Orochimaru VS Minato

[Fodder#4]

First of all, Edo Tensei is a jutsu that is fairly well known. Minato should have at least minimal knowledge of it, seeing as how he is the succesor of the Third, who was the student of the Second.

It only makes sense to know about the Second's technique. It was more than renowned.

Contract seal works by taking away a summon from its master, breaking its ''contract''. Not only can that work against Edo Tensei, but it can also work against Manda, since Manda has made it clear more than once he doesn't exactly like Orochimaru.

Orochimaru can may or may not tank a rasengan, but when Minato tags him and starts spamming it he is toast. Oral Rebirth takes a lot of chakra, so there's that.

FTG is also a well renowned Jutsu, that doesn't mean other shinobi, especially those who specialize in seals like Jiraiya, can perform this technique.

And he might have heard of the technique, but it's clear that Hiruzen wouldn't have mentioned it too often. He would have no reason to even inform Minato about the jutsu, it seems like one Hiruzen wanted to keep a secret. His reaction to it was not the best after all.

And I highly doubt that your solution on how to get rid of the bindings on the Edo would be effective, other wise it would have been a solution for the shinobi alliance.

It certainly is easier to do that then having to seal their entire body up, when you could just get into close range. It does make sense, what you're saying. But I highly doubt it's that simple or it would have been mentioned as a way to get rid of the Edo's. And Hiruzen would have been aiming for the heads, where the binding seals are, during his battle.

After all, he does seem to be one of the more knowledgeable shinobi when it comes to this jutsu.

And Orochimaru CAN tank a rasengan if he can take this.

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And if he does tag him, he can easily rid himself of it via Oral rebirth. His limit in a weakened body is four times. If this is Orochimaru who doesn't need to change bodies soon, he would be able to use it a few more times.

And FTG is NOT instant. V2, I will admit is. But there's nothing stopping Orochimaru from countering any Kunai that get close to him with the Kusunagi sword or his own shurkien or Kunai.

One does not need intel to decide to block the attack, but I do assume Orochimaru would have intel on the famous "Yellow Flash".

It's very obvious that the only thing Orochimaru currently has that can come close to leaving a meaningful attack is his Yamata No Orochi form, which is larger than Manda. Who is roughly even with Gamabunta. It was even shoving the "legendary" defense that is Susano'o around for a bit.

Again, both these characters lack the ability to kill each other. If Orochimaru does take a life threatening attack, he has a few ways to survive it. Yamata No Orochi, Oral Rebirth, and the jutsu in the picture above. I sort of don't know the exact name.

We could add in assumptions into the battle, though.. Which would probably lead it to still a draw. Minato being an incomplete sage, which is rumored. And Orochimaru being able to enter DSM thanks to his new "Senju" body.

Again, let's start this a few weeks from now when both opponents have used more impressive jutsu. As of now, Minato COULD win by outlasting him and forcing him to waste his chakra.

But at the same time, the clever Orochimaru could allow a Kunai to come closer enough to him, let Minato and a rasengan hit or nearly hit him and use his Gathering of the snakes jutsu and have the snakes bite and tear at Minato's skin.

So yeah, I'm not declaring who would win. I'm simply saying we lack enough information on both of them. Minato has shown us a handful of his jutsu while Orochimaru was crippled for most of the series and relied on summonings.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

And if he does tag him, he can easily rid himself of it via Oral rebirth.

Can he?

I thought it only removes flesh wounds?

When he uses Oral Rebirth he does not lose his Summoning Tattoo or his necrosated arms.

And FTG is NOT instant.

wat.

 

[Fodder#4]

Can he?

I thought it only removes flesh wounds?

When he uses Oral Rebirth he does not lose his Summoning Tattoo or his necrosated arms.

wat.

FTG isn't instant, it only moves as fast as the kunai does. If it takes five or ten seconds for the Kunai to reach its destination, FTG just took that long. The Kunai don't move at light speed.

And I myself consider FTG started when the Kunai is launched, for version 1 it seems necessary as the FTG seal's are only on that (And Kushina,) and it's how he literally travels. Via his Kunai. Which would not make it instant, not always atleast.

