Orochimaru is weak in Comparison - With Proof!

[Cascade]

forget all that god, powerful shyt, compare how he is weak in comparsion to chinobi, I'm trying not to roast ya ass lolxd

ya claims suck, im waiting for comparsion before i decide to really go in on this thread

haha ok, i was just getting a little dissapointed that (i thought) i was receiving a lot of hate, rather than constructive critisms on my arguement lol.

If i wanted to compare him, i would compare him to Oro, Pein, Naruto, Sasuke, Diedera, The Kage's, Konan, Kabuto...the list goes on, but once again i dont want it to be a vs thread of 'oro vs kabuto' etc because its either gonna be really obvious or you'd have to go into specific details on how he'd beat each person - which wasnt what i was trying to do.

Ofcourse oro is powerful, thats why people think hes so awesome - and i never denied that hes a baddass/powerful/epic. I just think there are more powerful characters in the series and that some of the decisions that Oro made regarding his immortality jutsu, actions, etc etc etc weren't as successful as other people thought.
Again this is probably due to plotnojutsu, so agree to disagree i suppose hahaah

 

[blazekev90]

haha ok, i was just getting a little dissapointed that (i thought) i was receiving a lot of hate, rather than constructive critisms on my arguement lol.

If i wanted to compare him, i would compare him to Oro, Pein, Naruto, Sasuke, Diedera, The Kage's, Konan, Kabuto...the list goes on, but once again i dont want it to be a vs thread of 'oro vs kabuto' etc because its either gonna be really obvious or you'd have to go into specific details on how he'd beat each person - which wasnt what i was trying to do.

Ofcourse oro is powerful, thats why people think hes so awesome - and i never denied that hes a baddass/powerful/epic. I just think there are more powerful characters in the series and that some of the decisions that Oro made regarding his immortality jutsu, actions, etc etc etc weren't as successful as other people thought.
Again this is probably due to plotnojutsu, so agree to disagree i suppose hahaah

this said nothing, you cant make claims and not provide who or what you're talking about.

success doesnt=power

there is always somone stronger than another, even regarding Oro. However, this post didnt discuss that, it went thru past events and hasnt compared a damn thing.

now, i hope you see that you fail....do you? if not provide who

 

[WillToWin]

I'll say that he is strong, but not as powerful like they put him out to be in the beginning. Kabuto, Itachi, Kisame, Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato, and a few others are stronger than Orochimaru.

 

[Cascade]

We know Itachi>Oro - Totsuka, yada shield, susano'o, etc - oro sealed - weak and cant attack itachi

We know that Kabuto flourished off of Oro's work, his knowledge stems from Oro's and is expanded on.

Pein's different paths would outnumber - outmatch - and combat everything oro could throw at him. summons, etc etc - but oro might know of Pein's secret - Nagato hiding in the distance

Konan and Oro actually have somewhat similair techniques - the whole paper unraveling thing reminds me a fair bit of oro and his snakes. Konan almost took out Tobi too if u rem so i think she could have easily devised a plan against oro

Oro>Kakazu - his hearts would get dominated - oro just evades all of his attks.


Diedera - clay clones, explosive clay - spam - etc, oro would be on the run the whole time - any attack he used (such as leaf cutting sword from mouth) would just hit clay clone. C4 - explosive >>>>> 8 branches technique and oro doesnt have sharingan. Final explosion > Oro speed (maybe except for timespace teleport like sasuke)

Naruto now = powerful, faster, - in control of beast - not letting it run wild - better strategies, senninmode - Oro wouldn't expect all of it (but i think poison would definitly come to his advantage)

Sasuke - EMS, MS, all of his abilities to do with that - Oro hasnt seen them yet - he only knows sasuke up to karin - ultimate. His fight with Itachi (sasuke's) really made Sasuke so much more powerful

A vs Oro - A - much faster - uses lightning armour - oro's attacks rendered fairly useless - but oro has sumons - i dont think A has any.

Gaara - ultimate defence against oro - but oro already knows it / has experience against it.
Gaara - high chakra reserves / abilities to trap oro etc - bury and seal him - would need to be more than just physical. etc

The list is huge.

Ultimately i suppose peoples powers just seem to increase as the series continues - kinda reminds me of DBZ TBH

 

[Cascade]

I'll say that he is strong, but not as powerful like they put him out to be in the beginning. Kabuto, Itachi, Kisame, Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato, and a few others are stronger than Orochimaru.

