Well, you can compare it...you can compare/contrast anything, and personally i believe that Oro was pretty over-rated, (and the sannin as a whole actually...(although i like the characters so much)) in comparison to more rescent ninja etc.
I mean u can say the power scaling is different as the series progresses, but the fact is that Oro reached his limit at end of part 1 - didnt improve into shippuden - and he was into his 50s-60s.
Naruto and Sasuke who are about 16-17 atm have well surpassed him, - along with some of the konoha 11 too.
Dont rule them out and remember that Oro (although he was killed for plotnojutsu) was relatively weak in comparison to a lot of people in the manga/anime currently.
this thread fails in so many ways it's quiet ridiculous.
Part 1: You try and flaw him are only successfully summoning 2 Edo, rather than an army like Kabuto. Where you compare part 1 to part 2 on a power scale still, as Edo should have been enhanced and he only waned to summon the Hokages, what more did he need? Not knowing the 3rd had death reapor seal, three Hokages would have been over kill, so downplaying him for only using two=shit. Also, throughout the conflict his Edo were owning majority of the fight, but could only perform on the power scale at the moment of the series.
Also, you mention the Sannin fight and discuss her "running way." But really wft did you expect him to do, he couldnt perform any jutsu and was standing in front of two Sannin and Tsunades assistant and at this time Kabuto was unable to fight. If anything the fact the Orochimaru was willing to fight Jman not knowing him being drugged proved was willing to go at it regardless. This match-up showed exactly how BA Orochimaru was, no other could have fought two shinobi without being able to use ninjutsu.
Shippuden: You start off with the fight against the Kybuui, after the three gap. Now, this starting off Orochimaru was already at the time where his body was starting to reject him slowly, yet he used body replacement 3 times, gates, 10,000 snakes and other jutsu, while he tested the power of the kybuui. He used gates simply because he as no one else could take a direct tbb blast to the face. In fight he didnt use any of his strong summons, shyt basically anything at all. For Orochi this was nothing more than a playful match that happen to have occurred during his time of sickness. This he owned for that.
Itachi: now against Itachi at the 1st incident we dont know what occurred except the fact that he was caught in genjutsu. Who cant be caught in genjustu? In fact he was caught in genjustu by the best user in the series and was still able to move!! This shows that his resistance is greater than many gave him credit for. The 2nd incident Oro used 8 branch technique, a technique that Itachi was very familiar with ALREADY. Itachi knew what to expect, while Oro was surprised once again and who knew his chakra level. Nonetheless, this incident could have easily happened to any shinobi in the series at any given time.
Sauske: I dont know why you mentioned this, he was in a weakened state and still had the opportunity to kill Sasuke, but didnt. Even Sasuke admitted that he only won due to his weakened state.
Now, you list his accomplishments but I dont think you have really taken into account ALL that we have seen from him. 8 branch and Edo alone are OP, but having Sword is the Kusanagi that he could control remotely, sealing, genjustu, his OWN dimenision, wind release, slithering mode, and immortality!! All this would own most shinobi, expect Nagato, Tobi, Madara (currently), Muu.
Lord Orochimaru is boss bruh, get with the porgram
this thread fails in so many ways it's quiet ridiculous.
Part 1: You try and flaw him are only successfully summoning 2 Edo, rather than an army like Kabuto. Where you compare part 1 to part 2 on a power scale still, as Edo should have been enhanced and he only waned to summon the Hokages, what more did he need? Not knowing the 3rd had death reapor seal, three Hokages would have been over kill, so downplaying him for only using two=shit. Also, throughout the conflict his Edo were owning majority of the fight, but could only perform on the power scale at the moment of the series.
Also, you mention the Sannin fight and discuss her "running way." But really wft did you expect him to do, he couldnt perform any jutsu and was standing in front of two Sannin and Tsunades assistant and at this time Kabuto was unable to fight. If anything the fact the Orochimaru was willing to fight Jman not knowing him being drugged proved was willing to go at it regardless. This match-up showed exactly how BA Orochimaru was, no other could have fought two shinobi without being able to use ninjutsu.
