[VS] Orochimru vs MS Sasuke

Winner

  • Sasuke

    Votes: 12 66.7%
  • Oro

    Votes: 6 33.3%

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Not really. I was under the impression Oro wins as seen on the first page
But can't forget to mention MS genjutsu > 3T genjutsu
It would seem so based off more chakra input. But then again A 3 tomoe Sharingan countered MS Tsukuyomi sooooooooo We have to do better in that regard, but none the less is easily countered by multiple factors no diff. It isn't even funny tbh. Oru with Zetsu Body literally became the ultimate Uchiha counter right behind SM Kabuto.
 

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Except he won't be.
We'll see about that.


Orochimaru can swap himself with any of his clones as shown during his 'fight' with Anko in Forest of Death.
Gonna need a scan of that.

Proof of him using Complete Susano'o? All manga showed was Itachi standing up, activating his Skeletal Susano'o and saying that if it wasn't for it he would've been dead. Complete Susano'o was something he used only later on.
1. V2 has been obliterated by lesser techs.2
2. Itachi wouldn't use something that wasn't his best.
3. Yata couldn't have been used due to it being hyped to be unbreakable a chapter later.

Thus it had to be V3 as V4 is default with Yata for Itachi.

Either way, Orochimaru isn't more durable than Skeletal or Complete, so it doesn't matter.


Ofc not lol. He tanked it with Susano'o. But it doesn't matter. Manda tanked C0 which was tens of times more powerful than Kirin. I know it died in the end, but there were no external wounds at all. There's no way Kirin could completely destroy 8branches and all the internal wounds inflicted would be laughed at and regenerated, since we know that it can survive fatal wounds even Manda couldn't.
Lol, thank god. But your logic doesn't work. Yes, C0>Kirin. (Gap is nowhere near as large as what you are implying) But Manda didn't take the full blast, not to mention Kirin is far more concentrated than C0 and has more penetrative power. Kirin would obliterate Manda and obliterate Eight Branches. Destroying all of it isn't even needed (even though it can) when Orochimaru is the center of it all. If he is vaporized, the whole thing falls with him.
 

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Gonna need a scan of that.
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1. V2 has been obliterated by lesser techs.2
2. Itachi wouldn't use something that wasn't his best.
3. Yata couldn't have been used due to it being hyped to be unbreakable a chapter later.
And that's why after Kirin he used Skeletal one first only to turn it into Complete a few seconds later? Not to mention that back then it took like 3-4 panels for it to transform. I'll blame it on his bad condition which affected his chakra control that he started with Skeletal Susano'o (can't find better explanation).

Not to mention it was never stated, nor even implied Itachi used Yata to tank Kirin. Had he used Yata, he wouldn't have to re-activate his Susano'o, because it would've still been there. And if Kirin destroyed Yata, then how in the world did he use it again, later on? You make completely no sense.

Either way, Orochimaru isn't more durable than Skeletal or Complete, so it doesn't matter.
Most likely, but you cannot judge it based only on the fact that a spiritual weapon managed to cut its heads. Can you precisely explain how a spiritual weapon works? I bet you cannot.

Lol, thank god. But your logic doesn't work. Yes, C0>Kirin. (Gap is nowhere near as large as what you are implying) But Manda didn't take the full blast, not to mention Kirin is far more concentrated than C0 and has more penetrative power. Kirin would obliterate Manda and obliterate Eight Branches. Destroying all of it isn't even needed (even though it can) when Orochimaru is the center of it all. If he is vaporized, the whole thing falls with him.
Didn't take the full blast? Of course it did, because it's not like the explosion takes time to deal its full damage. There's a shockwave and a heat blast. They are released during the explosion and whatever comes in their way gets full damage. You can't tank half the explosion or a quarter.

And C0 managed to create craters even at the very end of its AoE. It's obviously WAY stronger than Kirin and it doesn't matter if Kirin is concentrated or not, because the shock and heat waves released during explosion deal the almost the same damage in every single affected point. Yet Manda tanked it and died only to the after effects.

Also, Orochimaru is the 8branches. So 'killing' that Orochimaru figure that manifested from Hydra isn't going to do shit. Not when it already tanked lethal wounds and laughed at them and not when 8branches was confirmed to be regeneration itself.
 