Thankyou, all i was trying to say! )) hes not as powerful as they make him out to be at the start. the power scaling increased but i believe he stayed the same

If ive failed, ive failed in the comparison itself, not in what im comparing, my delivery probably didnt fit what it needed to

Thanks for the neg rep kev

 

[Tartarus]

if you compare him to the super OP characters like Madara and Hashirama then he looks weak in comparison but he's still a top tier shinobi in the same tier as people like killer B and kisame.

 

[Cascade]

if you compare him to the super OP characters like Madara and Hashirama then he looks weak in comparison but he's still a top tier shinobi in the same tier as people like killer B and kisame.

Yep, i wasnt calling him weak, just saying he didnt deserve some of the hype he got as some people thought he was really op.

 

[blazekev90]

We know Itachi>Oro - Totsuka, yada shield, susano'o, etc - oro sealed - weak and cant attack itachi

We know that Kabuto flourished off of Oro's work, his knowledge stems from Oro's and is expanded on.

Pein's different paths would outnumber - outmatch - and combat everything oro could throw at him. summons, etc etc - but oro might know of Pein's secret - Nagato hiding in the distance

Konan and Oro actually have somewhat similair techniques - the whole paper unraveling thing reminds me a fair bit of oro and his snakes. Konan almost took out Tobi too if u rem so i think she could have easily devised a plan against oro

Oro>Kakazu - his hearts would get dominated - oro just evades all of his attks.


Diedera - clay clones, explosive clay - spam - etc, oro would be on the run the whole time - any attack he used (such as leaf cutting sword from mouth) would just hit clay clone. C4 - explosive >>>>> 8 branches technique and oro doesnt have sharingan. Final explosion > Oro speed (maybe except for timespace teleport like sasuke)

Naruto now = powerful, faster, - in control of beast - not letting it run wild - better strategies, senninmode - Oro wouldn't expect all of it (but i think poison would definitly come to his advantage)

Sasuke - EMS, MS, all of his abilities to do with that - Oro hasnt seen them yet - he only knows sasuke up to karin - ultimate. His fight with Itachi (sasuke's) really made Sasuke so much more powerful

A vs Oro - A - much faster - uses lightning armour - oro's attacks rendered fairly useless - but oro has sumons - i dont think A has any.

Gaara - ultimate defence against oro - but oro already knows it / has experience against it.
Gaara - high chakra reserves / abilities to trap oro etc - bury and seal him - would need to be more than just physical. etc

The list is huge.

Ultimately i suppose peoples powers just seem to increase as the series continues - kinda reminds me of DBZ TBH

garra loses, to make quick work all he needs to do is summon 2nd Hokage for water release. Water>Sand

A is fast but isnt stronger than Tsuande, and Oro tanked her combo in a weakened state. A also has no counter for summonings. Also, he has wind release.

Sasuke, with his abilities Oro has techniques to counter. His Susnooo wouldnt have an answer for 8 branch or Edo. His genjutsu wasnt on par with Itachi's would wouldnt be much trouble

BM Naruto> ORo

Deidara has the means to defeat anyone, now doing it successfully remains.

Konan took years to prep that against Tobi, that a nonfactor and she shes nothing else capable of defeating him

Pein's would win but with high difficulty

Itachi, oro has means to counter genjutsu as Kabuto did, but nothing for Totsuka, yada shield

Kisame is a water user and uses shark, so it will be sharks vs. snakes and from what they have shown none are >>>>Manda or branch
. Also his doom against snakes wouldnt work, they'll swim in their


None did i mention 1st hokage or his techniques, also non-sharingan users cant reverse his ritual or avoid his poison

Only ones that beat Oro for sure are Nagato, Madara, Itachi, Kabuto, Naruto and probably Muu

 

[Cascade]

garra loses, to make quick work all he needs to do is summon 2nd Hokage for water release. Water>Sand

A is fast but isnt stronger than Tsuande, and Oro tanked her combo in a weakened state. A also has no counter for summonings. Also, he has wind release.

Sasuke, with his abilities Oro has techniques to counter. His Susnooo wouldnt have an answer for 8 branch or Edo. His genjutsu wasnt on par with Itachi's would wouldnt be much trouble

BM Naruto> ORo

Deidara has the means to defeat anyone, now doing it successfully remains.

