Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade

[HiddenSound]

Jiraya can decimate Suna by himself(one of the 5greatest countries):

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Hiruzen always wanted Jiraya to become Hokage:

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Only sannin who managed to achieve SM even. Orochimaru failed in it. Jiraya by aquiring SM entered a different tier than the rest of his sannin partners

Itachi > Orochimaru

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Itachi admitted inferiority to Jiraya

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Pain(Akatsuki leader) admitted he would have lose if Jiraya had knowledge

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Jiraya is strongest Sannin. Jiraya > Orochimaru

You're usually better than this. That argument is just awful.

 

[raziel777]

By feats Jiraiya takes him handily.

I'm not so sure. How does SM Jiraiya kills Oro ?

 

[raziel777]

You're usually better than this. That argument is just awful.

I thought the exact same thing.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not so sure. How does SM Jiraiya kills Oro ?

His snake summons can be countered by the Toads, or they can simply be dealt with like

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. If he uses the Eight Branches Technique that would also suffice.

If he uses the 10000 snakes formation, Jiraiya can counter with

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Not to mention

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allows Jiraiya to paralyze Orochimaru and follow up with a

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. Can Oro survive if this hits him directly? I wonder....

Even if that doesn't work, Jiraiya can prep Frog Song in this situation as Orochimaru can't stop him with any of his offensive techniques. Snake summons and Hydra are pointless here as shown above. Snake formation gets countered by Yomi Numa.

 

[raziel777]

His snake summons can be countered by the Toads, or they can simply be dealt with like

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. If he uses the Eight Branches Technique that would also suffice.

If he uses the 10000 snakes formation, Jiraiya can counter with

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Not to mention

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allows Jiraiya to paralyze Orochimaru and follow up with a

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. Can Oro survive if this hits him directly? I wonder....

Even if that doesn't work, Jiraiya can prep Frog Song in this situation as Orochimaru can't stop him with any of his offensive techniques. Snake summons and Hydra are pointless here as shown above. Snake formation gets countered by Yomi Numa.

The swamp albeit hindered by Tsunade's drug, couldn't stop a normal summon. Manda or MnadaII now are out of question. Manda is too fast to be cut by the toad water jutsu. The chameleon had to be immobilized first.

A normal swamp won't sink Yamata no Orochi.

Kawazu Naki : Oro can just shed. And it takes a while for that jutsu to get ready.

Oro can tank a Chou Odama Rasengan. It's brute force. It's not killing him and he could shed to remove any damage.

Frog Kata can ne countered by Kusanagi. Jiraiya cannot block this.

Even if Oro doesn't manage to kill Jiraiya (which I doubt) SM won't last Jiraiya for long. Once it's gone, he's dead.

Jiraiya has no way to kill Oro.

 

[KidGamer65]

The swamp albeit hindered by Tsunade's drug, couldn't stop a normal summon. Manda or MnadaII now are out of question. Manda is too fast to be cut by the toad water jutsu. The chameleon had to be immobilized first.

Manda II isn't in Oro's arsenal, and I clearly said it'd only be used on the formation of 10000 snakes, not any Boss Summon. Then he can just immobilize them, even though its very clear that something of Manda's size isn't evading the tongue. The only reason the chameleon had to be immobilized is because it was invisible and Ma's tongue found it out, not cause it was too fast.

A normal swamp won't sink Yamata no Orochi.

Never said that it would.

Kawazu Naki : Oro can just shed. And it takes a while for that jutsu to get ready.

Use Oral Rebirth when he's been paralyzed? No.

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it doesn't

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, that's Gama Rinsho. The Frog Genjutsu, which is a GG when it hits.

Oro can tank a Chou Odama Rasengan. It's brute force. It's not killing him and he could shed to remove any damage.

lol? Brute Force? Do you know how Rasengan works? Rasengan is an explosive type jutsu as seen when its been used every single time. Oro isn't tanking that in Base, it'll blow his whole body up, especially considering it'd dwarf his whole body.

Frog Kata can ne countered by Kusanagi. Jiraiya cannot block this.

Who ever mentioned Frog Kata here? Jiraiya can't even use that.

Even if Oro doesn't manage to kill Jiraiya (which I doubt) SM won't last Jiraiya for long. Once it's gone, he's dead.

Jiraiya has no way to kill Oro.

Did you even read the manga? Ma and Pa gather Nature Energy, so he can keep SM up for as long as he has chakra, and he clearly has a buttload of it since he was able to enter Sage Mode in the first place.