Shippuden: You start off with the fight against the Kybuui, after the three gap. Now, this starting off Orochimaru was already at the time where his body was starting to reject him slowly, yet he used body replacement 3 times, gates, 10,000 snakes and other jutsu, while he tested the power of the kybuui. He used gates simply because he as no one else could take a direct tbb blast to the face. In fight he didnt use any of his strong summons, shyt basically anything at all. For Orochi this was nothing more than a playful match that happen to have occurred during his time of sickness. This he owned for that.
Itachi: now against Itachi at the 1st incident we dont know what occurred except the fact that he was caught in genjutsu. Who cant be caught in genjustu? In fact he was caught in genjustu by the best user in the series and was still able to move!! This shows that his resistance is greater than many gave him credit for. The 2nd incident Oro used 8 branch technique, a technique that Itachi was very familiar with ALREADY. Itachi knew what to expect, while Oro was surprised once again and who knew his chakra level. Nonetheless, this incident could have easily happened to any shinobi in the series at any given time.
Sauske: I dont know why you mentioned this, he was in a weakened state and still had the opportunity to kill Sasuke, but didnt. Even Sasuke admitted that he only won due to his weakened state.
Now, you list his accomplishments but I dont think you have really taken into account ALL that we have seen from him. 8 branch and Edo alone are OP, but having Sword is the Kusanagi that he could control remotely, sealing, genjustu, his OWN dimenision, wind release, slithering mode, and immortality!! All this would own most shinobi, expect Nagato, Tobi, Madara (currently), Muu.
Lord Orochimaru is boss bruh, get with the porgram
this thread fails in so many ways it's quiet ridiculous.
Part 1: You try and flaw him are only successfully summoning 2 Edo, rather than an army like Kabuto. Where you compare part 1 to part 2 on a power scale still, as Edo should have been enhanced and he only waned to summon the Hokages, what more did he need? Not knowing the 3rd had death reapor seal, three Hokages would have been over kill, so downplaying him for only using two=shit. Also, throughout the conflict his Edo were owning majority of the fight, but could only perform on the power scale at the moment of the series.
Also, you mention the Sannin fight and discuss her "running way." But really wft did you expect him to do, he couldnt perform any jutsu and was standing in front of two Sannin and Tsunades assistant and at this time Kabuto was unable to fight. If anything the fact the Orochimaru was willing to fight Jman not knowing him being drugged proved was willing to go at it regardless. This match-up showed exactly how BA Orochimaru was, no other could have fought two shinobi without being able to use ninjutsu.
Shippuden: You start off with the fight against the Kybuui, after the three gap. Now, this starting off Orochimaru was already at the time where his body was starting to reject him slowly, yet he used body replacement 3 times, gates, 10,000 snakes and other jutsu, while he tested the power of the kybuui. He used gates simply because he as no one else could take a direct tbb blast to the face. In fight he didnt use any of his strong summons, shyt basically anything at all. For Orochi this was nothing more than a playful match that happen to have occurred during his time of sickness. This he owned for that.
Itachi: now against Itachi at the 1st incident we dont know what occurred except the fact that he was caught in genjutsu. Who cant be caught in genjustu? In fact he was caught in genjustu by the best user in the series and was still able to move!! This shows that his resistance is greater than many gave him credit for. The 2nd incident Oro used 8 branch technique, a technique that Itachi was very familiar with ALREADY. Itachi knew what to expect, while Oro was surprised once again and who knew his chakra level. Nonetheless, this incident could have easily happened to any shinobi in the series at any given time.
Sauske: I dont know why you mentioned this, he was in a weakened state and still had the opportunity to kill Sasuke, but didnt. Even Sasuke admitted that he only won due to his weakened state.
Now, you list his accomplishments but I dont think you have really taken into account ALL that we have seen from him. 8 branch and Edo alone are OP, but having Sword is the Kusanagi that he could control remotely, sealing, genjustu, his OWN dimenision, wind release, slithering mode, and immortality!! All this would own most shinobi, expect Nagato, Tobi, Madara (currently), Muu.
Lord Orochimaru is boss bruh, get with the porgram
Firstly, this is an opinion, you dont need to shut everything down as if what im saying is law, im merely pointing out my perspective and the proof/reasoning as to why i beleive that. If you disagree thats fine, but it doesn't make my opinion 'ridiculous'.
