Orochimaru is weak in Comparison - With Proof!

[Ultimatevirus]

oro is very much powerful.. it was his over confidence and over confidence and over confidence that destroyed him

 

[NoMoreLove]

1. Both Tsunade and Jiraiya were weakened just like Oro was - read the post before you open your mouth
2. He had use of his hands vs 4 Tails - and was troubled by the tailed beast bomb - see OP
3. He was then SEALED by that sword!
4. He killed an elderly Third Hokage - who had to fight Oro unexpectedly AND still sealed away the First, Second and Oro's hands
5. Edo Tensei doesn't make you invinsible, it makes you harder to beat
6. He never killed the fourth hokage
7. Long limbs dont make him powerful and other people have just as many summons - Other Akatsuki members (such as Nagato, Kisame) have summonings.
8. Cant change his body at will - once every 3 years and he is extremely weak during this time
9. Find the chapter where is says he has 'unlimited' swords. he generates snakes that have some swords but they're not endless.

+ You miss the whole point of this thread, why do u bother posting if your not going read the original thread and just be an ignorant fool, or to use your words 'idiot'

find any proof to support your arguements + be accurate then talk, otherwise please stfu

What in the F***!? He didn't kill the fourth Kazekage? LOL... I guess he must have tripped and landed into the pit the Konoha shinobi found him in then... This thread is such a fail. You basically say Orochimaru is strong then say he isn't. He is easily capable of defeating the Konoha 11 excluding Naruto of course.

People think he's weak for getting caught in Itachi's genjutsu then all of a sudden orochimaru is overrated. Well look at what happened to Kakashi after getting hit with Tsukyuomi, he was in a coma and no one says he's overrated.

Orochimaru fully said at the beginning of the fight between Naruto and himself he wanted to see who was stronger , Sasuke or him, he was PLAYING with Naruto. If he was taking this fight seriously, don't you think he would have used his white snake jutsu's? Come on now :sy: He used the rashoman summoning to protect himself because it was a strong attack biiiiig deal.

We all know during the Sannin Battle Royale Jiraiya was weakened, where was the proof Tsunade was? Her hemophobia? She got over it and fought anyway. Orochimaru had no use of his hands for crying out loud.

Everything you said contradicts itself one way or another.. Go crawl back into whatever Orochimaru hater hole you came out of

 

[EYES OF ITACHI]

he is weaker than people hype him up 2 be

 

[Cascade]

What in the F***!? He didn't kill the fourth Kazekage? LOL... I guess he must have tripped and landed into the pit the Konoha shinobi found him in then... This thread is such a fail. You basically say Orochimaru is strong then say he isn't. He is easily capable of defeating the Konoha 11 excluding Naruto of course.

People think he's weak for getting caught in Itachi's genjutsu then all of a sudden orochimaru is overrated. Well look at what happened to Kakashi after getting hit with Tsukyuomi, he was in a coma and no one says he's overrated.

Orochimaru fully said at the beginning of the fight between Naruto and himself he wanted to see who was stronger , Sasuke or him, he was PLAYING with Naruto. If he was taking this fight seriously, don't you think he would have used his white snake jutsu's? Come on now :sy: He used the rashoman summoning to protect himself because it was a strong attack biiiiig deal.

We all know during the Sannin Battle Royale Jiraiya was weakened, where was the proof Tsunade was? Her hemophobia? She got over it and fought anyway. Orochimaru had no use of his hands for crying out loud.

Everything you said contradicts itself one way or another.. Go crawl back into whatever Orochimaru hater hole you came out of

Just quick to start - i never once ever said that Orochimaru was weak, i gave a list of some of his acomplishments and abilities and gave him props for being a badass character - he is not weak.
What i did say is that he doesn't deserve all the hype that he gets, he is not a powerhouse like so many other characters - and he didnt seem to get any stronger from part 1 - shippuden. I only ever stated that he was weaker COMPARATIVELY to other people within the Series.

In regards to the Kazekage,
Sorry i misread the post your referring to - i thought he said 4th Hokage - not Kazekage - so my bad, but its not like we saw the battle, and as we've seen the edo 4th kazekage (gaara's father) in the war - he doesn't seem to be that impressive - so not that hard for Oro to kill.

