Orochimaru's Ambition.

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Most of us should be familiar with the serpentine-like shinobi by now, and after going through most of the anime/manga, there should be few who aren't aware of what his goal in life was: the mastery of every single ninja technique known to the series. Unfortunately for him, that goal was quite unrealistic, seeing as it would take an endless amount of years to accomplish such a milestone, which led to him developing a kinjutsu capable of transferring his soul into the body of another person, indefinitely increasing his life span, and making his seemingly impossible desire possibe. That would be the Fushi Tensei/Living Corpse Reincarnation technique; for all those who aren't 100% sure of how it works, check out the link:



Now, greatly aiding him in accomplishing this feat was the Uchiha Clan's Kekkai Genkai, the Sharingan, which possesses the unique ability of copying techniques simply through mere observation. Most unfortunately for him, he was ultimately defeated in his desire to obtain the feared dojutsu; first by Itachi, and then by Sasuke, the latter of who resulted in his eternal sealing within a world of drunken stupor by Itachi's Susano'o's Tsokuta Blade.

Here's where I'm stumped; Let's say, hypothetically, that Orochimaru succeeded in stealing Itachi/Sasuke's body and gaining the Sharingan. While its made clear that with the proper container, Orochimaru could potentially live a lifetime within that body, one extra lifetime still isn't enough to learn every single ninja technique there is. He would eventually grow old within Itachi/Sasuke's body, which would leave him with two options:

1. Transfer his soul into another body to avoid death, and lose the Sharingan, as well as all the techniques he's learned in the process.

2. Live within Itachi/Sasuke's body until the very end

Now, in terms of number 1, I'm not sure whether the techniques he'd copied with the Sharingan would be passed on to the new body, since he can't take the Kekkai Genkai with him as he transfers his soul (as it was never originally his to begin with), and the new host most likely hasn't seen all the techniques he would've seen during that time ... or whether he would still be capable of using the techniques, since he'd have vivid memory of them (his soul, anyway) - so perhaps someone can clear that up for me.

In the end though, even with access to the Sharingan, there's no way Orochimare could've mastered every jutsu there is, in addition to creating more, so his ambition seems pretty moot - at least in my opinion.

Any comments/opinions/rebuttals are welcome; I'll do my best to answer them.
 

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he keeps every jutsu of the previous body, including sharingan, when he moves on
 

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I think oro was after the rinnegan, he neede a strong uchiha and he already has dna of the 1st, he was after the sages power.
 

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what i dont get is he helped danzo get his sharingans why not take a few for his self? i mean danzo had a hell of a collection he should/could have taken many from him but didnt ..plot hole or stupidity i say plot hole oro was a lot of things dumb was not among them
 

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He can take the eyes with him, no one stopping him from cutting them out. But yeah when the sharingan copies, the ninja just remembers the justu without all the training themselves. Oro's dream could never come true, people are constantly creating new jutsus and he'd have to travel a lot to encounter those people. But it was his dream nonetheless
 

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what i dont get is he helped danzo get his sharingans why not take a few for his self? i mean danzo had a hell of a collection he should/could have taken many from him but didnt ..plot hole or stupidity i say plot hole oro was a lot of things dumb was not among them

no, oro only gave him the DNA, i think danzo just got the DNA without telling him his true desires and he had the sharingan for himself

either that or this explanation

oro's jutsu take up a lot of chakra, since a lot are forbidden jutsu, so if he had sharingan draining him, he wouldnt be able to use his best kinjutsu, so the only logical solution was to take the body of an uchiha and he wont suffer the side effects
 

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he keeps every jutsu of the previous body, including sharingan, when he moves on
I'm not going to say it's impossible, since is is Orochimaru we're dealing with, but I just don't get how he'd be able to transfer souls and keep the Kekkai Genkai. As for the techniques, I'll agree he'd most likely be able to use them through memory.
 

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Orochimaru is a very tough guy at the first Naruto.His weekness is Genjutsu,Itachi is his number 1 enermy
 

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I'm not going to say it's impossible, since is is Orochimaru we're dealing with, but I just don't get how he'd be able to transfer souls and keep the Kekkai Genkai. As for the techniques, I'll agree he'd most likely be able to use them through memory.

dont forget kekkei genkai are jutsu too, they just travel with him, he doesnt just remember them
 

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I think oro was after the rinnegan, he neede a strong uchiha and he already has dna of the 1st, he was after the sages power.
Ah ... that makes perfect sense - I'm sure he managed to retain some of the First Hokage's DNA during his experiments with Danzo. The only problem now is that he'd need to awaken the EMS, which neither Sasuke or Itachi possessed during his failed attempt to take over Sasuke's body, and I doubt he could awaken it on his own (He wouldn't have felt the pain of loss through killing Sasuke [had he taken Itachi's body] or Itachi [had he taken Sasuke's body] necessary to awaken the MS, since he had no bond with them in particular) - so it's still a lost cause.
 