1. yes i have already expressed that the power scaling is different from part 1 to shippuden - try reading the other posts as well as the OP. And also, for the situation that he was in - with edo, a surprise attack up his sleeve, with hiruzen at an aged and weakened state, and everything going according to HIS plan, it makes him weak in comparison that he STILL manage to fail - even with all of the preparation. As for summoning the past 2 Edo's - my comparison was between the use of edo in both situations and the amount of edo summoned - its common sense to assume that oro bringing back 2 < than kabuto bringing back 40+.
In regards to the Sannin fight, never once did i ever once EVER say that Oro wasn't a BA char, nor that he was awesome to take them on - i explained that it was awesome that he took them both on in the original post. But ultimately - he ended up losing - and to be honest, there were just so many techniques that he could use without his hands anyway that it made his weakness sort of irrelevant
Shippuden: The weakness of his body rejecting him was HIS OWN MAKING - his form of immortality (which btw backfired as his greed eventually caused him to lose his life anyway) weakens him towards the time of needing a new body, you can't say that 'if oro is at full power, he owns everyone' because the fact is, he isnt at full power all the time because of the way his immortality jutsu works. Why is it then so amazing that he could use his regular jutsu in a fight.
and no, he was toying with Naruto all the way up until he saw the beast bomb and the 4 tails. Once again, ur assuming im insulting has character and badassness - which im not. I like him as a character so you pointing out that he owned for that isn't something i disagree with.
Itachi: Yes, Oro was caught in a genjutsu - because Itachi is a better ninja than him LOL, his resiliance against the genjutsu of 'still being able to move' meant nothing because he still couldn't do anything against Itachi.
As for the second incident, just because Itachi knows of 'orochimaru's hydra technique' doesnt know he means everything about the jutsu, as well as that - know the technique is irrelevant - Itachi still managed to beat Oro in one swipe - keep in mind that the OP is a COMPARISON between power and characters - im not calling Oro weak, just saying his relatively weaker than others.
Sasuke: Yes, Oro was in a weakened state...and once again - as ive explained plenty of times already - his weakened state is his own doing - its a result of a jutsu that he created and therefore his weakness is his own fault and makes him comparatively weaker. Sasuke is what, 15-16 during this time, even a weakened Oro with all of his experience should have put up a better fight.
I dont understand why im receiving so much hate for making a post of my opinion and then backing it up with relevant proof. If your a like Oro then i get it, but again im not saying that he's weak in general, i appreciate his abilities, achievements, and powers, but they just seem to fail in comparison to the feats of so many other characters through the series (especially later series) and therefore is comparatively weaker and in retrospect - he was over-estimated earlier in the series (due to the fact that his power scaling made him the main antagonist of part 1)
once again, ur ignoring everything that im saying.
i am NOT a hater of Orochimaru at ALL, i really like oro, and his abilities.
Also everything uve posted is in Part 1 (Although im sure there are still people who fear Oro in shippuden) - He is also 'toying' with the 3rd hokage who is extremely old - and him 'toying' around with hiruzen is what made him lose his arms.
Once again, i do not have any problem with his character, ofcourse he has the guts to take on Hiruzen, im not denying that hes a badass. im just saying that in retrospect his abilities and reputation was over-estimated in comparison to what has happened throughout shippuden.
Now don't get me wrong, I personally really like Oro as a character, and he brought some real depth to the Naruto series. I am not saying that Oro is not powerful, but that he is extremely over - estimated in comparison to other characters.
Some important things need to be said.
Techniques:
- Orochimaru is seen to use a variety of techniques - obviously mostly pertaining to that of snakes.
- His mastery of Jutsu, including chakra control is almost unrivaled throughout the series (at least part 1) and he seems to have an endless amount of chakra at his disposal.
- Orochimaru easily avoids most Jutsu’s and physical attacks do not seem to effect him at all:
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- Orochimaru has probably the largest knowledge of poisons within the whole narutoverse and could take advantage of that (and even implement it into his own blood when in his white snake form)
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+ a Strong mastery of Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Genjutsu.
Orochimaru's primary goal throughout Naruto has been to gain every single jutsu and gain knowledge of everything in the world - leading to his great discovery of the immortality jutsu. He also seems to be masterful over the edo tensei technique - bringing back the powerful souls of the first and second Hokage's.
