Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

[UzumakiRyu]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

the irony is overwhelming, how about you go back to being banned.
Y'all only accept when its convenient for sasuke. Amaterasu is a powerful/deadly technique but to say it > natural energy is stupidity beyond even you. If what you say were true Amaterasu could one-shot the juubi as its entirely comprised of natural energy, we all know that'll never happen. Infact juubi negged amaterasu, mangafact.

This post just shows you haven't read the thread. The Juubi could only escape amaterasu but shedding it off. The fire was burning the Juubi. It's the same as the raikage cutting his arm off because it couldn't stop the extreme heat of ama.



That move would only spread the fire around him because Enton is not like Amaterasu. Although I agree Naruto has a good chance at defending himself but all his offensive jutsus can be countered.

How would Sasuke counter a NE gathered dual thrown Ashura Avatar RS Biju Dama?

 

[Dantee]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

How would Sasuke counter a NE gathered dual thrown Ashura Avatar RS Biju Dama?

An Entondori attack.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

An Entondori attack.

Entondori? lol.

 

[Michael]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

the irony is overwhelming, how about you go back to being banned.
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This post just shows you haven't read the thread. The Juubi could only escape amaterasu but shedding it off. The fire was burning the Juubi. It's the same as the raikage cutting his arm off because it couldn't stop the extreme heat of ama.



That move would only spread the fire around him because Enton is not like Amaterasu. Although I agree Naruto has a good chance at defending himself but all his offensive jutsus can be countered.[/QUOTE]

So explain, why didn't it melt the samurai's armor? Infact it didn't even burn him the slightest, by all means elaborate.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Entondori? lol.

I don't know what else to call it atm. He used it in the trailer.

So explain, why didn't it melt the samurai's armor? Infact it didn't even burn him the slightest, by all means elaborate.

Kishi is inconsistent but Enton burns faster when it's focused directly. Besides Raikage and Sasuke were fighting at high speeds.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I don't know what else to call it atm. He used it in the trailer.



Kishi is inconsistent but Enton burns faster when it's focused directly. Besides Raikage and Sasuke were fighting at high speeds.

The ability he used to destroy that meteor? that isn't really a counter more like an attack he'd use which I'm pretty sure you'd assume after using Ameno to get behind Naruto right? not really a counter more like him avoiding the attack and sneaking behind Naruto not what I'm looking for when I talk about a legit counter.

 

[Dantee]

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The ability he used to destroy that meteor? that isn't really a counter more like an attack he'd use which I'm pretty sure you'd assume after using Ameno to get behind Naruto right? not really a counter more like him avoiding the attack and sneaking behind Naruto not what I'm looking for when I talk about a legit counter.

Nope I'm talking the move in the new bolt trailer.

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Sasuke can shoot those out like projectiles.

 

[ComplexCity]

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Indeed there is also a flaming ball in the sky that can't be put out.



About Ne and air being intangible, it doesn't matter since Fire effects air and ama canonically effected NE. Databook and manga facts have proved you wrong.

Lol nice submission. Glad you took back that flawed thinking. Like I said, you haves no proof it effected NE. If that's the case,why didn't Sasuke use Enton to sap the NE Naruto was collecting? The cave reverted back because of the heat.


And you still failed to answer my question. If a Shadow clone goes Poof, does the mean the chakra was sapped?

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Nope I'm talking the move in the new bolt trailer.

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Sasuke can shoot those out like projectiles.

Watched it several times and don't see Sasuke use any ranged enton abilities unless you're talking about 0:07 into the trailer but there look's like his Sword covered in lightning is clashing with another guys weapon like a Kunai.

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

I don't know what else to call it atm. He used it in the trailer.



Kishi is inconsistent but Enton burns faster when it's focused directly. Besides Raikage and Sasuke were fighting at high speeds.

Fallacious, because it burned WZ when it was unfocused. Why do you like pulling logic out of your butt? Beside that and Karin, it hasn't burned anyone

 

[Dantee]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Lol nice submission. Glad you took back that flawed thinking. Like I said, you haves no proof it effected NE. If that's the case,why didn't Sasuke use Enton to sap the NE Naruto was collecting? The cave reverted back because of the heat.


And you still failed to answer my question. If a Shadow clone goes Poof, does the mean the chakra was drained?

still going on about no proof of ama effect ne. The databook and manga scans I posted are implying the heat destroyed the ne straight from the atmosphere. You have yet to prove this wrong. Shadow clone and muki tensei are different jutsus all together. One relies on the users chakra to maintain life, the other relies on NE.

Watched it several times and don't see Sasuke use any ranged enton abilities unless you're talking about 0:07 into the trailer but there look's like his Sword covered in lightning is clashing with another guys weapon like a Kunai.