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dont forget kekkei genkai are jutsu too, they just travel with him, he doesnt just remember them
In terms of Kekkai Genkai, I was referring to the Sharingan, not any of it's techniques (i.e. MS/EMS techniques); because the Sharingan is an exclusive bloodline limit, it could only be passed on to the new host if:

1. The new host was another Uchiha

2. Orochimaru was an Uchiha (Which he certainly isn't)

Hence my confusion, he couldn't possible pass on a genetic ability that his soul didn't possess to the new host. Although now I'm beginning to suspect he'd simply take their eyes, and end up similarly to Kakashi and Danzo (albeit having the Sharingan in both eyes as opposed to one)
 

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He keeps each one of the powers he gains when he changes bodies
 

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Well yeah no duh, that's kind of why he took Sasuke under his wing at an attempt to steal his body when he failed to do so with Itachi.
 

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while it's true that Orochimaru wanted to learn all the techs imaginable, his initial ambition--in order to fulfill that goal--was to live forever. I'm sure a genius like him knew that no matter what there'd always be new techs, but with an immortal soul he could always keep up. whether or not he could "keep" the sharingan probably doesn't matter. when he was at full strength he could take on anyone. if his primary goal--with the Sharingan--was to learn new techs, he could go to any country, fight anyone, copy their techs, and leave. also, i'm sure he could creep into any village's collection of scrolls with forbidden techs in them and use the sharingan to simply scan them like a computer, able to recall anything he wants. so even if he couldn't keep the sharingan, it would serve it's purpose. if he could keep it, he'd eventually become stronger then the Sage of 6 Paths.
although, i have also wondered why he didn't get any Sharingan when he apparently helped Danzo get a bunch of them... It could be that Danzo used Shisui's eye on Oro, ordering him to report any info he came across in his research... Oro and Danzo had something going on and it's possible Shisui's tech had something to do with it. Or not. hopefully we'll learn more about that later
 

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He wanted to live forever and learn all Techniques of the Elemental Continents and failed with his end by Itachi.

End of discussion.

End of Thread.
 

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He wanted to live forever and learn all Techniques of the Elemental Continents and failed with his end by Itachi.

End of discussion.

End of Thread.

are you sure? cuz technically, the man isn't dead. and Itachi said he has a plan to end the Edo Tensei, but only Kabuto and Oro (and now Tobi) know how to do that. and since Itachi's not getting the answer from Kabuto or Tobi, it could be that he plans on releasing Oro to get the info. Oro could make a come back. not that i think Itachi will leave him to do what he wants, but it's always possible... personally, i hope he does come back.
 

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I doubt Kabuto having a few of his cells actually counts. He has his look a bit yes and some of his Technique's but only SOME and he doesn't have the pedo's personality.

Point proven, game won. :-D
 

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while it's true that Orochimaru wanted to learn all the techs imaginable, his initial ambition--in order to fulfill that goal--was to live forever. I'm sure a genius like him knew that no matter what there'd always be new techs, but with an immortal soul he could always keep up. whether or not he could "keep" the sharingan probably doesn't matter. when he was at full strength he could take on anyone. if his primary goal--with the Sharingan--was to learn new techs, he could go to any country, fight anyone, copy their techs, and leave. also, i'm sure he could creep into any village's collection of scrolls with forbidden techs in them and use the sharingan to simply scan them like a computer, able to recall anything he wants. so even if he couldn't keep the sharingan, it would serve it's purpose. if he could keep it, he'd eventually become stronger then the Sage of 6 Paths.
although, i have also wondered why he didn't get any Sharingan when he apparently helped Danzo get a bunch of them... It could be that Danzo used Shisui's eye on Oro, ordering him to report any info he came across in his research... Oro and Danzo had something going on and it's possible Shisui's tech had something to do with it. Or not. hopefully we'll learn more about that later
Good Call, Thanks For Your Insight. It's Making More Sense Now That It Was A Few Moments Ago.
 
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