you see any BS here? It has vanished.

Now how does that relate to IT? Life given via NE. The cave was dead. NE gave it life and controlled it. Amaterasu's heat affected NE and the cave died. Just like that BS died after its life force was sapped because of constant attacks. It vanished. So your intangible and the related garbage argumentation is of no consequence to the manga. This isn't real world; it's fiction. NE isn't real. So whatever c*ock and bull story you come up with to validate your weak points won't work, as you have nothing to align it with, as nothing like NE exists in real world. No matter how many times you bring this intangible and physical argument, it will be laughable every single time, as you have nothing in real world to fall back on. Stop making a fool out of yourself then.

4- Wait, so ceasing to exist from existence suddenly is not sapping or destruction? Dude, you are an idiot. You pretty much agreed with the thread with that point alone. This back-paddling and face saving is not doing you much good.

5- I literally quoted you in my post. You can't read? Not surprising, given the response.

6- No, you didn't. TSBs target chakra, which is life force. Proven by their defenses against all ninjutsu that have a physical form. Chakra has been proven to be a life force, as when the tree sucked it dry, the people died. Their bodies weren't damaged in any manner, but they were killed regardless. Turned to mummies because their life force was sucked dry.

Your physical wounds have no co-relation to my argument. For example, Human Path is fully capable of sucking the soul and Petra Path is ****ing capable of killing the person as well - both techniques suck the life force dry and kill a man. It's like one useless argument from you after another. How old are you anyway?
 
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