Healthy Orochimaru with access to his arms
ET is restricted
Sasuke can only summon Aoda. All other snake summons including smaller ones are only for Oro.
Intel is Manga
Distance is 20M
Location doesn't matter
Orochimaru loses S1 and wins S2.
Going by intel Sasuke would know most/all of Orochimaru's tricks. He knows Oral Rebirth, he knows about Fushi Tensei, and Orochimaru didn't know about Sasuke's Raiton manipulation. Not only that, but Sasuke even studied up on basic snake physiology to better prepare for his confrontation with Orochimaru.
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Given that Orochimaru may or may not know about Susano'o, he still doesn't have feats that are great enough to get past it.
Zetsu Orochimaru on the other hand should have the intel advantage. This form of Orochimaru has absorbed all of Kabuto's knowledge so he should know all about Sasuke's repertoire
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Meanwhile Sasuke shouldn't know a thing about Zetsu or the fact that Orochimaru can now use all Zetsu abilities.
Basically Zetsu spores + Kusanagi inevitably end it.
And regarding Genjutsu, Zetsu Orochimaru is a sensor. He doesn't need to look Sasuke in the eyes to fight him. In addition, Orochimaru already effortlessly broke Sasuke's Sharingan Genjutsu before. I don't see a reason why Zetsu Orochimaru would succumb to it.
Orochimaru loses S1 and wins S2.
Going by intel Sasuke would know most/all of Orochimaru's tricks. He knows Oral Rebirth, he knows about Fushi Tensei, and Orochimaru didn't know about Sasuke's Raiton manipulation. Not only that, but Sasuke even studied up on basic snake physiology to better prepare for his confrontation with Orochimaru.
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Given that Orochimaru may or may not know about Susano'o, he still doesn't have feats that are great enough to get past it.
Zetsu Orochimaru on the other hand should have the intel advantage. This form of Orochimaru has absorbed all of Kabuto's knowledge so he should know all about Sasuke's repertoire
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Meanwhile Sasuke shouldn't know a thing about Zetsu or the fact that Orochimaru can now use all Zetsu abilities.
Basically Zetsu spores + Kusanagi inevitably end it.
And regarding Genjutsu, Zetsu Orochimaru is a sensor. He doesn't need to look Sasuke in the eyes to fight him. In addition, Orochimaru already effortlessly broke Sasuke's Sharingan Genjutsu before. I don't see a reason why Zetsu Orochimaru would succumb to it.
MS Genjutsu shits on Orochimaru. Nothing indicates he can resist it, and even if he could put up resistance, he'd still get raped by any jutsu Sasuke uses before Orochimaru can escape. It's an established fact that all of Orochimaru's jutsu are useless against the Sharingan.
MS Genjutsu shits on Orochimaru. Nothing indicates he can resist it, and even if he could put up resistance, he'd still get raped by any jutsu Sasuke uses before Orochimaru can escape. It's an established fact that all of Orochimaru's jutsu are useless against the Sharingan.
Itachi is one thing thanks to him being him. Sasuke definitely loses to a healthy oru and up with only ms! I have time to add another easy debate to my list if you're up for it.
Itachi is one thing thanks to him being him. Sasuke definitely loses to a healthy oru and up with only ms! I have time to add another easy debate to my list if you're up for it.
But I'd prefer you to give some of Sasuke's MS Genjutsu feats.
Orochimaru effortlessly broke Sasuke's regular Sharingan Genjutsu without any sort of upgrade. With a body made of Hashirama's cells I question whether or not Sasuke's Genjutsu is enough to stop Orochimaru.
And that's the same sasuke who didn't even wanna take credit for defeating a SICK oru! The same sasuke who was taught abd trained by a sick oru! So if I shit on the genjutsu notion... On second thought, you'd never ever concede on a uchiha thread, so I'll just trash the sasukes susannoo and genjutsu argument so you can then attempt to say something else instead.
But I'd prefer you to give some of Sasuke's MS Genjutsu feats.
Orochimaru effortlessly broke Sasuke's regular Sharingan Genjutsu without any sort of upgrade. With a body made of Hashirama's cells I question whether or not Sasuke's Genjutsu is enough to stop Orochimaru.
Well Suigetsu implied the power-up of MS Genjutsu was huge when he said "it's really getting rigged" [
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]. Also, since his chakra got more powerful by merely obtaining MS his 3T Genjutsu came to the point where he could one shot people like Cee
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. Obito also praises Sasuke's Dojutsu skill [
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]. I do believe Hashirama cells would allow Orochimaru to put up resistance to the Genjutsu, but definitely don't see any indication that would suggest he can outright break it quickly.
And that's the same sasuke who didn't even wanna take credit for defeating a SICK oru! The same sasuke who was taught abd trained by a sick oru! So if I shit on the genjutsu notion... On second thought, you'd never ever concede on a uchiha thread, so I'll just trash the sasukes susannoo and genjutsu argument so you can then attempt to say something else instead.
Yes, he said he couldn't have beat Orochimaru had he not been sick. He did not say that his current self couldn't, but his prior self couldn't. Trained by Orochimaru? Cool, that means they both know about each other. And lol @bold, I've conceded tonnes of times on Uchiha threads, but w/e, don't feel like debating an obvious outcome anyways.
