Judging by what im reading it seems people think minato has an infinite chakra reserve to spam summonings, but also an infinite ftg kunai's. Ill keep a close eye on this thread just for the lolz
snake>toads?
ma and pa>manda:scorps:
jk but thats a maybe on the ma and pa> manda thing.
pretty sure it doesnt take much chakra to summon some toads tbh
plus he can just summon gamabunta and gama can bring reinforcement without having minato to waste his chakra on the reinforcements. speculation tho.
You CANNOT apply this logic to Naruto. This is NOT DragonballZ where it means that since Goku can defeat Majin Buu, Goku can defeat Frieza because it pretty much just comes down to who has the bigger energy blast.
In Naruto, there are abilities that are a weak link to another. Now I don't doubt that Minato for the most part is a stronger Shinobi, but from what we've seen, he has nothing that can take out Orochimaru's regenerative abilities.
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Orochimaru was SEVERED IN HALF.
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He regenerated. That attack was strong enough to sever his body, which Rasengan by itself cannot do. You cannot forget that Minato never infused Rasengan with his own nature. By what Minato has shown, Orochimaru wins.
Minato can take out ALMOST any other shinobi, while the newest strong guys are easily taking out Orochimaru, but the abilities are a bad match up.
You have nothing else to counter with, and no, Oro cannot go into his true form whenever he pleases, you're wrong once again because his true form makes him weak, he needs a host in order to stay alive. Are you saying Manda is greater then Ma and Pa?? Please get a grip on reality. Edo's can easily be defeated as I stated once before, they are mindless. I think I'm done, there's only so much you can say to get through to someone, but then again, looking at your profile pic I understand why, GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!!!!
Minato would win. Why? Well minato could defeat Tobi whom apparently had the sharingan and was able to control the Kyuubi. Minato can use seal techniques which are flawless. He can also use Flying Thunder God Technique and if he had lived longer he would master new rasengan variants. In all Minato pawns Orochimaru. And also he was the 4th Hokage.
First of all allow me to say, nobody knows who would win, we are just speculating going by abilities shown. Ill take away edo tensei from oro because that isnt fair. First of all the edo's oro has been sealed therefore there isnt any point including this but also the only sealing jutsu minato has shown us that is applicable is the reaper technique which takes the user's life as well therefore in that case he doesnt stand a chance of winning since he would have to use this technique.
Ill also exclude summonings because people have to take into consideration chakra levels in vs threads. No ninja can keep on summonings large animals to fight for them, because with the summoning technique depending on the size and quantity of your summonigs that alone can take up more than half of your chakra. Only people like nagato, kisame, naruto can spam summonings and not worry about chakra depletion. Another reason not to add summonings is that they kinda cacnel each other out. Oro not only has manda, be also has other large snake summonigs but also the hydra technique which minato can counter by summonings gamabunta but also the other massive frogs and ma and pa (that takes time though). Basically its purely minato vs oro.
Anyway both are close to mid range fighters. Neither are long range, although oro does indeed have some long range attacks, he is however a close to mid range fighter. If both were to fight it would be most likely be in open space since thats where most fights take place, therefore minato would most likely have the edge, therefore lets say he spams ftg kunai's;
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Oro is a wind release user and with this could blow either the kunai's in mind air (handspeed of 5/5) or when the kunai's do land he uses this to blow them away;
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To make this fair lets says minato uses his ftg kunai's in this fight the same way he doesnt against tobi therefore lets say he does this instead;
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Meaning he doest spam the kunai's and instead uses them one at a time. Oro has several counters for this. First of being, many hidden snake hands
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With this he can not only block the ftg kunai which is heading his way, he can also use it at an offence if minato decides to come in like what he did to tobi. This mode is very effective because if those snakes were to either block or swallow the kunai, minato wouldnt be able to evade such a technique because his kunai has been swallowed. If he does have a good reflex in base he can immediately stop and retreat because if he does head on this technique would greatly damage him.
Anyway to stop this stragegy is to use this;
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This technique should block the ftg kunai, meaning if the kunai doesnt reach oro, minato doesnt either and at full speed in base, minato would have to have a pretty quick reflex otherwise he would run into this technique. No different to the hidden snake hands.
Basically ftg would be very hard here. Now im sure alot of people would say minato doesnt need ftg kunai's to tag a location and i agree therefore lets say, if his ftg kunai's are countered he resorts to tagging the location instead. Again oro has counters for this. He has the ability to merge with the environment (Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu);
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Kanji 蛭万象・防火の術
Rōmaji Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu
Literal English Leech Ten Thousand Things: Attack Prevention Technique
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Debut
Manga Chapter #50
Anime Naruto Episode #30
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Classification Ninjutsu
Class Supplementary
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Orochimaru
With the jutsu above that ive mentioned, where oro can merge with the environment, if minato was to tag the environment oro can evade ftg because whilst he can move in with this technique in any direction, ftg tags are stationary, oro isnt.
