Orochimaru is weak in Comparison - With Proof!

[Mehedihasanhimel]

nice thread.

 

[Cascade]

And you dare to call him weak after explaining such things. No.. Just no.

Read the title, read the post, then come back to me
I shouldn't have to reexplain everything thats in the OP

 

[DaNarutoFan]

Woah, thats so mcuh to read.
yeah Orochimaru is sorta overated, i like your thread tho

 

[Prime Rib]

oro is a s-rank ninja he aint weak, theres just always 1 person stronger than the other

 

[Shinozgr8]

imo...oro is in no way weak. he was only overshadowed in shippuden because of plot no jutsu. and he was sick in shippuden until sasuke defeated him. he was never again at full health after beating 3rd hokage. he killed the 4th kazekage also...hell he wasn't taking hiruzen or 4 tails naruto seriously. he even continued to fight 4 tails even in his weakened state...he had enough strength to move on his own in itachi's tsuku. the only reason ppl might see him as "weak" compared to other characters is cuz he's not all about flashy jutsu and such. he's what a ninja USED to be. a tactical ninja. a fighter who's fights we actually enjoy seeing. not just summoning forests that could wipe out an entire army if they breathed. anko and hiruzen compared him to be a match for the 4th hokage BEFORE oro left konoha. had enough chakra inside sasuke to create 8 headed snake move. btw, kisame would not win against orochimaru. idk what gave you that idea.

the man who can summon the 1st, 2nd, and 4th hokage (if he wasn't sealed) is definitely NOT weak, just because he didn't summon an army like kabuto. most of kabuto's army came from shippuden anyway, so oro's choices were limited. plus it was a more psychological thing to summon the hokages rather than some other random ninja hiruzen had no connection with.

1st: Oro WAS op with edo tensei. he only broke a sweat when hiruzen sealed his arms because hiruzen had THAT jutsu...

2nd: i already mentioned the ets

3rd: already covered

4th: already covered. he was only shown weak because it just so happened to be a 3 year time-skip and in that time, oro was most vunerable. he was not shown weak in pt 1. unfortunately, things had to take place in shippuden to move the plot along. so you shouldn't call him weak because he was meant to die

5th: again, you can't control the plot

6th: you say oro's made no progress, but he has. even behind the scenes. and even in his sickened state, he was able to give sasuke the training he needed to become great. even teaching him how to use kirin. did kurenai make any progress? did asuma? gai? in fact, none of the older generation made progress over the ts except kakashi

7th: no he was not taking 4 tails seriously. unless you call smiling at the sight of his body burning away being serious. unless you call provoking naruto to further transform when he KNEW the outcome is being serious. in his ill state, he was able to keep up with 4 tails. could kakashi? gai? yamato? hell, jiraiya? in an ill state? oro is one of a kind for this feat

8th: it doesn't matter if itachi is weakened or healthy with totsuka blade; he'll beat anyone with it. so you can't call oro weak for being defeated by an op weapon that we STILL don't know how itachi got...and even then, orochimaru had enough chakra stored in sasuke to come out in a huge 8 headed serpent form. the size of his own tailed beast. that much chakra, and you're calling him weak?

9th: give me a list of ninja who could easily beat oro that's "alive" currently. not edo'd...hmmmm no one. he was top of his class in akatsuki before itachi came. and even still, he was able to move in itachi's genjutsu. a most impressive feat. and you're calling him weak?

10th: what other characters over took him? sasuke- it was meant to be. 4tails- as i stated, keeping up with 4 tails is very impressive. other than that, who over took him? itachi- swing of a legendary blade that one shots anyone, so that's not exactly impressive. any others? hmmmmm no. other characters flourished because most of them were just being introduced; ex: the rest of akatsuki. and even then, oro could still beat the majority of them. no one in konoha surpassed oro except sasu/naru.

