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Now don't get me wrong, I personally really like Oro as a character, and he brought some real depth to the Naruto series. I am not saying that Oro is not powerful, but that he is extremely over - estimated in comparison to other characters.
Some important things need to be said.
Techniques:
- Orochimaru is seen to use a variety of techniques - obviously mostly pertaining to that of snakes.
- His mastery of Jutsu, including chakra control is almost unrivaled throughout the series (at least part 1) and he seems to have an endless amount of chakra at his disposal.
- Orochimaru easily avoids most Jutsu’s and physical attacks do not seem to effect him at all:
- Orochimaru has probably the largest knowledge of poisons within the whole narutoverse and could take advantage of that (and even implement it into his own blood when in his white snake form)
+ a Strong mastery of Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Genjutsu.
Orochimaru's primary goal throughout Naruto has been to gain every single jutsu and gain knowledge of everything in the world - leading to his great discovery of the immortality jutsu. He also seems to be masterful over the edo tensei technique - bringing back the powerful souls of the first and second Hokage's.
Orochimaru is presented as God-Like - attacks do not seem to effect him at all, he has multiple powers and allies, and controls the sound village. He has a strong history and experiments with forbidden Jutsu's.
He controls the leaf cutting sword at will and is seemingly immortal - pouring his soul from body to body.
Achievements:
- Defeat of Hiruzen - in his old age
- Perfection of immortality Jutsu
- Successful experiments - Yamato, Juugo - curse mark
- Persuasive personality - taking advantage of strong warriors
- Bringing back First and Second hokage's.
- Fighting on par with Naruto in Awakened Beast Mode (BM) state.
- having extensive knowledge of human anatomy, DNA transplant, Jutsu control, Extensive research at his fingertips etc.
All of these achievements prove Orochimaru to be a pretty strong opponent.
BUT
All of these achievements mean nothing in comparison to that of other characters of the series. Here is why:
Firstly, we see Orochimaru primarily within only part 1 of Naruto - and although there are certainly some seriously epic fights, battles, and abilities within part 1 - these all seem to fail in comparison to Shippuden.
Part 1 is the opening of Naruto - every single primary character is in their youth and have not discovered their true power yet, they are at most 10-13 years old during part 1. A 50-60 year old - with the youth of a 20 year old such as Orochimaru is SUPPOSED to be over powered at this stage!
He defeats Hiruzen in a weakened and older state, and toys with 10-13 year olds - and is therefore definitely not as powerful as he makes out to be.
He fights on par with his other sannin - the legendary sannin 3 - Tsunade (weakened by Kabuto's ability) and Jiraiya (poisoned by Tsunade). But for all his worth still ends up running away from the fight (although i understand his arms were gone and it was 2v1 + Kabuto)
He masters the edo tensei but only summons 2 people back,
- and yet in the manga and anime now - we are able to see Kabuto summon over 40 extremely powerful opponents and control them reasonably easily (with a few exceptions of course).
He also masters the immortality jutsu - but his form of immortality also leaves him extremely weak and in a sickened state throughout the whole series and just makes him appear fragile.
- Even after receiving a new body after Hiruzen took his arms and Orochimaru became confident again - nothing happened - we went straight to fillers and then shippuden.
He is the main protagonist of part 1 and the real story behind the initial part of the series and plays his part well, but soon the abilities of the young people he fought against seem to catch up with him and overtake him easily.
The scale of his power from the first series suffers in comparison to the seemingly OP powers of Shippuden.
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Orochimaru in Shippuden
Firstly - Orochimaru is introduced to shippuden as being quite powerful still - but Naruto - someone who Orochimaru could easily toy with in Part 1 - has now improved vastly in skills, power, control and technique (along with letting the Kyuubi Take over). Their first meeting in Shippuden on the heaven bridge personifies Oro as still having the same abilities that he had in part 1 - hes made no progress since the start of part 1 where he was introduced. Furthermore - Orochimaru's battle - in which he barely survives (IMO) is ended abruptly due to Yamato - and Orochimaru's 'time running out'
I would also like to note that Orochimaru was indeed taking Naruto seriously once he reached 4 tails mode - whilst only toying with him in 3 tails.
In his time of weakness - and as the end of his limit for holding onto a body draws near - Orochimaru depends upon Sasuke and his body for revival.
This is where Orochimaru really seems to fail for me.
- Oro had trained Sasuke and knew what he was capable of, he knew the darkness in Sasuke's heart and knew what Sasuke's true desires were for joining him - to defeat Itachi.
