Orochimaru vs MS Sasuke

[Curse Mark]

Spore still solos doe

 

[Unorthodox]

It would have to be more than rib cage.

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Well Sasuke would never let zetsu run up like that or he would just genjutsu the zetsu that wraps him up.

you'd never ever concede on a uchiha thread.

Vice versa as phuck

 

[HiddenSound]

Well Suigetsu implied the power-up of MS Genjutsu was huge when he said "it's really getting rigged" [

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]. Also, since his chakra got more powerful by merely obtaining MS his 3T Genjutsu came to the point where he could one shot people like Cee

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. Obito also praises Sasuke's Dojutsu skill [

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]. I do believe Hashirama cells would allow Orochimaru to put up resistance to the Genjutsu, but definitely don't see any indication that would suggest he can outright break it quickly.



Yes, he said he couldn't have beat Orochimaru had he not been sick. He did not say that his current self couldn't, but his prior self couldn't. Trained by Orochimaru? Cool, that means they both know about each other. And lol @bold, I've conceded tonnes of times on Uchiha threads, but w/e, don't feel like debating an obvious outcome anyways.

Suigesu didn't mention anything about Genjutsu and didn't explicitly mention how powerful Sasuke's eyes were becoming, just that they were becoming more powerful.
Cee is proficient in Genjutsu but I doubt he's on Orochimaru's level. People say Genjutsu is Orochimaru's weakness but that's simply untrue. He has a 5 in the 3rd DB under Genjutsu, he broke Sasuke's Genjutsu immediately after being placed under it, and he even resisted Itachi's paralysis Genjutsu enough to move.
Under Itachi's paralysis Genjutsu he managed to move his arms from his sides

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almost toward the middle of his chest, and he almost broke it

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Obito wasn't praising the potency of Sasuke's Dojutsu so much as he was praising the use of his Dojutsu. His full MS Genjutsu was blatant enough that Danzo broke it after a few moments. However his very light MS Genjutsu was enough to trick Danzo about one minor detail.

But I will say that I probably never should have brought up the Genjutsu point at all seeing how we're getting nowhere. Orochimaru's exact upgraded resistance to Genjutsu is vague, Sasuke's exact upgrade with MS Genjutsu is vague. Not enough info to actually determine what would happen in that aspect of the fight, I think.

 

[Apêx1]

Suigesu didn't mention anything about Genjutsu and didn't explicitly mention how powerful Sasuke's eyes were becoming, just that they were becoming more powerful.
Cee is proficient in Genjutsu but I doubt he's on Orochimaru's level. People say Genjutsu is Orochimaru's weakness but that's simply untrue. He has a 5 in the 3rd DB under Genjutsu, he broke Sasuke's Genjutsu immediately after being placed under it, and he even resisted Itachi's paralysis Genjutsu enough to move.
Under Itachi's paralysis Genjutsu he managed to move his arms from his sides

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almost toward the middle of his chest, and he almost broke it

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Obito wasn't praising the potency of Sasuke's Dojutsu so much as he was praising the use of his Dojutsu. His full MS Genjutsu was blatant enough that Danzo broke it after a few moments. However his very light MS Genjutsu was enough to trick Danzo about one minor detail.

But I will say that I probably never should have brought up the Genjutsu point at all seeing how we're getting nowhere. Orochimaru's exact upgraded resistance to Genjutsu is vague, Sasuke's exact upgrade with MS Genjutsu is vague. Not enough info to actually determine what would happen in that aspect of the fight, I think.

I agree with you on that, it's up to the reader to decide whether Sasuke's MS upgrade is strong enough to overcome Orochimaru.
Still think MS Sasuke shits though.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke shits. Im not sure why people act like Zetsu spores just appear inside of of people's bodies. Sasuke has sharingan so he'll see them before they can even latch on to him and proceed to form into Zetsu.​

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Not getting past susanoo

He can literally go in ground and attack from under it it's not that har..

