Orochimaru vs Jiraiya
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If that's Oro's trump card I'm not sure how he became a legendary ninja. Using other people to fight for you is the only way you can compete with elite ninja? Yeah, that reputation wouldn't earn him the elite status.
Using other ninja? its a jutsu.. Yes he was extremely strong prior to edo tensei, but he learnt it , and it was part of his arsenal the last time we saw him healthy and fighting hiruzen
What this is is a restricted fight on his abilities, in which Sure jiraya might win, but i assure you he isnt with edo tensei not restricted
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Yes, using other ninja. They're fighting for him. He's not doing it. It's Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. Not Jiraiya vs 2 or 3 other elite ninja not named Orochimaru. It should be restricted.
And there probably isn't anyone who would win a fight where they're fighting a legendary sannin and 2 other elite caliber ninja...Letting him have that in a 1v1 is stupid.
urm naruto can, hiruzen would have if he was younger, the databook even said that..
Are you mad? many people can fight hiruzen and the incomplete first two hokages....
Kuchyosi no jutsu - edo tensei
^ It's a jutsu, end of argument, chakra is used , he isn't walking up to two alive people and saying , hey , help me beat this guy up...
He is using the 2nd hokages jutsu, which he improved on
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Orochimkaru with extreme difficulty, or Jiraiya.
It's pretty much a draw.
But when Orochimaru invaded the leaf, look what was commented on him:
"His powers, which can easily be considered Kage-level, were so great that during the time of his invasion in Konoha, the Third Hokage feared no one in the village would be able to defeat him or fight on equal footing with him, even the Third himself. Even Kakashi, one of Konoha's greatest shinobi, was filled with tremendous fear when he met him during the Chūnin Exams, and himself admitted he wouldn't even stand a chance against his power."
So wasn't jiraiya part of the leaf village?
It's pretty much a draw.
But when Orochimaru invaded the leaf, look what was commented on him:
"His powers, which can easily be considered Kage-level, were so great that during the time of his invasion in Konoha, the Third Hokage feared no one in the village would be able to defeat him or fight on equal footing with him, even the Third himself. Even Kakashi, one of Konoha's greatest shinobi, was filled with tremendous fear when he met him during the Chūnin Exams, and himself admitted he wouldn't even stand a chance against his power."
So wasn't jiraiya part of the leaf village?
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Despite this, Oro is not actually fighting; thats like iruka training to learn impure ressurection and then letting Madara fight his fights.... ok it's not that extreme but that is the general point.
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Hiruzen only accomplished it because he used the death god. He didn't do it because he was more skilled. And in his prime? Maybe, but I still doubt it. without having to resort to extreme measures. And then after that still having to fight Orochimaru.
I'm well aware it's a jutsu. That doesn't change the fact that it takes it from a 1v1 to a 3v1 or how many ever people he decides to summon. And it really didn't seem to take THAT much chakra from him at all, so that's not really a reason. to allow it to be used.
And am I mad? No, not at all. But I do love how no one can have a debate anymore without someone having to resort to childish remarks such as that.
Also, fighting Hiruzen and the first 2 kages? Lol..come on now. Naruto of now would struggle mightily with that, probably even lose. People like to think of this Naruto as unbeatable for whatever reason, even though Tobi hasn't even began to sweat yet.
If a man can bench press 1000 pounds, then obviously he can bench press 300. IWR is the strongest jutsu in the universe, so learning that jutsu would obviously mean you know countless other weaker, but still strong, jutsus. So Iruka learning IWR would mean he possess other Kage level jutsus or has potential to master Kage level jutsus, which he obviously doesn't.
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Lol, what, because his NarutoBase reputation is so much better than mind? It's the internet buddy. I'm not better than he is and vice versa. This is a debate over a manga, it's not life and death. Take a chill pill.
what are you talking about?
Edo tensei, does not let you control the summons -
That was the basic edo tensei the 2nd hokage created ^ , the people he revived would have fought with him at their free will
Orochimaru invented the fuda tags which killed their emotions and free will, leaving them up to his control... oro was the one controlling them....just like kabuto was controlling some of the edos...
Kabuto asked madara to fight on his own free will, and show the true power of the uchiha.. Madara followed and fought...If kabuto didn't ask that, he wouldn't know what madara was capable of. and would not be able to fight at his best..which is why controlling the person is much weaker than how they'd be alive... For eg, when kabuto followed nagato, he forgot nagato had chibaku tensei, and remembered near the end, and used it.. you think nagato would do things like that?
Edo tensei requires skill of the user when controlling the summons - Too long didn't read version
as i said, it's a jutsu, orochimaru perfected it
If iruka used edo tensei , He isn't as skileld as oro or kabuto, hed at least have the 2nd's version of edo, which gave the edos free will.. Madara woudl SIMPLY walk away, Possibly thanking him for the revival...
If iruka could control madara, what good would it do? he doesnt know about rinnegan, his ems jutsu, at most he'd use Grand fire ball technique...
Fool, you're missing the point completly:flaw:
Impure resurrection allows other ninjas to fight for you; that is not 1v1
Its such a power up; if a genin who just graduated from the acadamy trained just to learn IR then they could become so strong and let others fight for them.