11th: pleeeaaasssseee tell me which of the konoha 11 could beat orochimaru. anyone who can say that is reallyyyy feelin their *****kat a little too much!

all in all, if you can call someone like oro weak because other characters had to be introduced and had to get screen time, then you should rethink your idea of being "strong"

 

[Shinozgr8]

Well if u had read the first half, you would have realised that i acknowledged him as a strong ninja, i explained him attacking sarutobi - the pros and cons of his fight with him.
I explained that he fought on equal ground with Tsunade and Jiraiya,
i explained that he had a lot of research and is to credit for Kabuto's success
Also, Orochimaru betrayed the Akatsuki and wasnt powerful enough to defend himself at all so him being an S-Class could be to do with the fact that he did a bunch of experiments then bailed on konoha

Also, Orochimaru had his arms Vs Naruto 4 tails after taking Gen'yūmaru's body - and after seeing the tailed beast bomb in 4 tails mode - decided to take the battle seriously as Naruto could kill him.



Dear God, Reread the title, it was changed within the first 20 seconds of this thread's creation.

also, by the time he tanked some of the tailed beast bomb, the fight was over. he just pushed him away, and then he left. there was nothing to take serious after that

 

[Cascade]

Woah, nice, +rep, but i have to disagree on some points.
Firstly Vs 4 Tails - he was taking him seriously, i have even provided proof of it
my arguement was also not against oro as a person, as i like his character a lot.
To respond to your arguement i guess i'd need to understand your idea of 'strength', but once again, i wasnt calling him weak, just saying that comparatively to such people like Nagato, Itachi and even sasuke/naruto of the time he was alive / now he is COMPARITIVELY weaker.
Also i dont particularly want to turn this into a VS's thread but i beleive Kisame could defeat Oro - using his own chakra against him and eventually drowning him.

Also, FYI Naruto is a member of the konoha 11, as is shikamaru, both of which i think would stand a chance against Oro.

Oh thankyou also for shedding some light on plot no jutsu - yes oro did have to die, yes other characters had to be introduced, and yes oro had limited people to choose for edo. but if u look at the power of some of the akatsuki - some of the people in Edo atm, some of the people in the war - you can see the improvements in their abilities over time - whereas you've only mentioned that he improved Sasuke's abilities (rather than his own)

Also, Kakashi is one of the main protagonists - and Oro one of the main antagonists - wouldn't u assume that oro should have made progress and that side char's such as kurenei wouldnt?

Overall, you present some descent points, and i agree that Oro was one of the last few remaining actual 'ninja' of the series rather than magicians summoning magical powers.
But overall i suppose the power scaling just changed dramatically between the series and i personally felt that he was left behind - and that others managed to catch up with him.

So yeah plotnojutsu all the way s0n

 

[purewesome]

lolzz he killed two kages without a sweat and faced two sanins and mastered 2 kinjutsu which are now base for 4th ninja war

man its just he got killed and power balance is off the sheet in shippuden but saying he is weak no way he is strong

 

[Cascade]

two kages without a sweat?? he lost his arms and it weakened him until he got into his new body - so much so that he even went to Tsunade for help.

He created the base - didnt fully complete them ready for war...so...idk what ur trying to say.

 

[Shinozgr8]

Woah, nice, +rep, but i have to disagree on some points.
Firstly Vs 4 Tails - he was taking him seriously, i have even provided proof of it
my arguement was also not against oro as a person, as i like his character a lot.
To respond to your arguement i guess i'd need to understand your idea of 'strength', but once again, i wasnt calling him weak, just saying that comparatively to such people like Nagato, Itachi and even sasuke/naruto of the time he was alive / now he is COMPARITIVELY weaker.
Also i dont particularly want to turn this into a VS's thread but i beleive Kisame could defeat Oro - using his own chakra against him and eventually drowning him.

Also, FYI Naruto is a member of the konoha 11, as is shikamaru, both of which i think would stand a chance against Oro.

Oh thankyou also for shedding some light on plot no jutsu - yes oro did have to die, yes other characters had to be introduced, and yes oro had limited people to choose for edo. but if u look at the power of some of the akatsuki - some of the people in Edo atm, some of the people in the war - you can see the improvements in their abilities over time - whereas you've only mentioned that he improved Sasuke's abilities (rather than his own)

Also, Kakashi is one of the main protagonists - and Oro one of the main antagonists - wouldn't u assume that oro should have made progress and that side char's such as kurenei wouldnt?