Orochimaru is presented as God-Like - attacks do not seem to effect him at all, he has multiple powers and allies, and controls the sound village. He has a strong history and experiments with forbidden Jutsu's.
He controls the leaf cutting sword at will and is seemingly immortal - pouring his soul from body to body.
Achievements:
- Defeat of Hiruzen - in his old age
- Perfection of immortality Jutsu
- Successful experiments - Yamato, Juugo - curse mark
- Persuasive personality - taking advantage of strong warriors
- Bringing back First and Second hokage's.
- Fighting on par with Naruto in Awakened Beast Mode (BM) state.
- having extensive knowledge of human anatomy, DNA transplant, Jutsu control, Extensive research at his fingertips etc.
All of these achievements prove Orochimaru to be a pretty strong opponent.
BUT
All of these achievements mean nothing in comparison to that of other characters of the series. Here is why:
Firstly, we see Orochimaru primarily within only part 1 of Naruto - and although there are certainly some seriously epic fights, battles, and abilities within part 1 - these all seem to fail in comparison to Shippuden.
Part 1 is the opening of Naruto - every single primary character is in their youth and have not discovered their true power yet, they are at most 10-13 years old during part 1. A 50-60 year old - with the youth of a 20 year old such as Orochimaru is SUPPOSED to be over powered at this stage!
He defeats Hiruzen in a weakened and older state, and toys with 10-13 year olds - and is therefore definitely not as powerful as he makes out to be.
He fights on par with his other sannin - the legendary sannin 3 - Tsunade (weakened by Kabuto's ability) and Jiraiya (poisoned by Tsunade). But for all his worth still ends up running away from the fight (although i understand his arms were gone and it was 2v1 + Kabuto)
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He masters the edo tensei but only summons 2 people back,
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- and yet in the manga and anime now - we are able to see Kabuto summon over 40 extremely powerful opponents and control them reasonably easily (with a few exceptions of course).
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He also masters the immortality jutsu - but his form of immortality also leaves him extremely weak and in a sickened state throughout the whole series and just makes him appear fragile.
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- Even after receiving a new body after Hiruzen took his arms and Orochimaru became confident again - nothing happened - we went straight to fillers and then shippuden.
He is the main protagonist of part 1 and the real story behind the initial part of the series and plays his part well, but soon the abilities of the young people he fought against seem to catch up with him and overtake him easily.
The scale of his power from the first series suffers in comparison to the seemingly OP powers of Shippuden.
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Orochimaru in Shippuden
Firstly - Orochimaru is introduced to shippuden as being quite powerful still - but Naruto - someone who Orochimaru could easily toy with in Part 1 - has now improved vastly in skills, power, control and technique (along with letting the Kyuubi Take over). Their first meeting in Shippuden on the heaven bridge personifies Oro as still having the same abilities that he had in part 1 - hes made no progress since the start of part 1 where he was introduced. Furthermore - Orochimaru's battle - in which he barely survives (IMO) is ended abruptly due to Yamato - and Orochimaru's 'time running out'
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I would also like to note that Orochimaru was indeed taking Naruto seriously once he reached 4 tails mode - whilst only toying with him in 3 tails.
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In his time of weakness - and as the end of his limit for holding onto a body draws near - Orochimaru depends upon Sasuke and his body for revival.
This is where Orochimaru really seems to fail for me.
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- Oro had trained Sasuke and knew what he was capable of, he knew the darkness in Sasuke's heart and knew what Sasuke's true desires were for joining him - to defeat Itachi.
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When Sasuke defeated Oro in Oro's alternate dimension it proves how Orochimaru seems to fall in comparison to the other characters of the series.
Naruto has weakened him and Orochimaru has fallen due to his cycle, while Sasuke takes advantage of Oro's weakness (a smart move) and kills him/takes him over using his experience with the sharingan.
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Now you can point the finger and say that Orochimaru was weak at the time,
but that was a weakness of his own devising - considering that he created his immortality jutsu, and waited so long to change bodies when he was weakened so much makes Orochimaru seem inferior in comparison to some other characters.