Konan took years to prep that against Tobi, that a nonfactor and she shes nothing else capable of defeating him

Pein's would win but with high difficulty

Itachi, oro has means to counter genjutsu as Kabuto did, but nothing for Totsuka, yada shield

Kisame is a water user and uses shark, so it will be sharks vs. snakes and from what they have shown none are >>>>Manda or branch
. Also his doom against snakes wouldnt work, they'll swim in their


None did i mention 1st hokage or his techniques, also non-sharingan users cant reverse his ritual or avoid his poison

Only ones that beat Oro for sure are Nagato, Madara, Itachi, Kabuto, Naruto and probably Muu

second hokage is sealed -

Tsunade was still weak from Kabuto's attacks - thats why her combos didnt work - and A is just as strong as Tsunade

Sasuke's ameratsu etc susano'o - would probably beat 8 branches IMO

kk Konan<oro

Kisame - oro would drown lol, just because he can swim n move around doesnt mean he can hold his breath for long enough to defeat kisame - also theres no hint to say that snakes>sharks, just like no hint for sharks> snakes.

also - his ritual cant happen at any time - he has to wait until the end of 3 years before he can transfer his body - and he's extremely weak when hes on the verge of needing to transfer.

 

[blazekev90]

second hokage is sealed -

Tsunade was still weak from Kabuto's attacks - thats why her combos didnt work - and A is just as strong as Tsunade

Sasuke's ameratsu etc susano'o - would probably beat 8 branches IMO

kk Konan<oro

Kisame - oro would drown lol, just because he can swim n move around doesnt mean he can hold his breath for long enough to defeat kisame - also theres no hint to say that snakes>sharks, just like no hint for sharks> snakes.

there arent any conidtions, how is he sealed??


Tsunade wasnt weakened by anything, she had to get over her fear of blood, nothing more.

Oro could enter into a snakes mouth as Kabuto did against Kisame. Also, i said from the shakrs shown none were strong enough to handle Oro's bigger snake summons

ameratsu could be countered just as Sasuke countered Itachi's by using Oro's technique

 

[Cascade]

This is why i didnt wanna turn it into a vs thread, it becomes about peoples specific techniques.

With second hokage situation - i thought the conditions were the same as they right now in manga - only if all of the chars were alive (that are in the fights)
as for kisame - its very dependant on plotnojutsu

and (correct me with a manga panel if im wrong) but i beleive kabuto used his chakra disection blade (or atleast some sort of it) on tsunade near the start of the fight - weakening her for the remainder of it. thats why he could take a flurry of hits from her (in anime) - that crushed a wall before kabuto attked her

Ameratsu if used properly would catch oro, and susano'o could defend against his attacks, they also both have summons but im not sure which trumps which.

 

[blazekev90]

This is why i didnt wanna turn it into a vs thread, it becomes about peoples specific techniques.

as it should if you're comparing to others. who else, this is getting fun now hahah

 

[Cascade]

reread the above post, i accidentally posted it without finishing it haha

um anyway yeah, i dont think my original post was that bad - i put a lot of effort into it, maybe i just didnt convince u because u have very strong opinions on thing, certainly didnt deserve a neg rep, especially for the effort i put in

 

[blazekev90]

This is why i didnt wanna turn it into a vs thread, it becomes about peoples specific techniques.

With second hokage situation - i thought the conditions were the same as they right now in manga - only if all of the chars were alive (that are in the fights)
as for kisame - its very dependant on plotnojutsu

and (correct me with a manga panel if im wrong) but i beleive kabuto used his chakra disection blade (or atleast some sort of it) on tsunade near the start of the fight - weakening her for the remainder of it. thats why he could take a flurry of hits from her (in anime) - that crushed a wall before kabuto attked her

Ameratsu if used properly would catch oro, and susano'o could defend against his attacks, they also both have summons but im not sure which trumps which.

well Oro wasnt healthy after that time in the series, so it should be at their best.


kisame plot-no-jutsu or not the fight will be close, but Oro does have the edge.

no he didnt, she was fine and healed herself from all prior injury

Sasuke summons we know nt about, except a hawk.

btw you original post stated nothing at all, it was very irrelevant to the title of the thread. Also, I know Oro can be beaten I just know by not just anyone.

so....