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HEre Sasuke used Enton as a projectile from his sword.

Fallacious, because it burned WZ when it was unfocused. Why do you like pulling logic out of your butt? Beside that and Karin, it hasn't burned anyone

Normally anything attack by enton would get burned and wither away until it dies. The metal was protecting him so it somewhat makes sense why he survived even though has been inconsistent.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

still going on about no proof of ama effect ne. The databook and manga scans I posted are implying the heat destroyed the ne straight from the atmosphere. You have yet to prove this wrong. Shadow clone and muki tensei are different jutsus all together. One relies on the users chakra to maintain life, the other relies on NE.

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HEre Sasuke used Enton as a projectile from his sword.




Normally anything attack by enton would get burned and wither away until it dies. The metal was protecting him so it somewhat makes sense why he survived even though has been inconsistent.

What's with the red highlights of the scans besides the one that points out the attack I was wondering about? weird. also why'd you highlight that text in yellow? lol pictures really do tell the story.

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

still going on about no proof of ama effect ne. The databook and manga scans I posted are implying the heat destroyed the ne straight from the atmosphere. You have yet to prove this wrong. Shadow clone and muki tensei are different jutsus all together. One relies on the users chakra to maintain life, the other relies on NE.


Normally anything attack by enton would get burned and wither away until it dies. The metal was protecting him so it somewhat makes sense why he survived even though has been inconsistent.

Your manga scan and DB scan support nothing you're saying accept that Kabuto used NE to bring the cave to life. Living things feel pain, there was no NE sapped and you cannot prove that it was. The Kage Bunshin metaphor is one in the same. It doesn't matter what is fueling them because both the substances work in the same way (NE is giving to non organic things to make them come alive, Chakara is split in half with a clone to make a doppelganger). When a clone takes enough damage and is dispersed, the chakra is not drained and it is returned to the user. Like I said, I don't why you like pulling stuff out of your butt for



If you accept DB facts, then you accept Amateratsu as nothing but hype in regards to it heating properties. Fire burns metal and also spreads, yet it did nothing to the samurai. Madara also laughed at it as well as the Juubi. That reminds me, why wasn't they Juubi's NE sapped like you claim it can be?

 

[Dantee]

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What's with the red highlights of the scans besides the one that points out the attack I was wondering about? weird. also why'd you highlight that text in yellow? lol pictures really do tell the story.

It was a scan I used to prove another point that is totally unrelated to this thread.

Your manga scan and DB scan support nothing you're saying accept that Kabuto used NE to bring the cave to life. Living things feel pain, there was no NE sapped and you cannot prove that it was. The Kage Bunshin metaphor is one in the same. It doesn't matter what is fueling them because both the substances work in the same way (NE is giving to non organic things to make them come alive, Chakara is split in half with a clone to make a doppelganger). When a clone is dispersed, the chakra is not drained and it is returned to the user. Like I said, I don't why you like pulling stuff out of your butt for



If you accept DB facts, then you accept Amateratsu as nothing but hype in regards to it heating properties. Fire burns metal and also spreads, yet it did nothing to the samurai. Madara also laughed at it as well as the Juubi. That reminds me, why wasn't they Juubi's NE sapped like you claim it can be?

Wrong. The 1st line of the databook fact is the NE is placed in the atmosphere. Jutsus are naturally controlled by chakra. Amaterasu sapped the NE as the databook/manga fact imply. Kabuto even used the words heat, that further backs my statement. Nothing implies the cave controlled by Kabuto feels pain like a shadow clone.


Wasn't the Juubi burning and had to direct the flames off it's body. What do you think happened to the burning part sloth off by the Juubi? It was burned down completely. It would be anti climatic for the Juubi to be put down by a small scale amaterasu. The juubi has enough n.e to be called immeasurable by Kurama.

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

It was a scan I used to prove another point that is totally unrelated to this thread.


Wrong. The 1st line of the databook fact is the NE is placed in the atmosphere. Jutsus are naturally controlled by chakra. Amaterasu sapped the NE as the databook/manga fact imply. Kabuto even used the words heat, that further backs my statement. Nothing implies the cave controlled by Kabuto feels pain like a shadow clone.


Wasn't the Juubi burning and had to direct the flames off it's body. What do you think happened to the burning part sloth off by the Juubi? It was burned down completely. It would be anti climatic for the Juubi to be put down by a small scale amaterasu. The juubi has enough n.e to be called immeasurable by Kurama.