Oro has no way to severly injure Jiraiya let alone defeat him. Gama Rinsho is GG once its prepped, Chou Oodama can probably blow him up once it explodes, and even if it doesn't. Jiraiya can keep hitting him until he can't get back anymore, as spamming Oral Rebirth every time he gets hit will cost much more chakra than Jiraiya using these techs, especially since Ma and Pa can use attacks for him.

 

[raziel777]

Manda II isn't in Oro's arsenal, and I clearly said it'd only be used on the formation of 10000 snakes, not any Boss Summon. Then he can just immobilize them, even though its very clear that something of Manda's size isn't evading the tongue. The only reason the chameleon had to be immobilized is because it was invisible and Ma's tongue found it out, not cause it was too fast.

Why isn't part of Oro's arsenal ? It's a snake summon. He can summon it. You don't need a personal contract...

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Use Oral Rebirth when he's been paralyzed? No.

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it doesn't

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, that's Gama Rinsho. The Frog Genjutsu, which is a GG when it hits.

Sage Art: Frog Call was used against Pain. It failed. We don't even know the extent of the parlysis. Anyway, it paralyzes the body, Orochimaru can still use oral rebirth.

About Gama Rinsho, it takes time and I don't see anyone having time to pull it off against Oro.

lol? Brute Force? Do you know how Rasengan works? Rasengan is an explosive type jutsu as seen when its been used every single time. Oro isn't tanking that in Base, it'll blow his whole body up, especially considering it'd dwarf his whole body

Why didn't it explode Kabuto on impact ? Or the water resevoir ? Or Obito's arm ?

No matter how you put it, the Rasengan doesn't explode on impact.

Who ever mentioned Frog Kata here? Jiraiya can't even use that.

I mentionned it because SM enhances your strenght so I wanted to tell you it would be of any use against Kusanagi.

Did you even read the manga? Ma and Pa gather Nature Energy, so he can keep SM up for as long as he has chakra, and he clearly has a buttload of it since he was able to enter Sage Mode in the first place.

No need to get so worked up.. I forgot something. Sue me

Oro has no way to severly injure Jiraiya let alone defeat him. Gama Rinsho is GG once its prepped, Chou Oodama can probably blow him up once it explodes, and even if it doesn't. Jiraiya can keep hitting him until he can't get back anymore, as spamming Oral Rebirth every time he gets hit will cost much more chakra than Jiraiya using these techs, especially since Ma and Pa can use attacks for him.

Kusanagi can severely injure Jiraiya. As a last resort, Oro can use his true form and its poison to immobilize him. Orochimaru has jutsus we haven't been shown yet too.

The swamp can't be used against small targets because it would leave Jiraiya too close of it as he might fall in.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why isn't part of Oro's arsenal ? It's a snake summon. He can summon it. You don't need a personal contract...

Orochimaru isn't summoning a snake whose existence he knows nothing about.

Sage Art: Frog Call was used against Pain. It failed. We don't even know the extent of the parlysis. Anyway, it paralyzes the body, Orochimaru can still use oral rebirth.

Didn't I just post a scan of it being used on the summons, and then succeeding? Yes, I just did, so what are you even talking about. Whether he uses Oral Rebirth or not, he still runs right into a Chou Oodama Rasengan.

About Gama Rinsho, it takes time and I don't see anyone having time to pull it off against Oro.

Oro can't beat him or seriously injure him so yes, Jiraiya can and will pull it off.

Why didn't it explode Kabuto on impact ? Or the water resevoir ? Or Obito's arm ?

No matter how you put it, the Rasengan doesn't explode on impact.

Databook already states that Rasengan is an explosive type of attack, just not the kind of explosion you are thinking, also, if it didn't explode when it hit the water tank, then it never would have blown the back open. If it didn't explode against Obito, it never would have made that crater, it would have simply pushed Obito into the ground. Rasengan explodes. Manga fact.

Super-Big Ball Rasengan* (超大玉螺旋丸, Chouoodama Rasengan)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, Short range (0-5m)
User: Jiraiya

Blowing violently from the palm of his hand is a raging storm!!
Tearing up the sky and swallowing everything!!

[picture of Jiraiya in Sage Mode]
[picture of Jiraiya attacking Pain with this technique]
↑→In an instant Jiraiya creates an extra-large raging storm that can completely swallow a human being with ease...!!

Maximum whirling chakra!!