 

[Curse Mark]

Sasuke shits. Im not sure why people act like Zetsu spores just appear inside of of people's bodies. Sasuke has sharingan so he'll see them before they can even latch on to him and proceed to form into Zetsu.​

hahahahahahahahha sasuke in canon had 6 different zetsu on him that oro needed to tell him about. his spores cant even be sensed.
you're funny tho

 

[Kagustuchi]

Sasuke wins round 1 but Oro has his chances in 2. Drae or Dkdankong probably would know him the best.

 

[Beans2]

Chidori Nagashi should kill any spores on Sasuke's body.

 

[NarutoX28]

Zetsu Orochimaru should take this due to having Kabuto's Knowledge, potential Sage Mode, and the ability to outlast MS Sasuke with Zetsu spores.

 

[Curse Mark]

Sasuke wins round 1 but Oro has his chances in 2. Drae or Dkdankong probably would know him the best.

Chidori Nagashi should kill any spores on Sasuke's body.

Lel just like Mei melted the ones on her?

 

[Beans2]

Lel just like Mei melted the ones on her?

Are you serious can you not see the melted Zetsu's

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Spores are the most overrated jutsu ever. Onoki one shotted Zetsu spores with weighted boulder. Akatsuchi's tiny golem ripped them off his body and ate them. Kankuro's chakra strings ripped them off Chojuro's body. Chidori nagashi kills them.

Will someone please put up an argument for Orochimaru? Because I do not see how he stands a chance at winning. Genjutsu alone poses trouble for Orochimaru as he can't afford to get caught in it. Oro has to waste chakra and use oral rebirth just to counter Amaterasu, and can't avoid Susanoo arrows which kill all his summons. Nor can he scratch Susanoo. Clones are useless and just get mowed down, and the old mayfly under susanoo+kusanagi snipe argument means nothing because Sasuke will just evade and cut off Oro's head with his chidori sword. Or he can take to the skies on his hawk, set up Kirin, and from there on it's GG.

 

[blazekev90]

Not this topic again...Orochimaru wins.

 

[Draegod]

Are you serious can you not see the melted Zetsu's

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Spores are the most overrated jutsu ever. Onoki one shotted Zetsu spores with weighted boulder. Akatsuchi's tiny golem ripped them off his body and ate them. Kankuro's chakra strings ripped them off Chojuro's body. Chidori nagashi kills them.

Will someone please put up an argument for Orochimaru? Because I do not see how he stands a chance at winning. Genjutsu alone poses trouble for Orochimaru as he can't afford to get caught in it. Oro has to waste chakra and use oral rebirth just to counter Amaterasu, and can't avoid Susanoo arrows which kill all his summons. Nor can he scratch Susanoo. Clones are useless and just get mowed down, and the old mayfly under susanoo+kusanagi snipe argument means nothing because Sasuke will just evade and cut off Oro's head with his chidori sword. Or he can take to the skies on his hawk, set up Kirin, and from there on it's GG.

Lmao you literally have no idea how the spores work despite me owning your ass with them huh? No one knows about the spores when activated, no one sees them (byakugan, sharingan, ms, ems) sasuke literally had 4 spores on him and had no idea! They were on mei when acid must was up yet were uneffected.

He has zero counter to spores fact! But z oru is a over kill tbh, then thinking Kirin would work when he knows sasukes entire move pool snd taught him the Jutsu. Lol please tell me more on how useless other jutsus are he would use!

 

[Curse Mark]

Are you serious can you not see the melted Zetsu's

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Spores are the most overrated jutsu ever. Onoki one shotted Zetsu spores with weighted boulder. Akatsuchi's tiny golem ripped them off his body and ate them. Kankuro's chakra strings ripped them off Chojuro's body. Chidori nagashi kills them.

Will someone please put up an argument for Orochimaru? Because I do not see how he stands a chance at winning. Genjutsu alone poses trouble for Orochimaru as he can't afford to get caught in it. Oro has to waste chakra and use oral rebirth just to counter Amaterasu, and can't avoid Susanoo arrows which kill all his summons. Nor can he scratch Susanoo. Clones are useless and just get mowed down, and the old mayfly under susanoo+kusanagi snipe argument means nothing because Sasuke will just evade and cut off Oro's head with his chidori sword. Or he can take to the skies on his hawk, set up Kirin, and from there on it's GG.

