Orochimaru the Snake
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huhh do you think that there are stronger then oro
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Orochimaru the Snake
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Madara (current) Kisame Konan Danzo Jiraiya deidara i think he is stronger then
and i think he's about even with Naruto Sasuke and killer bee if not a bit weaker
time for logic crushing
Oro has shown almost none of his tech's and his know to be almost as good as Itachi when it comes to genjutsu (said by Kishi) the data book says that he has a perfect 5 out of 5 in genjutsu
Oro is also quite possibly the best ninjutsu user in the series and is way better then Itachi when it comes to ninjutsu better then Jiraiya and Kakashi too
Oro has been working his entire life to learn every ninjutsu he is way better then Itachi when it comes to it
but not Orochimaru
Tsunade was the one who did most of the work in the fight when Jiaiya was about to be killed by Manda Tsunade pinned him then Punched Oro in the face at least ten times (Kabuto said that 1 punch could kill some one) and that made him leave and it did not even bug him
Kyuubi Naruto ripped him in half and his body reattached its self
Oro knows the giant swamp jutsu too and Oro's hydra form is the size of 8 manda's you can't even compare the first giant snake to Manda if he gets stuck it would take a long time for the swamp to sink that snake and Oro could just revert to his white snake form
any proof that Sage mode is faster then the 4th gate
his body was giving out at the time too so he was weakend
plus Oro did not run if anything the fight was a draw Oro hit the 4tails with the kusagari sword and sent the 4 tails a few killmeters away
how the hell would naruto even hope to stand up to Oro with out Kyuubi powers
Hell Oro could just do a repeat of their first fight and seal his chakra
no way Itachi could beat the 6 tails
the Kusagari sword can damage diamond the raikage and Danzo can Break Susano'o armor the Kusagari could tottay Brake through susano'o
ok i agree that about half of these guys are stronger then orochimaru
Madara (current) Kisame Konan Danzo Jiraiya deidara i think he is stronger then
and i think he's about even with Naruto Sasuke and killer bee if not a bit weaker
time for logic crushing
Ok this you have to be joking about
Oro has shown almost none of his tech's and his know to be almost as good as Itachi when it comes to genjutsu (said by Kishi) the data book says that he has a perfect 5 out of 5 in genjutsu
Oro is also quite possibly the best ninjutsu user in the series and is way better then Itachi when it comes to ninjutsu better then Jiraiya and Kakashi too
Oro has been working his entire life to learn every ninjutsu he is way better then Itachi when it comes to it
yeah Jiraiya could beat the crap out of Jiraiya in Sage mode
but not Orochimaru
you are ignoring Oro's haddicap of not being able to use any jutsu or his arms that's just as bad a handicap if not bigger then Jiraiya's
Tsunade was the one who did most of the work in the fight when Jiaiya was about to be killed by Manda Tsunade pinned him then Punched Oro in the face at least ten times (Kabuto said that 1 punch could kill some one) and that made him leave and it did not even bug him
Tai is tottaly useless against Oro Tsunade is just as strong as a sage mode punch and Punched Oro in the face at least 10 times and oro shrugged it off
Kyuubi Naruto ripped him in half and his body reattached its self
Oro knows the giant swamp jutsu too and Oro's hydra form is the size of 8 manda's you can't even compare the first giant snake to Manda if he gets stuck it would take a long time for the swamp to sink that snake and Oro could just revert to his white snake form
any proof that Sage mode is faster then the 4th gate
Oro out right said he was playing with the 4 tails he was easily defending everything thrown at him but the bijuu blast
his body was giving out at the time too so he was weakend
plus Oro did not run if anything the fight was a draw Oro hit the 4tails with the kusagari sword and sent the 4 tails a few killmeters away
i never said that if anything it was weaker because he did not have rejen back then
that is stupid that seal that Naruto used was in his head he can't use it in the real world
how the hell would naruto even hope to stand up to Oro with out Kyuubi powers
Hell Oro could just do a repeat of their first fight and seal his chakra
with a sick body while sasuke could only shed once before becoming tiredWow hw didnt use subs its amazingHe did shed his skin like 10 times:|.
Itachi beat the 4 tails no
no way Itachi could beat the 6 tails
who said that Susano'o was harder then 4 tails chakra if anything it proves how hard the 4 tails chakra is
the Kusagari sword can damage diamond the raikage and Danzo can Break Susano'o armor the Kusagari could tottay Brake through susano'o
the point of a shield is to protect the body so it does not get pirced if susano'o could defend against the kusagari he would not need the shield
Re: orochimaru is stronger than itachi
I really ,really don't understand people like you....if he's your favourite character you're just gonna argue with everyone that says something bad about orochimaru ?