On top of ALL of this, all of these events take place within the first 100 episodes of Shippuden! There are so many other amazingly powerful opponents such as Nagato, Itachi - (actually pretty much anyone with MS or Sharingan), Kisame, the list goes on... that could easily defeat Orochimaru.
Evidence lies within the Sasuke Vs Itachi fight that Orochimaru - even after resting in Sasuke's body, completely taking over, and using his ultimate ability the 'eight branches technique' was easily defeated by (a weakened) Itachi and his Totsuka blade.
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Furthermore the stage that Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto and other main protagonists are demonstrating within this series seem to make Orochimaru and his techniques/achievements totally insignificant. (Of course Orochimaru's research etc helped Kabuto reach the stage he is now)
In Summary, Orochimaru was a highly praised jutsu expert and genius, some of his abilities are yet to be replicated or considered by other characters and he was DEFINITELY powerful (At least in Part 1).
But as time continued into Shippuden - Orochimaru's abilities did not seem to improve at all while other characters flourished and over took him thus causing Orochimaru to over estimate his own abilities and die at the hands of Sasuke and then again to Itachi.
The power demonstrated by other characters throughout later parts of the series make Orochimaru a much weaker opponent in comparison to other characters and i could even imagine some of the Konoha 11 defeating him.
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Ok, so I skimmed the whole thing, and I understand what you're saying, but I really want to know who exactly are you comparing Orochimaru to in this thread? You say he is weak in comparison, weak in comparison to who??? That is a very arbitrary statement, especially since you don't explain it. Sure, he isn't the strongest, but he has shown that he can hang with the strongest ninja out there! I'd say he is top 20 in the Naruto universe, and maybe even top 15. That is certainly not weak at all. I think you're underrating him a bit.
I would also like to note that when you mentioned how easily Itachi took him out, that was ENTIRELY due to the fact that Orochimaru had no idea that Itachi had the Sword of Totsuka. Had it been any old sword, he would have won for sure. In reality he got trolled there massively. His true potential I believe was never shown. In part 1 because power levels were a lot lower (and he was toying with the third, if he had been trying from the start he would have definitely won without being damaged), and in Shippuden because he was missing his arms for the whole thing until the end where he got trolled. So no, I don't think he is weak.
Once again, he's not weak, hes weaker comparatively...if your going to put him on top 20, then hes weaker than the other 19 - and i personally was comparing him to other akatsuki members and comparing him against himself from part 1 - shippuden - saying that he didnt really improve from first series, while the kids he toyed with managed to catch up so much with him.
If the power levels from part 1 < shippuden, while Oro part 1 = Oro Shippuden, then he really hasnt improved - which is why i think he was a bit too hyped.
i am not saying he is weak, or that i do not like his character, im just saying that he's comparatively weaker than other characters for the hype that he recieved.
Also his 'toying' is a part of his weakness because he over-estimated his own abilities.
Your right, hes not weak, ive said it over 100x in this thread. Maybe read it a bit more in depth? idk, its just an opinion, theres no right or wrong answer here lol
Just quick, isnt it kind of ironic that the Sannin that claimed to have immortality - was the first of the Sannin to die. lol
im about to get a whole lot of hate, just for having my own opinion, u dont need to agree with it, nor do u have to hate on me because ur opinion differs >.>
Once again, he's not weak, hes weaker comparatively...if your going to put him on top 20, then hes weaker than the other 19 - and i personally was comparing him to other akatsuki members and comparing him against himself from part 1 - shippuden - saying that he didnt really improve from first series, while the kids he toyed with managed to catch up so much with him.
If the power levels from part 1 < shippuden, while Oro part 1 = Oro Shippuden, then he really hasnt improved - which is why i think he was a bit too hyped.
i am not saying he is weak, or that i do not like his character, im just saying that he's comparatively weaker than other characters for the hype that he recieved.
Also his 'toying' is a part of his weakness because he over-estimated his own abilities.