Overall, you present some descent points, and i agree that Oro was one of the last few remaining actual 'ninja' of the series rather than magicians summoning magical powers.
But overall i suppose the power scaling just changed dramatically between the series and i personally felt that he was left behind - and that others managed to catch up with him.

So yeah plotnojutsu all the way s0n

i do agree. he is one of the top ninja that don't need flashy techs and such to be a powerhouse. i don't feel like pointing out any points right now lol i haven't slep ._.

but imo, if oro plays smart, kisame's water dome would pose little threat since oro uses anaconda summons, and is known to maneuver while inside them. meh true, he hasn't really improved on his own techs. probably because he was busy trying to prepare for a new host. i'd think that a new body is more important than learning/perfecting the many techs he already has, especially if his body barely let him do so. so i'm assuming that's why he really didn't get that much stronger in shippuden. did the databooks show any improvement for him? hmmmm thinking. oh another thing, he may not have been able to beat 6 paths of pein, but he would get much farther than jiraiya, because of his endurance alone. but other than pein/nagato, i believe he could take the rest of akatsuki. even maybe itachi if he would just get his head out of his ass. U_U all in all, i do kinda believe that his defeat was a bit rushed. but i guess the show must go on.

and thanks for making the thread. i'm excited i actually got the chance to think rather than looking at the same ol threads!

 

[Cascade]

i do agree. he is one of the top ninja that don't need flashy techs and such to be a powerhouse. i don't feel like pointing out any points right now lol i haven't slep ._.

but imo, if oro plays smart, kisame's water dome would pose little threat since oro uses anaconda summons, and is known to maneuver while inside them. meh true, he hasn't really improved on his own techs. probably because he was busy trying to prepare for a new host. i'd think that a new body is more important than learning/perfecting the many techs he already has, especially if his body barely let him do so. so i'm assuming that's why he really didn't get that much stronger in shippuden. did the databooks show any improvement for him? hmmmm thinking. oh another thing, he may not have been able to beat 6 paths of pein, but he would get much farther than jiraiya, because of his endurance alone. but other than pein/nagato, i believe he could take the rest of akatsuki. even maybe itachi if he would just get his head out of his ass. U_U all in all, i do kinda believe that his defeat was a bit rushed. but i guess the show must go on.

and thanks for making the thread. i'm excited i actually got the chance to think rather than looking at the same ol threads!

Yeah Oro definitly has some positive attributes - thats why i didnt make an entirely negative post - i pointed out his skills as well.
It's also important to note that never once did i mention that Oro was less powerful than Jiraiya and Tsunade - but had to flee from both of them at once.
I Think that Oro and Jiraiya are somewhat on par during part 1 - leaving Tsunade in the dust a little but - but what we're seeing in the war now demonstrates her usefulness.

As for the water dome, im sure it would be an epic battle and interesting to see whos on top - but ultimately Kisame feeds off another persons chakra, Oro can fling as many snakes as he wants into water -but if they cant breath like Kisame and Oro's chakra is being drained, it is unlikely he would survive. (IMO)

As for improvement over part 1 - shippuden - that was the main reason i made this thread - every other single character (almost) seemed to gain atleast some sort of improvement over the time skip. Oro may have been focusing on training Sasuke - but it didnt pay off for him in the end - and Oro (who btw is attempting to learn the secrets of every single jutsu) neglected to improve himself over the 3 years. Maybe he thought his improvement was going to be Sasuke's body - but what happens once 3 years expires there?

No worries, always fun to make something like this, good to debate and have friendly discussions with everyone . i get tired of the same threads being made over and over too 'minato is so op, ftg is the best, Itachi = ultimate ninja, Nagato vs Minato would win' its all so repetitive

Anyone else got anything to add to this post XD im excited to see!