Firstly - Oro DID get caught in Itachi's sharingan Genjutsu, which was NOT Tsukuyomi - so please dont compare Kakashi getting caught in Tsukuyomi to Itachi using a simple genjutsu on Oro, did u see his mangekyo activate at all when he used that on Oro? not from what i can see. - thats why its the same genjutsu that Sasuke uses - when he DOESNT have Mangekyou -

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Next, Oro was NOT toying with 4 Tails Naruto - and i provided proof for that with my manga post - Stop assuming things and back it up with some proof.
As for Oro using white snake jutsu on Naruto - he can only use that once every 3 years when his body is extremely weak and rejecting him - he doesnt want Naruto's body (and im doubtful he could take it due to Kyuubi) - he wants the sharingan and Sasuke's body - hes been training Sasuke just for that, why would he waste the white snake jutsu on Naruto.
Its not about him protecting himself - its about the fact that he started having to take the battle seriously - go relook at the proof i posted and stop being ignorant

Finally - Jiraiya was poisoned - which you already know - but Tsunade was weakened still from Kabuto's muscle attack - she didnt just go from punching through walls to barely being able to hit someone, she was weakened by Kabuto. Furthermore i have already explained that Oro seems to not be effected by Taijutsu - ive acknowledged his talents in that area and that he seems to be immune to physical attacks
Oro also has plenty of abilities that he uses that he doesn't need his hands for.

I'd also like to mention that if you read my OP i stated that i am NOT an Orochimaru hater, i love his character and think he is one of the most interesting characters in the serious and most likely the best villain - im just sayiin he didnt deserve all the hype that he got for being so powerful - refer to OP
NOTHING i said in my OP contradicted itself in anyway,

Thankyou and have a nice day :flaw:

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ok orochimaru is eaisly top ten martrial
Honestly I Dnt see anybody but Tobi wit his paths and nagato (maybe) and Edo madara beating hydra mode even itachi couldn't kill him in tht mode he tried but in the end all he could do was measly seal him
Oro has produced so many expirements and inventions it's not even funny Danzo is powerful because of oro if oro didn't expirement on him he would b just a typical wind user

Nobody in the Akasuki besides nagato and itachi (seal only in the end ) can beat oro down fully killing him one on one

Ppl are also giving kabuto all the credit for madara when madara thought it was oro who summoned him in first place meaning he's summoned him b4 or something because madara wasn't alive when oro was young so he had to meet him sometime
Kabuto is the beast he is because of oro

For the sasuke fanboys he would've died against deidara if it wasn't for oro

Oro has second highest ranking in stats in the series

He toyed with 4tailes naruto with a sick body

Oro is still influencing the war even when he's incapacitated (he's tech not dead)
Oro only summoned 1st and 2nd to **** wit the 3rd not exactly shore he can Solomon more but u can't say tht he can't either

Overall oro is stronger (when healthy) then majority of ppl
Naruto BMKM only last for like 5 minutes he cannot beat oro in 5 minutes


But as I was saying nobody except those ppl has what it takes to tank hydra there fore oro isn't weak at all

 

[Cascade]

Ok orochimaru is eaisly top ten martrial
Honestly I Dnt see anybody but Tobi wit his paths and nagato (maybe) and Edo madara beating hydra mode even itachi couldn't kill him in tht mode he tried but in the end all he could do was measly seal him

Oro has produced so many expirements and inventions it's not even funny Danzo is powerful because of oro if oro didn't expirement on him he would b just a typical wind user

Nobody in the Akasuki besides nagato and itachi (seal only in the end ) can beat oro down fully killing him one on one

Ppl are also giving kabuto all the credit for madara when madara thought it was oro who summoned him in first place meaning he's summoned him b4 or something because madara wasn't alive when oro was young so he had to meet him sometime
Kabuto is the beast he is because of oro

For the sasuke fanboys he would've died against deidara if it wasn't for oro

Oro has second highest ranking in stats in the series

He toyed with 4tailes naruto with a sick body

Oro is still influencing the war even when he's incapacitated (he's tech not dead)
Oro only summoned 1st and 2nd to **** wit the 3rd not exactly shore he can Solomon more but u can't say tht he can't either

Overall oro is stronger (when healthy) then majority of ppl
Naruto BMKM only last for like 5 minutes he cannot beat oro in 5 minutes


But as I was saying nobody except those ppl has what it takes to tank hydra there fore oro isn't weak at all

Ok so your net another person who misses the objective of my OP completely - he isnt weak and i never said he was just flat out weak, but he is weak in comparison.

In response to your post:
There are various people who could defeat Oro that appear all the way through the series - and the power Oro showed seems to be nothing in comparison to whats going on during the series now - As well as that it took ONE SWIPE for Itachi to pierce Oro and seal him - why would Itachi bother to kill him when he could purify Sasuke from the curse mark and Oro - and seal him inside for eternity :flaw:

Next, i have already acknowledged in my OP (if you would be so kind to read it before u post) - that Oro has a lot of scientific knowledge and experiments - but all of these experiments were for knowledge on pawns mostly - Danzo gained abilities thanks to Oro, but that doesn't make Oro better in a battle or any stronger in his abilities.:flaw:

As i have already said, there are a lot of people (read comments up to this point) that could defeat Oro, the two uve listed there are the people who in YOUR OPINION could defeat Oro.