Your right, hes not weak, ive said it over 100x in this thread. Maybe read it a bit more in depth? idk, its just an opinion, theres no right or wrong answer here lol
Just quick, isnt it kind of ironic that the Sannin that claimed to have immortality - was the first of the Sannin to die. lol
Then what, anyone can say every ninja is "weak comparatively" to someone else. Kabuto is weak compared to the SO6P. Bam. What I did however was compare him to SOMEONE ELSE. Unlike you. You have to have a less arbitrary statement is all I'm saying, otherwise people will rip you apart. Orochimaru is not weak. Not at all. Since you didn't say who exactly he's weaker than, people are bashing you because all it seems that you are doing is saying that he is weak. If you want this thread to make more sense, make it obvious who exactly you're comparing him to, because that is the main problem with this thread. You named your thread "Orochimaru is weak in Comparison" and then didn't compare him to anyone...Instead say "Orochimaru is weak in Comparison...to Akatsuki" or "...to [insert ninja(s)] here".
Now to your claim that he has the same power level in part 2 as in part 1, I feel like I must disagree. We don't KNOW his power levels in either really. He had NO hands in the second, and in the first, we only saw him in 1 real battle where he didn't really try. And honestly, if he had, we all know he would have dominated. It was just plot that he decided to toy with the third, it's not his nature. He only did so because he wanted to destroy the third's will, no other reason, and that plan backfired. In reality, we still don't know his true level of power. So much of this is speculation.
Firstly, this is an opinion, you dont need to shut everything down as if what im saying is law, im merely pointing out my perspective and the proof/reasoning as to why i beleive that. If you disagree thats fine, but it doesn't make my opinion 'ridiculous'.
1. yes i have already expressed that the power scaling is different from part 1 to shippuden - try reading the other posts as well as the OP. And also, for the situation that he was in - with edo, a surprise attack up his sleeve, with hiruzen at an aged and weakened state, and everything going according to HIS plan, it makes him weak in comparison that he STILL manage to fail - even with all of the preparation. As for summoning the past 2 Edo's - my comparison was between the use of edo in both situations and the amount of edo summoned - its common sense to assume that oro bringing back 2 < than kabuto bringing back 40+.
In regards to the Sannin fight, never once did i ever once EVER say that Oro wasn't a BA char, nor that he was awesome to take them on - i explained that it was awesome that he took them both on in the original post. But ultimately - he ended up losing - and to be honest, there were just so many techniques that he could use without his hands anyway that it made his weakness sort of irrelevant
Shippuden: The weakness of his body rejecting him was HIS OWN MAKING - his form of immortality (which btw backfired as his greed eventually caused him to lose his life anyway) weakens him towards the time of needing a new body, you can't say that 'if oro is at full power, he owns everyone' because the fact is, he isnt at full power all the time because of the way his immortality jutsu works. Why is it then so amazing that he could use his regular jutsu in a fight.
and no, he was toying with Naruto all the way up until he saw the beast bomb and the 4 tails. Once again, ur assuming im insulting has character and badassness - which im not. I like him as a character so you pointing out that he owned for that isn't something i disagree with.
Itachi: Yes, Oro was caught in a genjutsu - because Itachi is a better ninja than him LOL, his resiliance against the genjutsu of 'still being able to move' meant nothing because he still couldn't do anything against Itachi.
As for the second incident, just because Itachi knows of 'orochimaru's hydra technique' doesnt know he means everything about the jutsu, as well as that - know the technique is irrelevant - Itachi still managed to beat Oro in one swipe - keep in mind that the OP is a COMPARISON between power and characters - im not calling Oro weak, just saying his relatively weaker than others.
Sasuke: Yes, Oro was in a weakened state...and once again - as ive explained plenty of times already - his weakened state is his own doing - its a result of a jutsu that he created and therefore his weakness is his own fault and makes him comparatively weaker. Sasuke is what, 15-16 during this time, even a weakened Oro with all of his experience should have put up a better fight.
I dont understand why im receiving so much hate for making a post of my opinion and then backing it up with relevant proof. If your a like Oro then i get it, but again im not saying that he's weak in general, i appreciate his abilities, achievements, and powers, but they just seem to fail in comparison to the feats of so many other characters through the series (especially later series) and therefore is comparatively weaker and in retrospect - he was over-estimated earlier in the series (due to the fact that his power scaling made him the main antagonist of part 1)
once again, ur ignoring everything that im saying.
i am NOT a hater of Orochimaru at ALL, i really like oro, and his abilities.
Also everything uve posted is in Part 1 (Although im sure there are still people who fear Oro in shippuden) - He is also 'toying' with the 3rd hokage who is extremely old - and him 'toying' around with hiruzen is what made him lose his arms.
