Orochimaru vs Jiraiya

[Owarij]

Fool, you're missing the point completly:flaw:
Impure resurrection allows other ninjas to fight for you; that is not 1v1
Its such a power up; if a genin who just graduated from the acadamy trained just to learn IR then they could become so strong and let others fight for them.

urm no they wouldn't , read what i said,thats not how edo tensei works, If they revived a dead ninja, the ninja would kill them, or walk away..
You don't understand it was orochimaru's skill that developed the fuda tags,along with his skill and knowledge of the hokage's jutsu, which he was controlling

 

[EliteKakashi]

what are you talking about?

Edo tensei, does not let you control the summons -

That was the basic edo tensei the 2nd hokage created ^ , the people he revived would have fought with him at their free will

Orochimaru invented the fuda tags which killed their emotions and free will, leaving them up to his control... oro was the one controlling them....just like kabuto was controlling some of the edos...

Kabuto asked madara to fight on his own free will, and show the true power of the uchiha.. Madara followed and fought...If kabuto didn't ask that, he wouldn't know what madara was capable of. and would not be able to fight at his best..which is why controlling the person is much weaker than how they'd be alive... For eg, when kabuto followed nagato, he forgot nagato had chibaku tensei, and remembered near the end, and used it.. you think nagato would do things like that?

Edo tensei requires skill of the user when controlling the summons - Too long didn't read version

as i said, it's a jutsu, orochimaru perfected it

If iruka used edo tensei , He isn't as skileld as oro or kabuto, hed at least have the 2nd's version of edo, which gave the edos free will.. Madara woudl SIMPLY walk away, Possibly thanking him for the revival...

If iruka could control madara, what good would it do? he doesnt know about rinnegan, his ems jutsu, at most he'd use Grand fire ball technique...

No one is degrading Oro over knowing Edo Tensei. It's impressive, obviously. And he's skilled at using it, obviously. However, this is a 1v1 fight. Using Edo Tensei would take that away. I'm well aware that Oro can hold his own vs Jiraiya without Edo Tensei as well. And that's what we're debating here, who is better when it comes down to Orochimaru and Jiraiya by themselves fighting each other. Not Jiraiya vs Orochimaru, Hashirama, Hiruzen and Tobirama, or whoever he would choose to summon.

 

[Owarij]

No one is degrading Oro over knowing Edo Tensei. It's impressive, obviously. And he's skilled at using it, obviously. However, this is a 1v1 fight. Using Edo Tensei would take that away. I'm well aware that Oro can hold his own vs Jiraiya without Edo Tensei as well. And that's what we're debating here, who is better when it comes down to Orochimaru and Jiraiya by themselves fighting each other. Not Jiraiya vs Orochimaru, Hashirama, Hiruzen and Tobirama, or whoever he would choose to summon.

gg , You don't get it,

Hashirama, Tobirama , fighting in real life, would be NOTHING , like how they fought against hiruzen, as i said they were under oro's control, why didn't tobirama use his oh so great space time jutsu? who knows.. it was up to oro... oro and tobirama do not have the same fighting styles...

It's like SASORI... he has their abilities, but it depends on how he uses them...Would you say sasori fighting style is 2v1? he has 198 human puppets we didn't get to see, all which retain their abilities and kkg ....

the third kazekage we saw him use, do you think that was the max extent of his power in real life? no he could have been stronger, or weaker... sasori could have even invented diff jutsu with iron sand....

Its exactly the same with edo tensei... the person isn't fighting, it's oro...

 

[Oronagato]

Lol, what, because his NarutoBase reputation is so much better than mind? It's the internet buddy. I'm not better than he is and vice versa. This is a debate over a manga, it's not life and death. Take a chill pill.

For what? I'm not the one getting all worked up right here.

 

[Oronagato]

Fool, you're missing the point completly:flaw:
Impure resurrection allows other ninjas to fight for you; that is not 1v1
Its such a power up; if a genin who just graduated from the acadamy trained just to learn IR then they could become so strong and let others fight for them.

Are you serious?

 

[Ryuu..]

The point is Oro may have skill in the actual jutsu BUT what we're saying is there is a LACK of skill in letting OTHERS fight your battles

 

[EliteKakashi]

gg , You don't get it,

Hashirama, Tobirama , fighting in real life, would be NOTHING , like how they fought against hiruzen, as i said they were under oro's control, why didn't tobirama use his oh so great space time jutsu? who knows.. it was up to oro... oro and tobirama do not have the same fighting styles...