I should have worded that better. With prep it is, but in a random battle it wouldn't be when first used. The Kunai do need to be set up and when thrown at an enemy, they can easily counter it.

And his arms are apart of him. That can never be healed, quite obvious. He recently just got them healed when he got his missing soul arms back. I don't even know why you brought this up.

And as for summoning seals, I don't quite. . Understand Maybe I missed that. But I don't recall him having summoning tattoo's on his body. His snakes themselves seem to just appear. The only summoning jutsu that I see he needed seals for are the Rashmon gates. Which I always thought once you started the summoning jutsu, they naturally appeared from the chakra infused blood.

And Oral Rebirth sheds the skin. If the seal is on his skin, his new "shed" skin will be free of it. I see no reason why the FTG V2 seal would stick to his "new" skin. Unless he is tagged again, but it shouldn't follow.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

FTG v1 is teleporting to tags, stationary targets.

FTG v2 is teleporting to moving targets.

Both are instant.

But I don't recall him having summoning tattoo's on his body.

He does. That's how Kabuto summoned Manda in Part 1. He used Oro's blood and summoning Tattoo.

THe chapter where Jiraiya, Tsunade and Oro fight. You can find it there.

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[Fodder#4]

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FTG v1 is teleporting to tags, stationary targets.

FTG v2 is teleporting to moving targets.

Both are instant.



He does. That's how Kabuto summoned Manda in Part 1. He used Oro's blood and summoning Tattoo.

THe chapter where Jiraiya, Tsunade and Oro fight. You can find it there.

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I should have revised what I said for FTG. The teleportation is instant, but when using it in combat it really isn't. Unless you have prep before hand, it CAN be countered and it won't be instant.

Minato throws several kunai around Orochimaru's body as to teleport from one to another.

Orochimaru counters this by tossing his own kunai to deflect them and throw them off course. He won't teleport unless he gets into the right range, meaning he has to wait for them to get close enough.

Yes, if he marked a target or left a kunai somewhere else then it would be. But when throwing them, he does have to wait.


And regarding the picture, that was part 1. Many things have changed.

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Clearly something has changed, as Orochimaru summons a large amount of snakes without the use of seals. MAYBE those seals are required for larger summons, such as Manda.

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He again summons snakes/uses snake styled jutsu AFTER an Oral rebirth. No seals required. No issues being had.

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He then uses the Kusanagi, a sword that comes out of a snakes mouth that Orochimaru obviously has to summon somehow. He no longer seems to need seals past the first part.

This doesn't even matter, really. Oral rebirth will shed his old skin that is marked. We have no reason to believe that the tag will follow Orochimaru to his new body.

I also don't recall him ever using Oral Rebirth in that battle, so I don't get the idea where the seals would follow him if he did use it from.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Nah, the snakes simply weren't summons.

Manda is a summon, though.

My point was not that he needs a seal but that seals do not disappear when he uses Oral Rebirth and that includes FTG.

 

[Fodder#4]

Nah, the snakes simply weren't summons.

Manda is a summon, though.

My point was not that he needs a seal but that seals do not disappear when he uses Oral Rebirth and that includes FTG.

I'm sorry, I hate doing this but could you provide some proof for this claim? I skimmed through a majority of the battle you proved the scan of him using the seals, but I didn't see him using Oral Rebirth.

I then went to Naruto Wiki and checked there, after looking around It said that the jutsu was first used in 292. Well after the Sannin battle royal. I realize Naruto wiki is not the best source, that's why I checked the manga first. But, with that I can't really agree with that statement. It doesn't seem to have anything backing it. Oral rebirth should rid Orochimaru of the seal.

I'm not totally confident if it would get rid of his own seals, or if it's different. But I suppose they(FTG' seal and Orochimaru's summoning," would be equal in when it comes to the Oral Rebirth. They would probably both be shed.

And I'm fairly confident that they were summoning jutsu. Especially the Formation of ten thousand snakes. I mean, It was said he lacked the ability to use ninjutsu after his hands were sealed. So what else could they be?

 

[arielpk]

Minato lacks the feats to defeat Orochimaru, even more so now that he has a body made of Hashirama's cells.

-Minato draws with Reaper Death Seal when he realizes all his Rasengans are eaten up by Orochimaru.