Lol you're dense. Clearly she melted them- that's what I said. Not even gonna bother addressing the rest of it since you dont understand the technique. Mei melted one zetsu head and two instantly grew back as she noted her chakra was being absorbed. Oonoki and Kankuro's techniques are entirely different things than nagashi.

Lmao you literally have no idea how the spores work despite me owning your ass with them huh? No one knows about the spores when activated, no one sees them (byakugan, sharingan, ms, ems) sasuke literally had 4 spores on him and had no idea! They were on mei when acid must was up yet were uneffected.

He has zero counter to spores fact! But z oru is a over kill tbh, then thinking Kirin would work when he knows sasukes entire move pool snd taught him the Jutsu. Lol please tell me more on how useless other jutsus are he would use!

Dont waste your time. Comprehension skills are nonexistent in this case.

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Aoda is Manda's equivalent is size, Superior in Speed, so he cancels out the Summons.

Oro can't survive multiple Enton Arrrows.

Wait. Orochimaru is highly vulnerable to Ocular Genjutsu.

 

[Nattana]

Aoda is Manda's equivalent is size, Superior in Speed, so he cancels out the Summons.

Proof of superiority? IIRC 4th Databook still considered Manda the strongest snake (ofc bar Manda 2 and White Snake Sage).

Oro can't survive multiple Enton Arrrows.

Interesting. Care to elaborate? As far as I remember, Orochimaru took Totsuka straight through his spine, whole chest and and his lower body and kept laughing. Enton Arrows ain't doing shit, except for draining Sasuke even more.

Wait. Orochimaru is highly vulnerable to Ocular Genjutsu.

Wait. He was vulnerable like 20 years ago in NV time.

Wait. During his encounter with Sasuke he repeled Sharingan Genjutsu like it was nothing.

Wait. Is it so hard to believe Orochimaru could improve his Genjutsu abilities? Especially when Databook gives him 5/5 in Genjutsu at the beginning of P1?

 

[Beans2]

Lmao you literally have no idea how the spores work despite me owning your ass with them huh?

:lol. I hope you are not talking about our debate. Because you made the dumbest argument for spores that time. You claimed that Samehada's chakra absorption would be canceled out by the spores' own chakra absorption, under the assumption that "Absorption=absorption." So you just proved my point that spores are an overwanked jutsu.

No one knows about the spores when activated, no one sees them (byakugan, sharingan, ms, ems) sasuke literally had 4 spores on him and had no idea! They were on mei when acid must was up yet were uneffected.

He has zero counter to spores fact! But z oru is a over kill tbh, then thinking Kirin would work when he knows sasukes entire move pool snd taught him the Jutsu. Lol please tell me more on how useless other jutsus are he would use!

-Not knowing about them before they are activated is irrelevant because Sasuke can counter them once they're active.
-They were affected by the acid mist. Do you call this "unaffected"?

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Not to mention a little bit later they've completely fallen off Mei's body and formed a

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All it takes is Sasuke using a Susanoo arm to pull the spores off his body, like Akatsuchi's golem did

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or Kankuro's puppet strings did

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Knowing how Kirin works doesn't do jack for Orochimaru as he still can't counter it. As for the rest of your post, you didn't even address Amaterasu or Susanoo arrows, which Orochimaru has no counter for besides Oral Rebirth which consumes too much of his chakra for it to be a sustainable method. Then there's still genjutsu which means GG for Orochimaru if he gets caught in it. Please actually tell me how Orochimaru counters all these jutsus instead of just calling them "useless" without any explanation :lol.

 

[Curse Mark]

Aoda is Manda's equivalent is size, Superior in Speed, so he cancels out the Summons.

Oro can't survive multiple Enton Arrrows.

Wait. Orochimaru is highly vulnerable to Ocular Genjutsu.

Oro walked out of sasuke's 3T genjutsu, the same one itachi didn't even completely paralyze him with.

 

[Unorthodox]

Im curious how can Orochimaru teach Sasuke a jutsu he does not have himself?