It's like SASORI... he has their abilities, but it depends on how he uses them...Would you say sasori fighting style is 2v1? he has 198 human puppets we didn't get to see, all which retain their abilities and kkg ....

the third kazekage we saw him use, do you think that was the max extent of his power in real life? no he could have been stronger, or weaker... sasori could have even invented diff jutsu with iron sand....

Its exactly the same with edo tensei... the person isn't fighting, it's oro...

I think you're the one who isn't getting it. I don't care whose control they're under, what techniques they can and can not use, it's still a 2v1 3v1 or 4v1 match, how many ever he summons. Who is controlling it does not change that fact. This match is Orochimaru vs Jiraiya. Not adding 2 or 3 other people, regardless of the control they are under.

And Sasori's entire arsenal is puppets. He's a completely different story. Orochimaru is a legendary sannin who earned that title without using Edo Tensei, and that's the whole point of this match. Who is better between Oro and Jiraiya without giving one an advantage over the other in numbers.

 

[EliteKakashi]

For what? I'm not the one getting all worked up right here.

Getting worked up? Over what? I'm just having a debate with him. You're the one who takes the internet far too seriously, "warning" me to watch who I'm debating with, like he's going to dominate my life for having a fun debate.

 

[Owarij]

Sigh man whatever, ignorance is bliss, can't change your opinion.....

Tell me something, why don't you ever say ma and pa are fighting battles for jiraya?

why? because they are summonings right?

You do realize edo tensei is a summoning jutsu?

and unlike ma and pa, who FIGHT for jiraya,
oro controls the hokages, and fights with them himself?

Double standards

 

[EliteKakashi]

Sigh man whatever, ignorance is bliss, can't change your opinion.....

Tell me something, why don't you ever say ma and pa are fighting battles for jiraya?

why? because they are summonings right?

You do realize edo tensei is a summoning jutsu?

It has nothing to do with my opinion. The topic creater asked who would win between Oro and Jiraiya by themselves, which is exactly why edo tensei is restricted. I'm not sure why you want it unrestricted when his entire reasoning was to debate the 2 fight by themselves.

Ma and Pa are quite a bit different from Edo Tensei, obviously. Jiraiya is still going head on with the opponent, and isn't controlling others to do it for him and it doesn't give him any sort of numbers advantage. Plus, Jiraiya takes quite a while to enter it. He can become vulnerable which gives a huge advantage to the opponent for a decent period of time. While Ma and Pa do help him, it also comes with that disadvantage.

 

[Ryuu..]

Sigh man whatever, ignorance is bliss, can't change your opinion.....

Tell me something, why don't you ever say ma and pa are fighting battles for jiraya?

why? because they are summonings right?

You do realize edo tensei is a summoning jutsu?

and unlike ma and pa, who FIGHT for jiraya,
oro controls the hokages, and fights with them himself?

Double standards

Edo tensei allows for multiple summonings. I'm talking easily 5+ ninjas. That doesn't reflect his true fighting abilities in battle; OTHER ninjas are fighting for him. Why is that so hard for you to understand.U_U

 

[Owarij]

Edo tensei allows for multiple summonings. I'm talking easily 5+ ninjas. That doesn't reflect his true fighting abilities in battle; OTHER ninjas are fighting for him. Why is that so hard for you to understand.U_U

OTHER ninjas are fighting for him.

OTHER NINJAS AREN'T FIGHTING FOR HIM... why don't you understand that?

He's using chakra and controlling them himself...

Summoning ma and pa, <----thats fighting for the person

What madara is currently doing in the manga <----thats fighting for themselves...

Kabuto isn't controlling madara, Madara simply likes to fight, and is doing it on his own free will...

That is NOT, what orochimaru was doing against hiruzen -_- jesus

 

[Rayder]

Whether it's Edo tensei is fair or not in a 1 vs 1 fight it is in his arsenal,he has learned it so well to develop a seal to control the person. If a ninja has something that will give him an advantage then why wouldn't he use it ?
A jutsu is a jutsu dosen't matter how strong it is,even the strongest jutsus are weak if you can't use them well and vice versa. Kamui is incredibly strong but when Kakashi used it for the first time it took 2 shots for it to even hit Deidera's arm. Later when he trained with it and learnt it more he was able to use it on a high speed moving object and a small one at that(nail). It dosen't depend on how strong the jutsu is but how good with it the person wielding it is.