Basically oro does have counters for ftg therefore this might come down to foot speed. Minato is shunshin is in deed superior, but oro is also a shunshin user;
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Either oro's shunshin or the slightering snake modehttp://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Slithering_Snake_Mode increases his speed and agility ;
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There is a couple of problems with using minato's shunshin though against oro atleast. Ftg is teleportation, we know that. Shunshin is high foot speed movement. Now what happens if ftg has been countered like how i have above, and minato was to use his shunshin which is foot movement?. What if oro was to use this technique to basically swarm the environment with formation of 10,000 snakes
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Foot movement, shunshin would be very hard when you have to step on 10000 snakes whom are poisonous, with this technique oro has the environment advantage because those snakes wouldnt attack him and would attack minato only.
If minato is handicapped due to the environment, oro who also uses shunshin no jutsu can keep up with him. Lets not forget that oro also has Kanashibari no Jutsu ,
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Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. When oro threw his kunai's did were they eventually ablo to regain their senses and evade it. If oro was serious when sasuke nd sakura were still under this paralysis and couldnt move, he couldve done whatever he wanted.
Now if he was to use this on minato and due the effects of this technique's minato is temporarily paralysed but also is at the disadvantage due to the environmenet covered with snakes;
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Those 10000 snakes would bite and poison a paralysed minato and with that oro wins. If minato is stationary, oro can use
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If paralysed, the hidden shadow snake hands would be applicable
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Minato's rasengan and kunai isnt doing anything against somebody who can use this technique
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For the sake of this argument lets say minato does indeed mark him with ftg, not only will rasengan or kunai not kill him as ive explained earlier, oro is one the people that can remove the ftg tag from his body with the body shedding technique
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Ive no intention on replying to any quote, im merely giving my analysis n what weve seen so far and going byt that, oro wins with mid to high difficulty
Minato was stronger than Oro when he died but because Oro had 16+ years to hone his strength after the 4th's death Oro could have beaten him. If Minato didn't die and also had the 16+ years to hone his strength he would have been able to easily beat Oro.
First of all allow me to say, nobody knows who would win, we are just speculating going by abilities shown. Ill take away edo tensei from oro because that isnt fair. First of all the edo's oro has been sealed therefore there isnt any point including this but also the only sealing jutsu minato has shown us that is applicable is the reaper technique which takes the user's life as well therefore in that case he doesnt stand a chance of winning since he would have to use this technique.
Ill also exclude summonings because people have to take into consideration chakra levels in vs threads. No ninja can keep on summonings large animals to fight for them, because with the summoning technique depending on the size and quantity of your summonigs that alone can take up more than half of your chakra. Only people like nagato, kisame, naruto can spam summonings and not worry about chakra depletion. Another reason not to add summonings is that they kinda cacnel each other out. Oro not only has manda, be also has other large snake summonigs but also the hydra technique which minato can counter by summonings gamabunta but also the other massive frogs and ma and pa (that takes time though). Basically its purely minato vs oro.
Anyway both are close to mid range fighters. Neither are long range, although oro does indeed have some long range attacks, he is however a close to mid range fighter. If both were to fight it would be most likely be in open space since thats where most fights take place, therefore minato would most likely have the edge, therefore lets say he spams ftg kunai's;
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Oro is a wind release user and with this could blow either the kunai's in mind air (handspeed of 5/5) or when the kunai's do land he uses this to blow them away;
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To make this fair lets says minato uses his ftg kunai's in this fight the same way he doesnt against tobi therefore lets say he does this instead;
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Meaning he doest spam the kunai's and instead uses them one at a time. Oro has several counters for this. First of being, many hidden snake hands
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With this he can not only block the ftg kunai which is heading his way, he can also use it at an offence if minato decides to come in like what he did to tobi. This mode is very effective because if those snakes were to either block or swallow the kunai, minato wouldnt be able to evade such a technique because his kunai has been swallowed. If he does have a good reflex in base he can immediately stop and retreat because if he does head on this technique would greatly damage him.
Anyway to stop this stragegy is to use this;
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This technique should block the ftg kunai, meaning if the kunai doesnt reach oro, minato doesnt either and at full speed in base, minato would have to have a pretty quick reflex otherwise he would run into this technique. No different to the hidden snake hands.