Once again, i do not have any problem with his character, ofcourse he has the guts to take on Hiruzen, im not denying that hes a badass. im just saying that in retrospect his abilities and reputation was over-estimated in comparison to what has happened throughout shippuden.
1) so he's weak because of a plan not going successful??? mostly due to plot no jutsu?? the 3rd was still Hokage, thus him being the strongest person in the village, you make it seem as if he's fodder. The 3rd simply used a technquie no one was aware and thats that, Oro still own the match as one died and he kept on moving. Also, you still mentioning Edo comparsion idk why, its irrelevant.
2) yes, his body at a weak state is a result of the technique, what your point??? No one said at full power he owns all, and he IS at full power once transfering bodies. At this point with all his ablities its more than obvious that he's capable to owning most, SIMPLE!
of course he would get a bit serious with a TBB being used, who wouldnt??? that isnt a low level attack, wft lol.
Itachi could catch anyone in genjust, i guess that means automatic>>>> (fail)
Him knowing that technique is everything and he had the perfect counter for, are you slow????
your argument all are nonsense and I have yet to see you compare him to anyone. These incident (regardless of how wrong you are) prove nothing in comparsion to others, as NONE have been in the same exact situations.
tbh you wasted you time, as this timeline of events showcase NO inferiority.
Then what, anyone can say every ninja is "weak comparatively" to someone else. Kabuto is weak compared to the SO6P. Bam. What I did however was compare him to SOMEONE ELSE. Unlike you. You have to have a less arbitrary statement is all I'm saying, otherwise people will rip you apart. Orochimaru is not weak. Not at all. Since you didn't say who exactly he's weaker than, people are bashing you because all it seems that you are doing is saying that he is weak. If you want this thread to make more sense, make it obvious who exactly you're comparing him to, because that is the main problem with this thread. You named your thread "Orochimaru is weak in Comparison" and then didn't compare him to anyone...Instead say "Orochimaru is weak in Comparison...to Akatsuki" or "...to [insert ninja(s)] here".
Now to your claim that he has the same power level in part 2 as in part 1, I feel like I must disagree. We don't KNOW his power levels in either really. He had NO hands in the second, and in the first, we only saw him in 1 real battle where he didn't really try. And honestly, if he had, we all know he would have dominated. It was just plot that he decided to toy with the third, it's not his nature. He only did so because he wanted to destroy the third's will, no other reason, and that plan backfired. In reality, we still don't know his true level of power. So much of this is speculation.
Fair enough, but i didnt particularly want to turn this into a 'vs thread' 'oro is better than X' because then it just becomes a fanboy competition - and the same as almost every other thread on here, as well as that - yes u can say that kabuto is weaker than so6p - and you would be right, theres nothing wrong with that and thats ur opinion.
as for power level - in my view, oro's power didnt grow - i attempted to back this up with relevant quotes and manga links, if it didnt prove it to you then your entitled to maintain that opinion.
Fair enough, but i didnt particularly want to turn this into a 'vs thread' 'oro is better than X' because then it just becomes a fanboy competition - and the same as almost every other thread on here, as well as that - yes u can say that kabuto is weaker than so6p - and you would be right, theres nothing wrong with that and thats ur opinion.
as for power level - in my view, oro's power didnt grow - i attempted to back this up with relevant quotes and manga links, if it didnt prove it to you then your entitled to maintain that opinion.
you didnt provide anything at all except waste of space. Events that we all are aware that doesnt relate to anyone else, yet this is suppose to be a comparsion thread in what, power? achievement?
1) so he's weak because of a plan not going successful??? mostly due to plot no jutsu?? the 3rd was still Hokage, thus him being the strongest person in the village, you make it seem as if he's fodder. The 3rd simply used a technquie no one was aware and thats that, Oro still own the match as one died and he kept on moving. Also, you still mentioning Edo comparsion idk why, its irrelevant.
2) yes, his body at a weak state is a result of the technique, what your point??? No one said at full power he owns all, and he IS at full power once transfering bodies. At this point with all his ablities its more than obvious that he's capable to owning most, SIMPLE!
of course he would get a bit serious with a TBB being used, who wouldnt??? that isnt a low level attack, wft lol.