Who are you talking about?!

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm sorry, I hate doing this but could you provide some proof for this claim? I skimmed through a majority of the battle you proved the scan of him using the seals, but I didn't see him using Oral Rebirth.

I then went to Naruto Wiki and checked there, after looking around It said that the jutsu was first used in 292. Well after the Sannin battle royal. I realize Naruto wiki is not the best source, that's why I checked the manga first. But, with that I can't really agree with that statement. It doesn't seem to have anything backing it. Oral rebirth should rid Orochimaru of the seal.

I'm not totally confident if it would get rid of his own seals, or if it's different. But I suppose they(FTG' seal and Orochimaru's summoning," would be equal in when it comes to the Oral Rebirth. They would probably both be shed.

And I'm fairly confident that they were summoning jutsu. Especially the Formation of ten thousand snakes. I mean, It was said he lacked the ability to use ninjutsu after his hands were sealed. So what else could they be?

What I meant to say is that Orochimaru used Oral Rebirth a couple times in the series and he still has the summoning tattoo.

Oral Rebirth should not clean the seal simply because the seal doesn't cause damage to the body.

Not that it matters anymore...

current Minato stomps Oro.

 

[KidGamer65]

Who are you talking about?!

He possessed a Zetsu. Zetsu is made of Hashirama's clones.

 

[KillerMongoose]

Orochimaru wins with mid difficulty.

 

[Fodder#4]

What I meant to say is that Orochimaru used Oral Rebirth a couple times in the series and he still has the summoning tattoo.

Oral Rebirth should not clean the seal simply because the seal doesn't cause damage to the body.

Not that it matters anymore...

current Minato stomps Oro.

Oral Rebirth would wipe the seal away, the seal would be attached to the old vessel.... And the summoning seal? It was shown one other time, when he and Sasuke fought. Years after the Sannin battle. Weeks/days (Unsure, but it's been quite the time) since he fought the Kyuubi possessed Naruto. So, it's impossible for him to reapply these seals after a battle if they are wiped away by Oral Rebirth?

And I agree with you, it seems highly unlikely that Orochimaru can take out current Minato. And there aren't restrictions... But let's argue for the sake of arguing?

Without restrictions, Orochimaru has Three other Hokage under his control. And technically Minato to. He can both bind him via Zetsu's body/hashirama's cells, and then insert a stronger binding seal, the kunai he and Kabuto use.

And Minato wouldn't have control over the Kyuubi if he was alive, he did say he doubted he could handle it's power and that it was going to break out soon. It's obvious that the Edo Tensei jutsu is helping him with this. That, and the Kyuubi's docile state.

A living Minato vs a living Orochimaru still stands as undecided for me, I'll wait for more jutsu.

A current Minato vs a Current Orochimaru is a hard one, mainly because of the variable included. Does Minato have free will? Does orochimaru have the other Edo Kage? Will they cooperate with him or attempt to break out?

I think there would be need for a different versus thread for a current battle, just because of those variables I've listed.

If Orochimaru can not use the Edo kage, and can not halt Minato's movements... It's obvious a KCM Minato takes this.

If Orochimaru can't bind Minato, but has access to the other Edo Kage and they will cooperate. . Orochimaru has it. Well, it depends if you would want Minato to be living with KCM or an Edo still.

And for the final scenario that comes to mind: Orochimaru with the Edo Kage but he can't control them to their fullest (Like the Hiruzen fight) vs a current (Edo or Living with) KCM Minato... Probably Minato.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

orochimaru summons tobirama and hiruzen. they can provide backup and protection while oro either outlasts or snares minato with poison blood

 

[sanninuto]

well, or is no match for minato that's all there is to say

 

[HiddenSound]

Hard to say. Minato can't do a thing to Orochimaru and I don't see Orochimaru getting a hit on Minato very easily. Either way very high dif.

 

[Oronagato]

Both draw or Orochimaru extremely high difficulty

 

[AverageJoenin]

ancient centurion is an oro fanboy. there is no escaping minato

 

[arielpk]

He possessed a Zetsu. Zetsu is made of Hashirama's clones.

I must have missed that one..

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Lol at people who still think Oro stands a chance
Minato will stomp him almost as hard as Itachi did