Re: orochimaru is stronger than itachi
anyway....I found out it's pointless arguing with fanboys...there was one guy named eternalsasukeuchiha or something like that that thought that sasuke is the center of the universe....now we have the same situation with orochimaru....the most pathetic character who killed hundreds of people just for his experiments...
anyway....I found out it's pointless arguing with fanboys...there was one guy named eternalsasukeuchiha or something like that that thought that sasuke is the center of the universe....now we have the same situation with orochimaru....the most pathetic character who killed hundreds of people just for his experiments...
StealthShinobi
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You cant compare Naruto and Sasuke to Oro because they're way stronger now(both surpassed thier masters back when sasuke got his MS and when Naruto mastered SM).
2)True but Itachi's genjutsu is still better.
3)Jiraya can beat Oro but he would be suverley injured.
4)Even if Tai is useless against Oro but so is genjutsu against Jiraya because if Oro tried to put Jiraya under a genjutsu the frogs stuck on his shoulder can inject thier chackra into him and break him out of the genjutsu....
5)I think that its faster but you're right there's no proof because it has never been stated in the manga but nevertheless he's still faster than Oro.
6)We dont really know that.
7)He can just put him under a genjutsu with his sharingan or he can seal it with the sword.
1)He's indeed stronger than Konan and Danzo but he's not stronger than the rest,Oro cant defeat madara because he doesnt know how his jutsu work...
You cant compare Naruto and Sasuke to Oro because they're way stronger now(both surpassed thier masters back when sasuke got his MS and when Naruto mastered SM).
2)True but Itachi's genjutsu is still better.
3)Jiraya can beat Oro but he would be suverley injured.
4)Even if Tai is useless against Oro but so is genjutsu against Jiraya because if Oro tried to put Jiraya under a genjutsu the frogs stuck on his shoulder can inject thier chackra into him and break him out of the genjutsu....
5)I think that its faster but you're right there's no proof because it has never been stated in the manga but nevertheless he's still faster than Oro.
6)We dont really know that.
7)He can just put him under a genjutsu with his sharingan or he can seal it with the sword.
Orochimaru the Snake
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1 ok I'm quite Sure that Oro is stronger then Deidara and Kisame
as for Madara ton's of people figered out how his tech worked and none of them were smarter then Oro Im also quite sure that Oro would put up a good fight with Sasuke or Naruto but would lose
2 yep tottaly true
3 thats also true but Oro can do the same to Jiraiya Oro pawns normal jiraya and fights about even with Sage mode jiraiya Id say they are about the same in power then
4 true
5 deabatable but i can under stand jiraiya being faster
6 also true
7 i doubt the Tsuoka sword can cut the kyuubi cloak the Kusagari could not
over all you made a vaild agrument and i commend you for it
good Job you actully put out a valid agaument
1 ok I'm quite Sure that Oro is stronger then Deidara and Kisame
as for Madara ton's of people figered out how his tech worked and none of them were smarter then Oro Im also quite sure that Oro would put up a good fight with Sasuke or Naruto but would lose
2 yep tottaly true
3 thats also true but Oro can do the same to Jiraiya Oro pawns normal jiraya and fights about even with Sage mode jiraiya Id say they are about the same in power then
4 true
5 deabatable but i can under stand jiraiya being faster
6 also true
7 i doubt the Tsuoka sword can cut the kyuubi cloak the Kusagari could not
over all you made a vaild agrument and i commend you for it
Zigi Uchiha
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Okay , here is why Itachi would defeat Jiraiya in fight :
Taijutsu - Jiraiya is slightly better in his Sage mode , but Itachi's taijutsu is great aswell
Ninjutsu - They are both awesome in ninjutsu , although Itachi is better due to Amaterasu and Susano'o that is kinda invincible with those spirit items and Jiraiya had nothing that can compare with that .
Genjutsu - Itachi pawns Jiraiya in this 1 without a doubt
Experience - Well , Jiraiya had more experience , but Itachi was very experienced fighter aswell , so its not big difference.
Intelligence - well , both are smart as hell so no1 is kinda favored in Intelligence
Hand Signs - this 1 go to Itachi since he maybe had the fastest Hand Signs in Narutoverse.
Chakra - this goes slightly to Itachi i think since he got exceptional chakra since he is an Uchiha.