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No preparation, This is ms sasuke after the fight with danzo but he has healthy eyes
Location:Remains of leaf village
Distance:30 m
Intent:kill for sasuke, nacrophilia for mj
Which Orochimaru is this exactly?
 

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No Skeletal Susano'o has been shown to tank a mountain-busting attack like Kirin, esp. when that attack has piercing qualities due to it being Natural Lightning. It had to have been Itachi's V4 Susano'o.
 

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Why is this being discussed. Even if the Hydra could or Manda could tank Kirin's power (they can't) they still can't survive the immense amount of electricity exerted by lightning. 1TW is released by the average lightning bolt that's around 100+ times smaller then Kirin. The whole world only used 16TW in 2006 apparently. So if the Kirin is actually aimed cleanly at the Hydra (it will be), then the summon will take the entire amount of electricity which is impossible to survive given the Hydra's huge size (which is a disadvantage).
 

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Yata can extend, and will extend if it sees further threat. Furthermore, Yata can be aimed at the sky.
Yata Mirror is controlled based on Itachi's mental reactions. It doesn't automatically move and normally, he summons Susano'o with it wielding a shield in front of it. Yata can be aimed at the sky, but in reaction to lightning approaching Itachi? Not a chance.
 

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Yata Mirror is controlled based on Itachi's mental reactions. It doesn't automatically move and normally, he summons Susano'o with it wielding a shield in front of it. Yata can be aimed at the sky, but in reaction to lightning approaching Itachi? Not a chance.
RSM Naruto also canonically dodged a light speed attack from Madara. So Itachi reacting to lightning (which he did mentally), physically, would be no shock to me.

Also, Itachi made Susanoo outside its field and made it stab Nagato. True it's based on his mental reactions but that's all he'd need considering he did react to Kirin.
 

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RSM Naruto also canonically dodged a light speed attack from Madara. So Itachi reacting to lightning (which he did mentally), physically, would be no shock to me.
I don't recall this. If you're referring to Limbo, Limbo clones don't move at the speed of light. They strictly have the user's capabilities.

Also, Itachi made Susanoo outside its field and made it stab Nagato. True it's based on his mental reactions but that's all he'd need considering he did react to Kirin.
Okay, but that doesn't prove that he has mental reactions far faster than Lightning which is needed to summon it and raise Yata Mirror upward the instant before lightning touches the ground.
 

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Yata Mirror is controlled based on Itachi's mental reactions. It doesn't automatically move and normally, he summons Susano'o with it wielding a shield in front of it. Yata can be aimed at the sky, but in reaction to lightning approaching Itachi? Not a chance.
Yata reacts by itself to repel any attack. Itachi does not dictate how it adjusts itself to counter attacks, Yata does that as a part of its ability to change its attributes to that of the incoming attack's.
 

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Yata reacts by itself to repel any attack. Itachi does not dictate how it adjusts itself to counter attacks, Yata does that as a part of its ability to change its attributes to that of the incoming attack's.
That's an automatic reaction to an attack's force, but Yata Mirror won't react on it's own at an approaching projectile. Itachi can't simply move his shield upward as a reaction to Kirin when he'd require reaction speed far greater than Lightning in order to do so.
 

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That's an automatic reaction to an attack's force, but Yata Mirror won't react on it's own at an approaching projectile. Itachi can't simply move his shield upward as a reaction to Kirin when he'd require reaction speed far greater than Lightning in order to do so.
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No reason for me to believe it won't react to any attack when it's a part of the v4 Susano. It's probably associated with Itachi's soul as is its variant, the Kusanagi, associated with Orochimaru's. All his snakes had the Kusanagi sword. You needed to seal his soul to seal the Kusanagi along with it. Similarly, every time Itachi's v3-v4 Susano is manifested the Yata Mirror and Totsuka Sword can appear at will. Hence the Yata would react to protect the Susano as a part of the Susano rather then as an external tool.
 
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I don't recall this. If you're referring to Limbo, Limbo clones don't move at the speed of light. They strictly have the user's capabilities.
Senpou: Ranton Kouga was stated to be lightspeed in Databook and Naruto dodged it.

Okay, but that doesn't prove that he has mental reactions far faster than Lightning which is needed to summon it and raise Yata Mirror upward the instant before lightning touches the ground.
That's your assumption based on preconceived and biased notion that Itachi can't do this. However, Itachi already has shown to be faster than lightning mentally so there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to raise his shield before it strikes him.
 
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