Basically ftg would be very hard here. Now im sure alot of people would say minato doesnt need ftg kunai's to tag a location and i agree therefore lets say, if his ftg kunai's are countered he resorts to tagging the location instead. Again oro has counters for this. He has the ability to merge with the environment (Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu);
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Kanji 蛭万象・防火の術
Rōmaji Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu
Literal English Leech Ten Thousand Things: Attack Prevention Technique
English TV Assimilation Jutsu
Debut
Manga Chapter #50
Anime Naruto Episode #30
Appears in Anime and Manga
Data
Classification Ninjutsu
Class Supplementary
[hide] Users
Orochimaru
With the jutsu above that ive mentioned, where oro can merge with the environment, if minato was to tag the environment oro can evade ftg because whilst he can move in with this technique in any direction, ftg tags are stationary, oro isnt.
Basically oro does have counters for ftg therefore this might come down to foot speed. Minato is shunshin is in deed superior, but oro is also a shunshin user;
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Either oro's shunshin or the slightering snake modehttp://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Slithering_Snake_Mode increases his speed and agility ;
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There is a couple of problems with using minato's shunshin though against oro atleast. Ftg is teleportation, we know that. Shunshin is high foot speed movement. Now what happens if ftg has been countered like how i have above, and minato was to use his shunshin which is foot movement?. What if oro was to use this technique to basically swarm the environment with formation of 10,000 snakes
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Foot movement, shunshin would be very hard when you have to step on 10000 snakes whom are poisonous, with this technique oro has the environment advantage because those snakes wouldnt attack him and would attack minato only.
If minato is handicapped due to the environment, oro who also uses shunshin no jutsu can keep up with him. Lets not forget that oro also has Kanashibari no Jutsu ,
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Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. When oro threw his kunai's did were they eventually ablo to regain their senses and evade it. If oro was serious when sasuke nd sakura were still under this paralysis and couldnt move, he couldve done whatever he wanted.
Now if he was to use this on minato and due the effects of this technique's minato is temporarily paralysed but also is at the disadvantage due to the environmenet covered with snakes;
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Those 10000 snakes would bite and poison a paralysed minato and with that oro wins. If minato is stationary, oro can use
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If paralysed, the hidden shadow snake hands would be applicable
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Minato's rasengan and kunai isnt doing anything against somebody who can use this technique
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For the sake of this argument lets say minato does indeed mark him with ftg, not only will rasengan or kunai not kill him as ive explained earlier, oro is one the people that can remove the ftg tag from his body with the body shedding technique
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Ive no intention on replying to any quote, im merely giving my analysis n what weve seen so far and going byt that, oro wins with mid to high difficulty
LOL i return to the thread to read this. i completely agree. however, i'm sure some minato fanboy will come and disregard this entire post. i thought i already proved them wrong once. and thanks for putting together the time for this. maximum rep!:izuna:
LOL i return to the thread to read this. i completely agree. however, i'm sure some minato fanboy will come and disregard this entire post. i thought i already proved them wrong once. and thanks for putting together the time for this. maximum rep!:izuna:
this thread should seriously be closed due to the lack of intelligence and logic from MOST of the minato fanboys...if you go by what the manga says alone, then it's oro>minato. no need to add in the feats. like i said if the God of Shinobi, the 3rd Hokage, was going to choose oro for the position of hokage by skill alone (keep in mind, he didn't have all the techs he has now) over Minato, then minato fanboys have no argument.
PS: i also believe orochimaru would have handled the kyuubi and tobi attack on the leaf WITHOUT resorting to dying. yes, saving naruto included
First of all allow me to say, nobody knows who would win, we are just speculating going by abilities shown. Ill take away edo tensei from oro because that isnt fair. First of all the edo's oro has been sealed therefore there isnt any point including this but also the only sealing jutsu minato has shown us that is applicable is the reaper technique which takes the user's life as well therefore in that case he doesnt stand a chance of winning since he would have to use this technique.
Ill also exclude summonings because people have to take into consideration chakra levels in vs threads. No ninja can keep on summonings large animals to fight for them, because with the summoning technique depending on the size and quantity of your summonigs that alone can take up more than half of your chakra. Only people like nagato, kisame, naruto can spam summonings and not worry about chakra depletion. Another reason not to add summonings is that they kinda cacnel each other out. Oro not only has manda, be also has other large snake summonigs but also the hydra technique which minato can counter by summonings gamabunta but also the other massive frogs and ma and pa (that takes time though). Basically its purely minato vs oro.