So , we can say that Jiraiya is winning while fighting with taijutsu in Sage Mode , but he will have a big problem countering Itachi's genjutsus , then we can say they would be equal while fighting with ninjutsu skills , even if we say that Jiraiya was able to counter Itachi's genjutsus which is hard as hell and i doubt he could do it , there comes Susano'o that is making a change between them bcoz Jiraiya cant handle it and thats why Itachi wins this 1
And there is a question would Jiraiya be able to go in Sage Mode while fighting with Itachi since he need some time for it and maybe Itachi would prevent Jiraiya from doing it.
I like Jiraiya and he is strong as hell , but Itachi is the strongest among the Uchihas and 1 of the strongest from Akatsuki aswell.
And if u think that Jiraiya is stronger bcoz Itachi ran away from Jiraiya when he infiltrated Konoha with Kisame , remember , he was on good side and he didnt wanted to kill strongest ninja that konoha had since he was doing everything for the sake of konoha
Okay , here is why Itachi would defeat Jiraiya in fight :
Taijutsu - Jiraiya is slightly better in his Sage mode , but Itachi's taijutsu is great aswell
Ninjutsu - They are both awesome in ninjutsu , although Itachi is better due to Amaterasu and Susano'o that is kinda invincible with those spirit items and Jiraiya had nothing that can compare with that .
Genjutsu - Itachi pawns Jiraiya in this 1 without a doubt
Experience - Well , Jiraiya had more experience , but Itachi was very experienced fighter aswell , so its not big difference.
Intelligence - well , both are smart as hell so no1 is kinda favored in Intelligence
Hand Signs - this 1 go to Itachi since he maybe had the fastest Hand Signs in Narutoverse.
Chakra - this goes slightly to Itachi i think since he got exceptional chakra since he is an Uchiha.
So , we can say that Jiraiya is winning while fighting with taijutsu in Sage Mode , but he will have a big problem countering Itachi's genjutsus , then we can say they would be equal while fighting with ninjutsu skills , even if we say that Jiraiya was able to counter Itachi's genjutsus which is hard as hell and i doubt he could do it , there comes Susano'o that is making a change between them bcoz Jiraiya cant handle it and thats why Itachi wins this 1
And there is a question would Jiraiya be able to go in Sage Mode while fighting with Itachi since he need some time for it and maybe Itachi would prevent Jiraiya from doing it.
I like Jiraiya and he is strong as hell , but Itachi is the strongest among the Uchihas and 1 of the strongest from Akatsuki aswell.
And if u think that Jiraiya is stronger bcoz Itachi ran away from Jiraiya when he infiltrated Konoha with Kisame , remember , he was on good side and he didnt wanted to kill strongest ninja that konoha had since he was doing everything for the sake of konoha
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Oro dosen`t stand a chance! Even with edo tensei, oro would be in a gen before he could say edo and then he would be in the same state as kakashi when he meet itachi! sorry man oro was strong early on and the best main villin but not agaisnt Itachi and new state naruto.
there is a reason that kabuto and oro fused, and made a better edo tensei. they needed a powerup to stey tune in this serie!
Oro dosen`t stand a chance! Even with edo tensei, oro would be in a gen before he could say edo and then he would be in the same state as kakashi when he meet itachi! sorry man oro was strong early on and the best main villin but not agaisnt Itachi and new state naruto.
there is a reason that kabuto and oro fused, and made a better edo tensei. they needed a powerup to stey tune in this serie!
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And when you talk about chakra :
Itachi has strong chakra ( being an Uchiha ) but Jiraiya has a larger amount of chakra . Because you need a very large amount of chakra to use Sage mode .
When you say that Sage mode taijutsu is a bit stronger than Itachi's Taijutsu , you are wrong my friend .
Sage mode Taijutsu is much better than Itachi's Taijutsu ( not saying that his is rubbish )
And when you talk about experience , Jiraiya is almost 50 or + and Itachi must be in his twenties :O that just tells you the difference of experience between Jiraiya and Itachi !
Itachi himself said that he would loose or draw if he fights Jiraiya ( a Sannin )Okay , here is why Itachi would defeat Jiraiya in fight :
Taijutsu - Jiraiya is slightly better in his Sage mode , but Itachi's taijutsu is great aswell
Ninjutsu - They are both awesome in ninjutsu , although Itachi is better due to Amaterasu and Susano'o that is kinda invincible with those spirit items and Jiraiya had nothing that can compare with that .
Genjutsu - Itachi pawns Jiraiya in this 1 without a doubt
Experience - Well , Jiraiya had more experience , but Itachi was very experienced fighter aswell , so its not big difference.