Implied by your standards and logic? What exactly are you trying disprove? How does the bold disprove what I said? The NE is still given to the cave that's how it comes alive Thanks for helping me prove my point. Kage Bunshins and the Cave (due to the heat and tangible flames) both felt pain, which is why the cave reverted and the Kage Bunshins poof after sustaining enough damage.


So it burning means it's NE was being sapped? Fodder Samurai was burned and he didn't have NE so what's your point? The Jubii was in a physical form so of course it would get burned, that doesn't mean it's NE was being sapped

 

[Dantee]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Implied by your standards and logic? What exactly are you trying disprove? How does the bold disprove what I said? The NE is still given to the cave that's how it comes alive Thanks for helping me prove my point. Kage Bunshins and the Cave (due to the heat and tangible flames) both felt pain, which is why the cave reverted and the Kage Bunshins poof after sustaining enough damage.


So it burning means it's NE was being sapped? Fodder Samurai was burned and he didn't have NE so what's your point? The Jubii was in a physical form so of course it would get burned, that doesn't mean it's NE was being sapped

it works while the NE is placed in the atmosphere, you still haven't understood it's not your typical jutsu. It pretty much debunks this nonsense about the cave feeling pain like a shadow clone which is backed by nothing. Mokuton is brought to life yet would never react to amaterasu in the same manner as the cave did here.

The point about the Juubi was that it was harmed and felt pain. however the scale of those flames would never effect the vastly reserves of a Juubi. Something like Enton on the scale of Indras Arrow would kill it.

 

[To Whatever]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Why is this still being debated. Ama only has enough feats to effect Kabuto's inorganic reanimation.

Large scale Justu infused with NE are barely phased by it.

Example: NE TBB

 

[ComplexCity]

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it works while the NE is placed in the atmosphere, you still haven't understood it's not your typical jutsu. It pretty much debunks this nonsense about the cave feeling pain like a shadow clone which is backed by nothing. Mokuton is brought to life yet would never react to amaterasu in the same manner as the cave did here.

The point about the Juubi was that it was harmed and felt pain. however the scale of those flames would never effect the vastly reserves of a Juubi. Something like Enton on the scale of Indras Arrow would kill it.

Muki Tensei is a senjutsu that uses NE to make the cave come alive. It doesn't debunk anything because in the same DB scan you posted

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Sage Art: Inorganic Animation (Senjutsu, Ninjutsu)
User(s): Yakushi Kabuto

Granting life to the inorganic earth!!

By filling the atmosphere with Natural Energy, this Sage Art can be used to enslave inorganic substances such as the earth. Amongst the various Sage Modes, only those who have mastered the Sage Art of Ryuchi Cave are allowed to wield it. As the earth is infused with life, a pulse violently courses through its blood vessels, causing it to swell outward. The ground, as well as the walls and ceiling, begin to rumble like a living organism. The spines protruding from its flesh walls can be manipulated in order to impale an opponent
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also states the cave is
1. Alive
2. Contains blood vessels

Which means it's living. However, in your DB scan, I see nothing that remotely indicates that NE was sapped. Mokuton is KKG which is fused with Water and Earth make Mokuton. Muki Tensei is Senjutsu so I don't know why you are even comparing the two. In fact, I don't remember ever where it stated that the trees created by Mokuton are alive considering the fact that Hashirama has to control them so your point is moot. The shadow clone metaphor fits exactly what I'm saying since they both

1. Creates a living entity
2. Share a substance that fuels them to exist



Nice assumptions but none
The Juubi felt pained and burned because it was a physical living entity , nothing more


Edit: Disregard the Mokuton KKG statement. Forgot that it those elements that makes them up and also Hashi's cells

 

[Remedy]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Another silly thread taken out of context.

If Ama>Natural Energy then is should have completely burned through TBS (which is composed of natural energy) here.

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This is a waste of your time to sit there and try to uplift one of the most inconsistent ninjutsu's in the manga, "it's hotter than the sun", but 7/10 the heat around it doesn't affect the surroundings. At least natural energy is more consistent.

If you are going to argue anything about Ama, argue that Itachi uses it with way more precision than Sasuke, and overall a better user at it, because when Itachi uses it, it does as intended.

 

[ComplexCity]

Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Another silly thread taken out of context.

If Ama>Natural Energy then is should have completely burned through TBS (which is composed of natural energy) here.

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This is a waste of your time to sit there and try to uplift one of the most inconsistent ninjutsu's in the manga, "it's hotter than the sun", but 7/10 the heat around it doesn't affect the surroundings. At least natural energy is more consistent.

If you are going to argue anything about Ama, argue that Itachi uses it with way more precision than Sasuke, and overall a better user at it, because when Itachi uses it, it does as intended.

TSB aren't made of NE