 

[EliteKakashi]

I don't get it. Why can't people understand that this is a fight between Oro and Jiraiya only? I get that Oro controls the Edo Tensei summons. I don't need to hear that another 500 times. The whole point is it creates a numbers advantage. The whole point of this topic was a one on one fight between just Jiraiya and Oro. Not controlling other people to fight for him(and whether he's controlling them or not, they're still taking all the damage and dealing the damage for him, there's no getting around that).

Why is it so hard to follow the topic creators request? I mean, my goodness, it's not like Oro is useless without Edo Tensei. He became legendary without ever using it, surely people who feel Oro are superior can find something to debate for him with that isn't Edo Tensei, right? Cause it's really getting old.

 

[Ryuu..]

OTHER NINJAS AREN'T FIGHTING FOR HIM... why don't you understand that?

He's using chakra and controlling them himself...

Summoning ma and pa, <----thats fighting for the person

What madara is currently doing in the manga <----thats fighting for themselves...

Kabuto isn't controlling madara, Madara simply likes to fight, and is doing it on his own free will...

That is NOT, what orochimaru was doing against hiruzen -_- jesus

If you are Iruka and you summon madara and he use amaterasu...
you summon nagato he uses 6th paths...
you summon Itachi he uses his genjutsu....

OK MY BAD IRUKA IS NOW THE STRONGEST because he can use all those jutsus 'himself' U_U

 

[Owarij]

I don't get it. Why can't people understand that this is a fight between Oro and Jiraiya only? I get that Oro controls the Edo Tensei summons. I don't need to hear that another 500 times. The whole point is it creates a numbers advantage. The whole point of this topic was a one on one fight between just Jiraiya and Oro. Not controlling other people to fight for him(and whether he's controlling them or not, they're still taking all the damage and dealing the damage for him, there's no getting around that).

Why is it so hard to follow the topic creators request? I mean, my goodness, it's not like Oro is useless without Edo Tensei. He became legendary without ever using it, surely people who feel Oro are superior can find something to debate for him with that isn't Edo Tensei, right? Cause it's really getting old.

urm Oro ALREADY , has limited stuff showed in the manga..

like 1 low level wind jutsu which he used against kid sasuke because he was holding back in the forest of death...

Then the next few times we saw him fight, he was sick and had his hands taken away, so couldn't use any jutsu...


For a man who was said to have devoted his life to learning jutsu, and databooks give him 5's , we have seen basically NOTHING from him....

and jiraya? he got about 2 fights where he was healthy, and we've seen his biggest baddest jutsu....


now taking away edo tensei, leaves oro with mostly hype...

 

[Oronagato]

If you are Iruka and you summon madara and he use amaterasu...
you summon nagato he uses 6th paths...
you summon Itachi he uses his genjutsu....

OK MY BAD IRUKA IS NOW THE STRONGEST because he can use all those jutsus 'himself' U_U

why is every post of yours the same. you didn't prove anything at all, so you might as well leave this debate and check out a new thread

 

[Gutsy]

omg this is ridicouless, stick to the freaking topic please.

Jiraiya's summons will create an advantage but oro's summons will create an advantage, now here im talking about snakes and toads, where jiraiya has the upper hand.

Also he will surely make time with all those jutsu in his arsenal to enter SM.

Now ma & pa are not number advantage since they are guiding jiraiya while sitting on his shoulders... and from time to time use a few techniques, but they never leave his side.

Jiraiya will win this if he enters SM

 

[Blaze Release]

why is every post of yours the same. you didn't prove anything at all, so you might as well leave this debate and check out a new thread

lulz, you do know that he created the thread right? xd

 

[EliteKakashi]

urm Oro ALREADY , has limited stuff showed in the manga..

like 1 low level wind jutsu which he used against kid sasuke because he was holding back in the forest of death...

Then the next few times we saw him fight, he was sick and had his hands taken away, so couldn't use any jutsu...


For a man who was said to have devoted his life to learning jutsu, and databooks give him 5's , we have seen basically NOTHING from him....

and jiraya? he got about 2 fights where he was healthy, and we've seen his biggest baddest jutsu....


now taking away edo tensei, leaves oro with mostly hype...

He's shown much more than that..

Such as things like the Eight Branches Technique(his proclaimed ultimate technique), kusanagi, if it came down to it twin snakes, his slithering snake would greatly annoy Jiraiya given it's speed, and he can interrupt Jiraiya's sage mode transformation, he can use reincarnation, he's got snake summonings out the ass, like that 10,000 snake thing he used against Naruto.

That's just a couple. And hell, I don't think anyone is going to argue him knowing just about anything. He knows more about jutsu(and how to use them) than anyone else in the series.

There's plenty of ways to argue for Orochimaru without using just hype.