Intelligence - well , both are smart as hell so no1 is kinda favored in Intelligence
Hand Signs - this 1 go to Itachi since he maybe had the fastest Hand Signs in Narutoverse.
Chakra - this goes slightly to Itachi i think since he got exceptional chakra since he is an Uchiha.
So , we can say that Jiraiya is winning while fighting with taijutsu in Sage Mode , but he will have a big problem countering Itachi's genjutsus , then we can say they would be equal while fighting with ninjutsu skills , even if we say that Jiraiya was able to counter Itachi's genjutsus which is hard as hell and i doubt he could do it , there comes Susano'o that is making a change between them bcoz Jiraiya cant handle it and thats why Itachi wins this 1
And there is a question would Jiraiya be able to go in Sage Mode while fighting with Itachi since he need some time for it and maybe Itachi would prevent Jiraiya from doing it.
I like Jiraiya and he is strong as hell , but Itachi is the strongest among the Uchihas and 1 of the strongest from Akatsuki aswell.
And if u think that Jiraiya is stronger bcoz Itachi ran away from Jiraiya when he infiltrated Konoha with Kisame , remember , he was on good side and he didnt wanted to kill strongest ninja that konoha had since he was doing everything for the sake of konoha
And when you talk about chakra :
Itachi has strong chakra ( being an Uchiha ) but Jiraiya has a larger amount of chakra . Because you need a very large amount of chakra to use Sage mode .
When you say that Sage mode taijutsu is a bit stronger than Itachi's Taijutsu , you are wrong my friend .
Sage mode Taijutsu is much better than Itachi's Taijutsu ( not saying that his is rubbish )
And when you talk about experience , Jiraiya is almost 50 or + and Itachi must be in his twenties :O that just tells you the difference of experience between Jiraiya and Itachi !
Naruto1Bleach1
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ok i see most of u guys talking up the uchiha power like its come free like that............ if itachi does tsukiomi,Ametsaru,and sasano more than once or twice and twice is really pushing it he will be out of chakra (example when he infiltraited Konoha with kisame after 1 tsukiomi and 1 ametsaru, he was almost out of chakra, during his fight with sasuke same thing happened again
after tsukiomi and ametsaru but he managed to pull out sasano but died shortly after) so the key here to beat him is break tsukiomi (which i most say unless u have a sharingan is gonna be ALMOST impossible) avoid ametsaru (if u are fast enough shouldn't be too hard) then just then just keep the pressure on Itachi once he use's sasano (because he can't keep it up for too long) and thats my theory on how to beat itachi (but in a ninja fight think never go as u think they will so). Now ofcourse there is noway in hell Orochimaru could pull all that off but there are ppl who can.
Now @this Orochimaru fanboy ok dude how can u like a character that much?
its a Anime........ur defending Orochimaru like he is ur ****ing dad or something common be realistick here even when u see the solid faxs right in front of u u still can't accept the truth......talking about Orochimaru is just as good in Genjutsu and Itachi? are u nuts? Itachi is a Genjutsu expert Orochimaru was only shown using 1 genjutsu and that was like a silly c or B rank Genjutsu (unless u count he body change ritual because thats a Genjutsu aswell but not 1 that can be used during a fight) where as Itachi only needs 1 finger to trap u in a Genjutsu......fact it there is noway Orochimaru can beat Itachi so end of that......Now about dedara all he needs to do is C4 and Orchimaru is done for because with out the sharingan to see the mini bombs he wouldn't kno wat to do. Now for Kisame........ First off Kisame as chakra lvl as high as a jinchuriki that on top of the fact that he canstantly drains ur chakra while he fights u he as jutsu that obsorbs ur chakra to make it self stronger he has mad regen. ( u kno when i think about it eveyone is gravely under estimating kisame because basically ninjutsu can't work on him he will just absore the chakra,Genjutsu won't work his sword can't disrupt his chakra and snap him out of it only thing that can work is Taijutsu and that is the only reason Guy beat him so all u guys who think he is weak because he got beat by Guy stop thinking so because that was just a huge miss match) Now for Danzo i don't like him at all but he can still beat orchimaru, sure Orchimaru did the surgery on him to give him all those Sharingan and the senju DNA but take in what this man can do....( he as Izangi we all kno what that can do, he has that right eye that can control ur mind with out u even knowing.so common what can Orochimaru do against that? U would think since he did all that for Danzo he would aleast take 2 Shringan for him self and transplant them in his eyes since he wants the shringan so bad cause really Danzo as ten in his ****ing arm. Thats my 2 cents on this matter.