Anyway both are close to mid range fighters. Neither are long range, although oro does indeed have some long range attacks, he is however a close to mid range fighter. If both were to fight it would be most likely be in open space since thats where most fights take place, therefore minato would most likely have the edge, therefore lets say he spams ftg kunai's;
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Oro is a wind release user and with this could blow either the kunai's in mind air (handspeed of 5/5) or when the kunai's do land he uses this to blow them away;
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To make this fair lets says minato uses his ftg kunai's in this fight the same way he doesnt against tobi therefore lets say he does this instead;
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Meaning he doest spam the kunai's and instead uses them one at a time. Oro has several counters for this. First of being, many hidden snake hands
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;
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With this he can not only block the ftg kunai which is heading his way, he can also use it at an offence if minato decides to come in like what he did to tobi. This mode is very effective because if those snakes were to either block or swallow the kunai, minato wouldnt be able to evade such a technique because his kunai has been swallowed. If he does have a good reflex in base he can immediately stop and retreat because if he does head on this technique would greatly damage him.
Anyway to stop this stragegy is to use this;
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This technique should block the ftg kunai, meaning if the kunai doesnt reach oro, minato doesnt either and at full speed in base, minato would have to have a pretty quick reflex otherwise he would run into this technique. No different to the hidden snake hands.
Basically ftg would be very hard here. Now im sure alot of people would say minato doesnt need ftg kunai's to tag a location and i agree therefore lets say, if his ftg kunai's are countered he resorts to tagging the location instead. Again oro has counters for this. He has the ability to merge with the environment (Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu);
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Kanji 蛭万象・防火の術
Rōmaji Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu
Literal English Leech Ten Thousand Things: Attack Prevention Technique
English TV Assimilation Jutsu
Debut
Manga Chapter #50
Anime Naruto Episode #30
Appears in Anime and Manga
Data
Classification Ninjutsu
Class Supplementary
[hide] Users
Orochimaru
With the jutsu above that ive mentioned, where oro can merge with the environment, if minato was to tag the environment oro can evade ftg because whilst he can move in with this technique in any direction, ftg tags are stationary, oro isnt.
Basically oro does have counters for ftg therefore this might come down to foot speed. Minato is shunshin is in deed superior, but oro is also a shunshin user;
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Either oro's shunshin or the slightering snake modehttp://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Slithering_Snake_Mode increases his speed and agility ;
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There is a couple of problems with using minato's shunshin though against oro atleast. Ftg is teleportation, we know that. Shunshin is high foot speed movement. Now what happens if ftg has been countered like how i have above, and minato was to use his shunshin which is foot movement?. What if oro was to use this technique to basically swarm the environment with formation of 10,000 snakes
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Foot movement, shunshin would be very hard when you have to step on 10000 snakes whom are poisonous, with this technique oro has the environment advantage because those snakes wouldnt attack him and would attack minato only.
If minato is handicapped due to the environment, oro who also uses shunshin no jutsu can keep up with him. Lets not forget that oro also has Kanashibari no Jutsu ,
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Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. When oro threw his kunai's did were they eventually ablo to regain their senses and evade it. If oro was serious when sasuke nd sakura were still under this paralysis and couldnt move, he couldve done whatever he wanted.
Now if he was to use this on minato and due the effects of this technique's minato is temporarily paralysed but also is at the disadvantage due to the environmenet covered with snakes;
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Those 10000 snakes would bite and poison a paralysed minato and with that oro wins. If minato is stationary, oro can use
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If paralysed, the hidden shadow snake hands would be applicable
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Minato's rasengan and kunai isnt doing anything against somebody who can use this technique
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For the sake of this argument lets say minato does indeed mark him with ftg, not only will rasengan or kunai not kill him as ive explained earlier, oro is one the people that can remove the ftg tag from his body with the body shedding technique
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Ive no intention on replying to any quote, im merely giving my analysis n what weve seen so far and going byt that, oro wins with mid to high difficulty
First of all allow me to say, nobody knows who would win, we are just speculating going by abilities shown. Ill take away edo tensei from oro because that isnt fair. First of all the edo's oro has been sealed therefore there isnt any point including this but also the only sealing jutsu minato has shown us that is applicable is the reaper technique which takes the user's life as well therefore in that case he doesnt stand a chance of winning since he would have to use this technique.
Ill also exclude summonings because people have to take into consideration chakra levels in vs threads. No ninja can keep on summonings large animals to fight for them, because with the summoning technique depending on the size and quantity of your summonigs that alone can take up more than half of your chakra. Only people like nagato, kisame, naruto can spam summonings and not worry about chakra depletion. Another reason not to add summonings is that they kinda cacnel each other out. Oro not only has manda, be also has other large snake summonigs but also the hydra technique which minato can counter by summonings gamabunta but also the other massive frogs and ma and pa (that takes time though). Basically its purely minato vs oro.