:T_T:

 

[Dark Artist]

lol this thread is fail

some idiots think that Orochimaru is overrated WTF

he is extreamly underrated by idiots like these people

he was fighting 2 kage level with no hands ( jiraiya and tsunade )
he was fighting 4 tailed naruto with no hands and with a smile in his face

he got stabbed by a giant sword ( susano ) and still laughing and calling himself immortal

he killed the third hokage ( the third hogake got stabbed by the light sword remember )
he killed the fourth kazekage with ease

he has edo tensei
u can't beat him with ninjutsu or physical attacks

has a long ass sword ( naruto vs oro fight )
and a long tounge and neck

has alot of powerful summons and giant snakes
( most akatsuki members don't have summons ! )

has 5 elements seal for sealing ur chakara
can change his body and take a stronger body

has Unlimited swords from his stomach

and u still call him weak ?

what an idiot

 

[Cascade]

lol this thread is fail

some idiots think that Orochimaru is overrated WTF

he is extreamly underrated by idiots like these people

he was fighting 2 kage level with no hands ( jiraiya and tsunade )
he was fighting 4 tailed naruto with no hands and with a smile in his face

he got stabbed by a giant sword ( susano ) and still laughing and calling himself immortal

he killed the third hokage ( the third hogake got stabbed by the light sword remember )
he killed the fourth kazekage with ease

he has edo tensei
u can't beat him with ninjutsu or physical attacks

has a long ass sword ( naruto vs oro fight )
and a long tounge and neck

has alot of powerful summons and giant snakes
( most akatsuki members don't have summons ! )

has 5 elements seal for sealing ur chakara
can change his body and take a stronger body

has Unlimited swords from his stomach

and u still call him weak ?

what an idiot

1. Both Tsunade and Jiraiya were weakened just like Oro was - read the post before you open your mouth
2. He had use of his hands vs 4 Tails - and was troubled by the tailed beast bomb - see OP
3. He was then SEALED by that sword!
4. He killed an elderly Third Hokage - who had to fight Oro unexpectedly AND still sealed away the First, Second and Oro's hands
5. Edo Tensei doesn't make you invinsible, it makes you harder to beat
6. He never killed the fourth hokage
7. Long limbs dont make him powerful and other people have just as many summons - Other Akatsuki members (such as Nagato, Kisame) have summonings.
8. Cant change his body at will - once every 3 years and he is extremely weak during this time
9. Find the chapter where is says he has 'unlimited' swords. he generates snakes that have some swords but they're not endless.

+ You miss the whole point of this thread, why do u bother posting if your not going read the original thread and just be an ignorant fool, or to use your words 'idiot'

find any proof to support your arguements + be accurate then talk, otherwise please stfu

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

Orochimaru is not weak. The people you mentioned that could kill him are all the overpowered people. Orochimaru was strong like Jaraiya but he fell to Nagato too. Just because others are stronger doesn't mean he is weak.

As for Kabuto. He wouldn't be where he is without Orochimaru's work. Kabuto is has just taken Orochimaru's work to the next level.

 

[blazekev90]

Haha I almost brought myself the time to fully entertain this thread, koo story bro

 

[stoikis]

orochimaru is soo underrated

 

[medal32]

I think oro was pretty powerfull we just never got to see his strenght, similar to Hiruzen

 

[Cascade]

It still amazes me that people will comment with things that ive already covered in the OP or that they dont understand the point of the thread,
Read the original post before you make stupid comments like 'your an idiot, oro was so strong and ur just comparing him'...because thats the POINT of this thread LOL

 

[gazmatic]

it is not fair to compare part 1 to part 2 but then again... orochimaru is far from weak... its just that kishi has to improve on what he had and create stronger people and of course the characters have to improve... besides... didnt you listen when the third said that the new generation will surpass the old? point... third stronger than second and firts. minato(potentially though not witnessed) stronger than third and naruto soon(or sooner than later) surpassing the fourth. get it? there has to be some kinda of progression otherwise it wouldn't be fun. but oro is def not weak.

 

[HiddenSound]

You can't compare most characters, even a Sannin, to people such as Nagato, Itachi, and current Naruto. Almost everyone is under them. And the reason Orochimaru lost Itachi was that he had no idea his sword was the Blade of Totsuka, plus it's the Blade of freaking Totsuka even Nagato lost to it. And his Immortality Jutsu was meant for immortality, not offense and defense. Also, how can Kisame kill the likes of Orochimaru? Drown him? IMO they are in 2 different leagues, as are most compared to Orochimaru, IMO. But don't get me wrong, you made some very good points.