ok i see most of u guys talking up the uchiha power like its come free like that............ if itachi does tsukiomi,Ametsaru,and sasano more than once or twice and twice is really pushing it he will be out of chakra (example when he infiltraited Konoha with kisame after 1 tsukiomi and 1 ametsaru, he was almost out of chakra, during his fight with sasuke same thing happened again
after tsukiomi and ametsaru but he managed to pull out sasano but died shortly after) so the key here to beat him is break tsukiomi (which i most say unless u have a sharingan is gonna be ALMOST impossible) avoid ametsaru (if u are fast enough shouldn't be too hard) then just then just keep the pressure on Itachi once he use's sasano (because he can't keep it up for too long) and thats my theory on how to beat itachi (but in a ninja fight think never go as u think they will so
). Now ofcourse there is noway in hell Orochimaru could pull all that off but there are ppl who can.Now @this Orochimaru fanboy ok dude how can u like a character that much?
its a Anime........ur defending Orochimaru like he is ur ****ing dad or something common be realistick here even when u see the solid faxs right in front of u u still can't accept the truth......talking about Orochimaru is just as good in Genjutsu and Itachi? are u nuts? Itachi is a Genjutsu expert Orochimaru was only shown using 1 genjutsu and that was like a silly c or B rank Genjutsu (unless u count he body change ritual because thats a Genjutsu aswell but not 1 that can be used during a fight) where as Itachi only needs 1 finger to trap u in a Genjutsu......fact it there is noway Orochimaru can beat Itachi so end of that......Now about dedara all he needs to do is C4 and Orchimaru is done for because with out the sharingan to see the mini bombs he wouldn't kno wat to do. Now for Kisame........ First off Kisame as chakra lvl as high as a jinchuriki that on top of the fact that he canstantly drains ur chakra while he fights u he as jutsu that obsorbs ur chakra to make it self stronger he has mad regen. ( u kno when i think about it eveyone is gravely under estimating kisame because basically ninjutsu can't work on him he will just absore the chakra,Genjutsu won't work his sword can't disrupt his chakra and snap him out of it only thing that can work is Taijutsu and that is the only reason Guy beat him so all u guys who think he is weak because he got beat by Guy stop thinking so because that was just a huge miss match) Now for Danzo i don't like him at all but he can still beat orchimaru, sure Orchimaru did the surgery on him to give him all those Sharingan and the senju DNA but take in what this man can do....( he as Izangi we all kno what that can do, he has that right eye that can control ur mind with out u even knowing.so common what can Orochimaru do against that? U would think since he did all that for Danzo he would aleast take 2 Shringan for him self and transplant them in his eyes since he wants the shringan so bad cause really Danzo as ten in his ****ing arm. Thats my 2 cents on this matter.
Re: orochimaru is stronger than itachi
Ok, well, naruto has rasen shuriken and sage mode, if he started fighting in sage mode at least. Naruto is much stronger than kakashi, even without the kyuubi, kakashi stated that himself. He is probably much stronger than jiriaya (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) and jiriaya is about as strong as oro, so I think naruto, currently, without kyuubi would beat oro, but hed be severely injured too.
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Itachi would totally kill him. One reason like everyone else said all he needs to do is point a finger at you and your caught in a Genjutsu. He has MS(enough said about that) And when he was in Akatsuki itachi pwned him and he left Akatsuki. And naruto and sasuke are also stronger than him. Sasuke beat Orochimaru(in his white snake form) easily and sealed him in his body. Naruto defeated all six paths and it was even said that Naruto was stronger than Sasuke(at that time)! So that tells you that Sasuke and Naruto's definitely stronger than Oro.
Fan boys are the worst.
I might be a fan of Itachi but i don't go around saying that he's stronger than than the Sage Of Six Paths!
Your saying that Orochimaru is smarter than the fourth hokage?
Itachi would totally kill him. One reason like everyone else said all he needs to do is point a finger at you and your caught in a Genjutsu. He has MS(enough said about that) And when he was in Akatsuki itachi pwned him and he left Akatsuki. And naruto and sasuke are also stronger than him. Sasuke beat Orochimaru(in his white snake form) easily and sealed him in his body. Naruto defeated all six paths and it was even said that Naruto was stronger than Sasuke(at that time)! So that tells you that Sasuke and Naruto's definitely stronger than Oro.
Fan boys are the worst.