The "Rasengan" is wildly rotating chakra in one's hand and containing it in a sphere. The "Big Ball Rasengan" uses an increased quantity of chakra between the hands of the real body and a Shadow Clone. "Sage Mode" Jiraiya adds natural energy to this, rapidly increasing the size to gigantic proportions!! The created ball of light is a raging storm, coiling like a whirlpool. If it explodes, it can easily hollow out an entire mountain...!!

*Rasengan (螺旋丸) means "Spiralling Sphere"

Kusanagi can severely injure Jiraiya. As a last resort, Oro can use his true form and its poison to immobilize him. Orochimaru has jutsus we haven't been shown yet too.

Too bad Kusanagi is never going to touch him in Sage Mode, not when he

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using Needle Jizo, if that can't work, then he can simply evade.

The swamp can't be used against small targets because it would leave Jiraiya too close of it as he might fall in.

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is not a small target.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Orochimaru (pre mokuton, but with arms)=Jiraiya

Now that he has Zetsu's body aka a weak mokuton>Jiraiya.

But Orochimaru without his arms is weaker than Tsunade.

Current Orochimaru>Jiraiya>Tsunade>Orochimaru without arms

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Orochimaru >> Jiraiya >>>>>>> Tsunade.

Put senju DNA hax into the equation, and it would become even more blatantly obvious.

 

[thatgirl]

this must be the 1000th desperate thread "oro is the strongest sannin because i said so"

he isnt

 

[raziel777]

this must be the 1000th desperate thread "oro is the strongest sannin because i said so"

he isnt

this must be the 1000th desperate post "oro isn't the strongest sannin because i said so"

he is

 

[Silverblade]

The thing is we don't know the full extent of Orochimaru's jutsu.

 

[Owarij]

Orochimaru isn't summoning a snake whose existence he knows nothing about.

Which orochimaru are we talking about here?... Current oro? because the moment he put his hand on Kabuto, according to him, he got all his memories

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[H a n]

Actually. J-Man stomps Orochimaru. Only way Orchimaru has a chance is the Edo's. Other then that. Case closed.

 

[Shodai Hokage]

Oro>Jiraiya>Tsunade>Oro

 

[TheEvilOne]

No, this is a fanfiction. All the Sannins are more or less equals.

 

[xxSAGExx]

where does it say so in the scan ???????????

Hiruzen wanted Oro. Get your facts right. He chose Minato because he feared Oro was evil, not that he wasn't strong enough.

Oro learned SM. His host body couldt handle it... Do you even read the manga ?

Itachi was a Konoha ninja. He would have never fought Jiraiya at the risk of killing him. He had to give Kisame a good reason not to.

Sooooo ??? What does Nagato know of Orochimaru and his strength ? Does he know his techniques, his abilities ?

Orochimaru is the strongest. Jiraiya admitted not being able to bring him back by force

EDIT: You can't be serious if you think : Itachi + Kisame < Jiraiya

What does Nagato know of Orochimaru's abilities? Umm, idk maybeit's the fact that Orochimaru was in the Akatuski which Nagato was acting leader of. How did Konan know of Obito's abilities? They're all criminals so the leader of the group would have information on them all. My question to you is, how did Oro learn SM if the body he were in couldn't bare the ability? he has to learn how to see, sense, and/or absorb natural energy and then perfectly balance it with his but from how Kabuto phrase it, Oro wasn't trying to learn how to gather natural energy but to transfer Juugo's clan ability to another body like he did with Hashirama's ability in Yamato.

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All it takes to learn SM is large chakra and training and nothing about the body which also supports what I said before. Kabuto even said Oro couldn't become a true sage like him

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so it's can be two things, either Oro didn't have SM or at the very least he has an incomplete form like Jiraiya and that's a big maybe since the most Oro would have is a CM which he never showed using it.

Hiruzen "wanted" Oro as Hokage but he saw Oro was becoming evil and it was even whispers going around the village about his deeds. Hirzuen even said it was "One" of many reasons why he didn't choose Oro and Yes he want Jiraiya to be the next Hokage as Tsunade said. Tsunade said Hiruzen always wanted Jiraiya to be the next hokage, this is before Minato because why would Hiruzen pick Jiraiya's student over him then him? That makes no sense, it was clearly before Minato's time but as we know, Jiraiya didn't want to become the hokage as he said when the Elders offered it to him and when Tsunade said he should have been the 5th hokage.