Itachi could catch anyone in genjust, i guess that means automatic>>>> (fail)
Him knowing that technique is everything and he had the perfect counter for, are you slow????
your argument all are nonsense and I have yet to see you compare him to anyone. These incident (regardless of how wrong you are) prove nothing in comparsion to others, as NONE have been in the same exact situations.
tbh you wasted you time, as this timeline of events showcase NO inferiority.
Yes i did showcase some inferiority, reread the post. also read the other post i made just after this, i didnt want this to be a vs's thread like everything else on this sight.
If you beleive that Oro is god, powerful, unbeatable, best in naruto, worst in naruto, whatever, its your choice and your opinion to beleive so
i just put up my opinion of oro's abilities, achievements etc and analysed them throughout the naruto series. No need to be rude about it LOL
also if your going to say that 'ofc hes gonna get serious when he sees a TBB' then maybe you should retract your former statement that 'oro was merely toying with naruto' as many people seem to be insistent on.
you didnt provide anything at all except waste of space. Events that we all are aware that doesnt relate to anyone else, yet this is suppose to be a comparsion thread in what, power? achievement?
if you don't like the thread, no1 is forcing you to read it, theres no reason to start a flame war over it.
And yes, its a comparison of power, abilities achievement - in which i beleive that a lot of other characters surpassed him. if i wanted to make this a vs thread, i would have posted in the vs section and compared him strictly to 1 or 2 people, but i was using his general achievements in regards to the whole anime/manga and comparing him to others
Fair enough, but i didnt particularly want to turn this into a 'vs thread' 'oro is better than X' because then it just becomes a fanboy competition - and the same as almost every other thread on here, as well as that - yes u can say that kabuto is weaker than so6p - and you would be right, theres nothing wrong with that and thats ur opinion.
as for power level - in my view, oro's power didnt grow - i attempted to back this up with relevant quotes and manga links, if it didnt prove it to you then your entitled to maintain that opinion.
I get what you tried to do, it just won't work because now everyone thinks you're just calling him weak by not stating who he's weaker than. Anyways, nice try, it definitely seems as though you put a lot of work into it.
And my final note on power levels, I think that we haven't actually seen him ever fight at his full power, which means we can't accurately gauge whether or not he got stronger or weaker. Which clearly means it is completely up to opinion, as you stated. And truly, I don't have one, because I prefer not to speculate when we have absolutely no real info on whether or not he improved, it's impossible to say. Anyways, good luck with any flaming, adieu.
Yes i did showcase some inferiority, reread the post. also read the other post i made just after this, i didnt want this to be a vs's thread like everything else on this sight.
If you beleive that Oro is god, powerful, unbeatable, best in naruto, worst in naruto, whatever, its your choice and your opinion to beleive so
i just put up my opinion of oro's abilities, achievements etc and analysed them throughout the naruto series. No need to be rude about it LOL
also if your going to say that 'ofc hes gonna get serious when he sees a TBB' then maybe you should retract your former statement that 'oro was merely toying with naruto' as many people seem to be insistent on.
I get what you tried to do, it just won't work because now everyone thinks you're just calling him weak by not stating who he's weaker than. Anyways, nice try, it definitely seems as though you put a lot of work into it.
And my final note on power levels, I think that we haven't actually seen him ever fight at his full power, which means we can't accurately gauge whether or not he got stronger or weaker. Which clearly means it is completely up to opinion, as you stated. And truly, I don't have one, because I prefer not to speculate when we have absolutely no real info on whether or not he improved, it's impossible to say. Anyways, good luck with any flaming, adieu.
haha thanks, yeah i tried my best to express my opinion and view on it, im not trying to cll him weak, ive said it over and over lol. i put in so much work and honestly didnt expect the amount of hate that im recieving.
as for power levels -yes its up to opinion i suppose - and i expressed mine here, others can do the same but they dont need to be rude about it haha
haha thanks, yeah i tried my best to express my opinion and view on it, im not trying to cll him weak, ive said it over and over lol. i put in so much work and honestly didnt expect the amount of hate that im recieving.
as for power levels -yes its up to opinion i suppose - and i expressed mine here, others can do the same but they dont need to be rude about it haha