I might be a fan of Itachi but i don't go around saying that he's stronger than than the Sage Of Six Paths!
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You know I've been arguying in the thread "Seriously now..." which consists of an imaginary fight than never happened between Jiraiya and Itachi. It's hard to know who would win we just base our arguments on facts from both characters. tough really... tough...
I haven't read all the posts from this forum but I've schemed through it, and I saw a lot of Itachi WOULD bit Orochimaru... It seems like this thread is sooooooooooo useless cause... we don't have to suppose, value and compare each other's capacities and all ... we just have to look back in the manga.
Itachi owned Orochimaru... Twice. Approximately 10 sec per fight. It's a FACT, not a supposition. So really I'm wondering... Why does this thread has 7 pages :S ?! What is there to discuss xD (Especially since the second time he defeated Orochimaru, he was dying, SHARINGANLESS, blind, and completely out of chakra).
You know I've been arguying in the thread "Seriously now..." which consists of an imaginary fight than never happened between Jiraiya and Itachi. It's hard to know who would win we just base our arguments on facts from both characters. tough really... tough...
I haven't read all the posts from this forum but I've schemed through it, and I saw a lot of Itachi WOULD bit Orochimaru... It seems like this thread is sooooooooooo useless cause... we don't have to suppose, value and compare each other's capacities and all ... we just have to look back in the manga.
Itachi owned Orochimaru... Twice. Approximately 10 sec per fight. It's a FACT, not a supposition. So really I'm wondering... Why does this thread has 7 pages :S ?! What is there to discuss xD (Especially since the second time he defeated Orochimaru, he was dying, SHARINGANLESS, blind, and completely out of chakra).
Zigi Uchiha
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On the other had we are not sure that Itachi would let Jiraiya to go to Sage Mode after all.
And about experience , well Jiraiya got a lot more experience for sure , but Itachi is experienced fighter aswell , so experience would not make a big difference between these 2.
And about Itachi saying that he would loose from Jiraiya or ending as a draw , im not sure he even said that .
If u think about talking to Kisame after Infiltrating Konoha , he maybe said that in order to keep his real intentions from Kisame , so Kisame wouldnt doubt about it.
He didnt wanted to kill Jiraiya or capture Naruto at that time , but he needed Kisame to believe in that , so thats why said that Jiraiya would kill him since he needed to come up with some reason for running away because Kisame was expecting killing Jiraiya and capturing Naruto scenario
Well , u are right , Jiraiyas Taijutsu is better when in Sage Mode but Itachi surely can keep up with him to some point .Itachi himself said that he would loose or draw if he fights Jiraiya ( a Sannin )
And when you talk about chakra :
Itachi has strong chakra ( being an Uchiha ) but Jiraiya has a larger amount of chakra . Because you need a very large amount of chakra to use Sage mode .
When you say that Sage mode taijutsu is a bit stronger than Itachi's Taijutsu , you are wrong my friend .
Sage mode Taijutsu is much better than Itachi's Taijutsu ( not saying that his is rubbish )
And when you talk about experience , Jiraiya is almost 50 or + and Itachi must be in his twenties :O that just tells you the difference of experience between Jiraiya and Itachi !
On the other had we are not sure that Itachi would let Jiraiya to go to Sage Mode after all.
And about experience , well Jiraiya got a lot more experience for sure , but Itachi is experienced fighter aswell , so experience would not make a big difference between these 2.
And about Itachi saying that he would loose from Jiraiya or ending as a draw , im not sure he even said that .
If u think about talking to Kisame after Infiltrating Konoha , he maybe said that in order to keep his real intentions from Kisame , so Kisame wouldnt doubt about it.
He didnt wanted to kill Jiraiya or capture Naruto at that time , but he needed Kisame to believe in that , so thats why said that Jiraiya would kill him since he needed to come up with some reason for running away because Kisame was expecting killing Jiraiya and capturing Naruto scenario
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Re: orochimaru is stronger than itachi
damn i will put this in words u can understand sasuke can beat oro and itachi can beat sasuke so that means itachi is way stronger than oro and before u say that sasuke is stronger than itachi because he killed him...well he actually let sasuke kill him and he hurt him badly is because he wanted oro to come out and then he wanted to kill oro forever and ever like he did and if that saringan wasn't stronger than why would oro would go through so much trouble to get it with sasuke and itachi?
~Naruto&Itachi~
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Re: orochimaru is stronger than itachi
r u kidding me this is like saying sasuke is stronger than naruto...itachi said that kisame so he wouldn't have to kill jiraya and capture naruto