Next, Kabuto is to credit for summoning Madara, he is the one who found his DNA and collected the resources to summon him, - and is controlling him now - furthermore, Madara never thought that Orochimaru summoned him nor referenced Oro at all, he thought that 'that brat Nagato finally grew up' - and summoned him. (the relationship between Madara and Nagato is yet to be seen)
Yes Kabuto used Oro's abilities and experiments as a BASE - but he then expanded upon them therefore making him the threat that he is now in the War.

To add, Oro did teach Sasuke some abilities and control - but only to later take sasuke's body - which backfired. You cant give credit to Oro for Sasuke 'defeating' Deidera. :sy:
Also, once again i suggest you read the OP as i have explained that Oro was NOT toying with Naruto in 4 tails mode - he started to take the fight seriously as Oro knew he could have died from Naruto's TTB - i have even provided the manga panel for proof.

in regards to Oro's edo summonings - it has already been referenced in the comments - I think its very fair to compare someone summoning 40-50 people rather than just 2 people - of course power scaling and Plotnojutsu gets in the way of this, but nonetheless it can still be used to gauge Oro's ability.

Finally - Yes when Oro is HEALTHY he is a lot more of a threat than when hes not, but his weakness is HIS OWN DOING. He created the immortality jutsu and therefore had to surcum to the weaknesses of the Jutsu - that being that he falls in to a weakened state a LOT.
In addition - find ANYWHERE where it says that Naruto's 4 tailed mode SPECIFICALLY only lasts 5 minutes. :sy: The only reason that Naruto was taken out of 4TailedBM was because of Yamato and his sealing abilities.

in future i suggest you read the OP before commenting because i have already covered a lot of what u said.

 

[Zumorito]

Do you mean before or after the battle against the 3th Hokage, because I think he was pretty badass before that, not to mention, a bloody genius to come up with such jutsus. When you think about it, wouldn't you consider him as a threat?

 

[Cascade]

Well, my point is that he IS strong, but that he doesn't make any progress in the timeskip allowing people to catch up to him and making him seem comparatively weaker - ofcourse he is a threat - hes not weak lol.

 

[warlee]

I will surely neg you for saying some of the konoha 11 could beat him xcept naruto and who can beat him in the konoha 11?

 

[Cascade]

I will surely neg you for saying some of the konoha 11 could beat him xcept naruto and who can beat him in the konoha 11?

I said that SOME MIGHT, stand a chance, Naruto obv, but i think Shikamaru vs Oro would be pretty interesting XD.

I should probably change that on OP

Nice sig btw,

 

[ChiefHermit]

lol @ ppl saying oro beat 3rd
just lol
LOL

and yes oro is weak

 

[warlee]

I said that SOME MIGHT, stand a chance, Naruto obv, but i think Shikamaru vs Oro would be pretty interesting XD.

I should probably change that on OP

Nice sig btw,

xcept naruto, he beat them w/ no difficulty {individually} he would also beat kakashi, guy, raikages, tsunade, gaara, mei, and can beat minato or force him to a draw e.t.c at full power and shikamaru is overated and i don't agree w/ you saying he is overated in this forum he is underated. Who even cares oro is still the greatest villian in the series even in death he still influence the plot greatly

 

[AnimeIsPerfection]

he's definatly strong but compared to kabuto, madara, and minato he's not as strong.

 

[warlee]

lol @ ppl saying oro beat 3rd
just lol
LOL

and yes oro is weak

he beat the third i don't know which manga you are reading and your last statement made me belive you are an idiot

 

[Cascade]

xcept naruto, he beat them w/ no difficulty {individually} he would also beat kakashi, guy, raikages, tsunade, gaara, mei, and can beat minato or force him to a draw e.t.c at full power and shikamaru is overated and i don't agree w/ you saying he is overated in this forum he is underated. Who even cares oro is still the greatest villian in the series even in death he still influence the plot greatly

If u dont care u dont have to post but i agree, he is the greatest villain

 

[-Logic-]

Re: Orochimaru is SO weak!

He was playing with 4. tails.. He is not weak lmao

Nice sig, who made it if you do not mind me asking?

 

[abodi mohi]

i dont think so

 

[Red Swag]

hes weak compared to akatsuki and other op chars ryt now. nothing new

 

[whitemagehealu]

If Oro had lasted till now I'm sure Kishi would have given him something to compare to the current badies.

 

[SasukeOftheUchiha]

I think he's in between weak and powerful because he can handle the 3rd hogake, Naruto 4 tails mode, and Two of the ledgendary sanin but he could never defeat an Uchiha especially Sasuke even before he had his mangekeyou