 

[Cascade]

haha i never said he could be beaten anyone at all !!

Technically im with u, i was just saying he's not as great as a lot of people in the series. i didnt mention specifics in OP i suppose and that was my fail there haha

 

[blazekev90]

haha i never said he could be beaten anyone at all !!

Technically im with u, i was just saying he's not as great as a lot of people in the series. i didnt mention specifics in OP i suppose and that was my fail there haha

well what exactly are you refering to than????? you still havent stated what was ment.....

btw anyone else??

 

[Cascade]

I was saying hes not as good as some other people in the series and i think he makes some silly mistakes (just with immortality jutsu) that makes him weaker, people then attacked me saying it was obvious that people like Pein etc would beat him which i agreed with. My initial post was to say that he isnt as strong as other people, but i made the mistake of not mentioning specific people - which we have just covered so yeah.
Oh and tsunade (i beleive) states that she couldn't fully heal herself. - but maybe thats just in anime?
as for more people - Ichiraku Ramen Guy XD

- lol all jokes aside

- hanzo
- Kakashi at current stage
- Shikamaru (although oro is probably just as tactically advanced. + knows all of the shadow possession abilities
- Bee
- Ooniki
- Kisame
- Tobi

Im sure il think of more

 

[Joon]

haha i never said he could be beaten anyone at all !!

Technically im with u, i was just saying he's not as great as a lot of people in the series. i didnt mention specifics in OP i suppose and that was my fail there haha

I don't understand. You say his is weak, but on the other-hand, you say his "OP." Then you say, when others mention him, they overrated or hyped him up to much as this character to be unbeatable. However, you did say you made some mistake at the delivery of the message, which is understandable, but I'm still confuse.

Skimming and read a Post: "hes not as powerful as they make him out to be at the start. the power scaling increased but i believe he stayed the same"

At the beginning, I feel that it was introducing his character and just what and highly fear or respect he has reach in his opening. Kishi may hyped him up to be the big villain, but we all know were he stands in power. He also may not be in the "Power-House" group along with Nagato, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, etc., but he stills posses the skills, abilities, intelligence that would give them a hard time to kill.

He may have some inhuman characteristics and abilities, but he is still consider human. Meaning, He still could die and he still has feelings. Many my look at this differently, but Orochimaru is just like any other character; Human. (Example: He set up a defense for Four-Tail Kyuubi Naruto TBB. He said so himself that if the attack was to make contact than he is a goner.) That example shows you that Orochimaru is not truly immortal and cares for his life cause if not than he would have to take the attack straight on.

 

[AverageJoenin]

wow i cant believe i read your whole post+every reply. bascially Oro was super strong in part 1 but in ship almost everyone surpassed him. well besides the obvious tenten and ino and sakura and wait jsut about every girl int he orig 11. LOL not being sexist. ya Oro was still a very interesting character but kabuto is doing a good job replacing him. just to sum up all the posts so far ^^

 

[blazekev90]

I was saying hes not as good as some other people in the series and i think he makes some silly mistakes (just with immortality jutsu) that makes him weaker, people then attacked me saying it was obvious that people like Pein etc would beat him which i agreed with. My initial post was to say that he isnt as strong as other people, but i made the mistake of not mentioning specific people - which we have just covered so yeah.
Oh and tsunade (i beleive) states that she couldn't fully heal herself. - but maybe thats just in anime?
as for more people - Ichiraku Ramen Guy XD

- lol all jokes aside

- hanzo
- Kakashi at current stage
- Shikamaru (although oro is probably just as tactically advanced. + knows all of the shadow possession abilities
- Bee
- Ooniki
- Kisame
- Tobi

Im sure il think of more

this still makes no sense, you say he's weak for his immoral jutsu and how ppl overrate him (ive never seen that). Now, you say your intial post was to say he isnt as strong as others, which had stated nothng along those lines.

I'm waiting for you to come the your senes as of how you failed.

the list you just listed is the worse, as cant even take it serious as Oro could obviously win or lose (tobi)

I just actually had a logical debate against someone else with Oro vs Bee but wont do such things in such a thread like this. Also, the fact that you have to sit there n think of a lis t shows you didnt know what you were talking about, you didnt even know about half the facts regarding others.