Anyway both are close to mid range fighters. Neither are long range, although oro does indeed have some long range attacks, he is however a close to mid range fighter. If both were to fight it would be most likely be in open space since thats where most fights take place, therefore minato would most likely have the edge, therefore lets say he spams ftg kunai's;
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Oro is a wind release user and with this could blow either the kunai's in mind air (handspeed of 5/5) or when the kunai's do land he uses this to blow them away;
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To make this fair lets says minato uses his ftg kunai's in this fight the same way he doesnt against tobi therefore lets say he does this instead;
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Meaning he doest spam the kunai's and instead uses them one at a time. Oro has several counters for this. First of being, many hidden snake hands
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;
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With this he can not only block the ftg kunai which is heading his way, he can also use it at an offence if minato decides to come in like what he did to tobi. This mode is very effective because if those snakes were to either block or swallow the kunai, minato wouldnt be able to evade such a technique because his kunai has been swallowed. If he does have a good reflex in base he can immediately stop and retreat because if he does head on this technique would greatly damage him.
Anyway to stop this stragegy is to use this;
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This technique should block the ftg kunai, meaning if the kunai doesnt reach oro, minato doesnt either and at full speed in base, minato would have to have a pretty quick reflex otherwise he would run into this technique. No different to the hidden snake hands.
Basically ftg would be very hard here. Now im sure alot of people would say minato doesnt need ftg kunai's to tag a location and i agree therefore lets say, if his ftg kunai's are countered he resorts to tagging the location instead. Again oro has counters for this. He has the ability to merge with the environment (Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu);
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Kanji 蛭万象・防火の術
Rōmaji Hiru Banshō: Bōka no Jutsu
Literal English Leech Ten Thousand Things: Attack Prevention Technique
English TV Assimilation Jutsu
Debut
Manga Chapter #50
Anime Naruto Episode #30
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Classification Ninjutsu
Class Supplementary
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Orochimaru
With the jutsu above that ive mentioned, where oro can merge with the environment, if minato was to tag the environment oro can evade ftg because whilst he can move in with this technique in any direction, ftg tags are stationary, oro isnt.
Basically oro does have counters for ftg therefore this might come down to foot speed. Minato is shunshin is in deed superior, but oro is also a shunshin user;
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Either oro's shunshin or the slightering snake modehttp://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Slithering_Snake_Mode increases his speed and agility ;
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There is a couple of problems with using minato's shunshin though against oro atleast. Ftg is teleportation, we know that. Shunshin is high foot speed movement. Now what happens if ftg has been countered like how i have above, and minato was to use his shunshin which is foot movement?. What if oro was to use this technique to basically swarm the environment with formation of 10,000 snakes
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Foot movement, shunshin would be very hard when you have to step on 10000 snakes whom are poisonous, with this technique oro has the environment advantage because those snakes wouldnt attack him and would attack minato only.
If minato is handicapped due to the environment, oro who also uses shunshin no jutsu can keep up with him. Lets not forget that oro also has Kanashibari no Jutsu ,
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Its a temporary paralysis. As we say oro was playing with sasuke and sakura, when both were paralysed. When oro threw his kunai's did were they eventually ablo to regain their senses and evade it. If oro was serious when sasuke nd sakura were still under this paralysis and couldnt move, he couldve done whatever he wanted.
Now if he was to use this on minato and due the effects of this technique's minato is temporarily paralysed but also is at the disadvantage due to the environmenet covered with snakes;
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Those 10000 snakes would bite and poison a paralysed minato and with that oro wins. If minato is stationary, oro can use
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If paralysed, the hidden shadow snake hands would be applicable
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Minato's rasengan and kunai isnt doing anything against somebody who can use this technique
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For the sake of this argument lets say minato does indeed mark him with ftg, not only will rasengan or kunai not kill him as ive explained earlier, oro is one the people that can remove the ftg tag from his body with the body shedding technique
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Ive no intention on replying to any quote, im merely giving my analysis n what weve seen so far and going byt that, oro wins with mid to high difficulty
i must see blaze you went into great detail and even established points that slipped my mind. This post succeeded the ones I've posted, and i give respect when due (even when its you -_-). I appreciate the time taken out to post bruh, and it looks like this may have ended the discussion on its own #boom (REP & respect)
You bring in some really REALLY good points not to mention it probably took you a hell of a long time to write all that for this I shall + rep you