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As for Itachi, he was a leaf shinobi but now he's an Akatsuki member. Itachi must fulfill his duties as a Akatsuki member or else his deal with Tobi will be broke and they could go attack Konoha whenever they wanted. Jiraiya is not a Konoha ninja, he was relieved of duty and left Konoha which makes him a free agent just like Tsunade while Oro was a missing ninja for leaving without permission. Also Kisame doesn't trust Itachi and vice versa. Itachi kept his sharingan active because of Kisame.

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Orochimaru > Jiraiya > Tsunade

Orochimaru is the strongest sannin. Jiraiya would put a fight in SM but Oro is just too much to handle.

A sick, arm-less Oro was playing with 4 tail Naruto while to Jiraiya it was a near death experience.

Oro took a Tsunade punch to the jaw and it BRUISED HIS SKIN.

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Since Part 1, Oro was the stronger Sannin.

Tsunade was just traumatism by the blood before and was destroying the landscape before that, none of the Sannins were at their best in that fight. We saw Tsunade break Susanoo yet when she hit Oro he didn't get blasted into the ground like he would if Tsunade was at her best. Do mistake Oro's healing jutsus that he obtained thru experiments which not being able to die. He was going to die against 4 tails Naruto and even stated the tbb would have killed him if he didn't use his barriers to take the blunt of the blast. He was not "playing" He was taunting Naruto by saying Sasuke was stronger but nothing Oro used was effective against the 4 tail mode.

Wrong, he wondered if they could stop him from entering the country... Read again.

We all know the third wanted Oro first. How do you know Tsunade didn't mean he wanted Jiraiya to be Hokage after the 4th died and he himself retired ?

Don't twist my word. He learned SM. Just like Jiraiya. Even better it seems. His HOST BODY couldn't handle SM, not he.

Because Itachi was his trusted partner. What reason did he have to doubt his word ?

That's you speculating. Naruto doesn't work by a b c logic. Pain knows nothing of Orochimaru while he knew his sensei's fighting style.

We have been shown but a fraction of Orochimaru's power. His goal is to learn all the jutsus in the world...

Wrong, how can Oro learn SM better than Jiraiya? Jiraiya had a incomplete SM while Kabuto said Oro couldn't have become a true Sage like him. The closest Oro got to SM was thru CM, Oro had no training for SM because he couldn't find the place unlike Kabuto. Kabuto stated you need to train to obtain that power. His host body couldn't handle SM? Do you know how SM works? You need training or have an ability to absorb natural energy and perfectly balance it with your chakra. It don't require a certain body type, only requires a large chakra amount and training as Pa toad told Naruto. Oro was trying to gain Juugo's ability and he couldn't find a body to replicate the ability similar to Oro's experiments of trying to replicate Hashirama's ability to use wood jutsus and control Bijuus and only Yamato has successful.

Itachi was hs trusted partner? Wow, now I know you're making things up. They did not trust each other, Kisame is the reason Itachi always have his Sharingan active, because he doesn't trust Kisame for a minute and vice versa.

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. If Kisame didn't think what Itachi said had any chance of being true then he would have either attacked Jiraiya on his own or reported Itachi to Akatsuki. Also Pain, who uses 6 Kage level bodies, all fought Jiraiya yet not only did he held hisown but he killed them over and over and was even praised by Nagato who said he would have lost if Jiraiya knew his secrets. So do you think Itachi and Kisame, who are 2 kage level ninjas could do better than 6 kage level ninjas who all have intel on Jiraiya's abilities, the Rinnegan which outranks the sharingan and hax abilities? No, just no.

Key word was "Wanted", Oro showed qualities that Hiruzen saw as Hokage worthy but as Oro grew more and more to the evil side he saw Jiraiya as more worthy since he had the will of fire unlike Oro.

Orochimaru uses a lot of chakra every time he sheds his skins to heal from wounds so if Jiraiya pushes him to use this a lot then Orochimaru would only be using up his chakra. Orochimaru still feels exhaustion and pain when he does that so it's not like he's escaping free of injuries. And no Oro wasn't in that bad of health against Naruto, he was worst off after the fight and bed ridden by the time Sasuke attacked him.

 

[johnny335704]

Oro with Edo Tensei is > SM Jiraiya.
SM Jraiya > Oro without Edo Tensei.

 

[KidGamer65]

Which orochimaru are we talking about here?... Current oro? because the moment he put his hand on Kabuto, according to him, he got all his memories

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Ah, I totally forgot about that. Then I guess he can summon Manda II.