When Sasuke defeated Oro in Oro's alternate dimension it proves how Orochimaru seems to fall in comparison to the other characters of the series.
Naruto has weakened him and Orochimaru has fallen due to his cycle, while Sasuke takes advantage of Oro's weakness (a smart move) and kills him/takes him over using his experience with the sharingan.
Now you can point the finger and say that Orochimaru was weak at the time,
but that was a weakness of his own devising - considering that he created his immortality jutsu, and waited so long to change bodies when he was weakened so much makes Orochimaru seem inferior in comparison to some other characters.
On top of ALL of this, all of these events take place within the first 100 episodes of Shippuden! There are so many other amazingly powerful opponents such as Nagato, Itachi - (actually pretty much anyone with MS or Sharingan), Kisame, the list goes on... that could easily defeat Orochimaru.
Evidence lies within the Sasuke Vs Itachi fight that Orochimaru - even after resting in Sasuke's body, completely taking over, and using his ultimate ability the 'eight branches technique' was easily defeated by (a weakened) Itachi and his Totsuka blade.
Furthermore the stage that Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto and other main protagonists are demonstrating within this series seem to make Orochimaru and his techniques/achievements totally insignificant. (Of course Orochimaru's research etc helped Kabuto reach the stage he is now)
In Summary, Orochimaru was a highly praised jutsu expert and genius, some of his abilities are yet to be replicated or considered by other characters and he was DEFINITELY powerful (At least in Part 1).
But as time continued into Shippuden - Orochimaru's abilities did not seem to improve at all while other characters flourished and over took him thus causing Orochimaru to over estimate his own abilities and die at the hands of Sasuke and then again to Itachi.
The power demonstrated by other characters throughout later parts of the series make Orochimaru a much weaker opponent in comparison to other characters, ie , Pein/Nagato, Naruto Sasuke, Kisame, etc the list goes on. What do you guys think about Shikamaru vs. Oro (although i don't want this to be a vs thread
)
I hope you enjoyed reading, I'm sorry it was so long.
Please leave me your feedback, that's what this sight is great for.
ALSO please remember that THIS is an OPINION that i have attempted to support, i would appreciate if there was no hate comments on this just because i have my own opinion :worshippy: 
wease:
I worked really hard on this so i really hope u like it!
Now don't get me wrong, I personally really like Oro as a character, and he brought some real depth to the Naruto series. I am not saying that Oro is not powerful, but that he is extremely over - estimated in comparison to other characters.
Some important things need to be said.
Techniques:
- Orochimaru is seen to use a variety of techniques - obviously mostly pertaining to that of snakes.
- His mastery of Jutsu, including chakra control is almost unrivaled throughout the series (at least part 1) and he seems to have an endless amount of chakra at his disposal.
- Orochimaru easily avoids most Jutsu’s and physical attacks do not seem to effect him at all:
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- Orochimaru has probably the largest knowledge of poisons within the whole narutoverse and could take advantage of that (and even implement it into his own blood when in his white snake form)
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+ a Strong mastery of Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Genjutsu.
Orochimaru's primary goal throughout Naruto has been to gain every single jutsu and gain knowledge of everything in the world - leading to his great discovery of the immortality jutsu. He also seems to be masterful over the edo tensei technique - bringing back the powerful souls of the first and second Hokage's.
Orochimaru is presented as God-Like - attacks do not seem to effect him at all, he has multiple powers and allies, and controls the sound village. He has a strong history and experiments with forbidden Jutsu's.
He controls the leaf cutting sword at will and is seemingly immortal - pouring his soul from body to body.
Achievements:
- Defeat of Hiruzen - in his old age
- Perfection of immortality Jutsu
- Successful experiments - Yamato, Juugo - curse mark
- Persuasive personality - taking advantage of strong warriors
- Bringing back First and Second hokage's.
- Fighting on par with Naruto in Awakened Beast Mode (BM) state.
- having extensive knowledge of human anatomy, DNA transplant, Jutsu control, Extensive research at his fingertips etc.
All of these achievements prove Orochimaru to be a pretty strong opponent.
BUT
All of these achievements mean nothing in comparison to that of other characters of the series. Here is why:
Firstly, we see Orochimaru primarily within only part 1 of Naruto - and although there are certainly some seriously epic fights, battles, and abilities within part 1 - these all seem to fail in comparison to Shippuden.
Part 1 is the opening of Naruto - every single primary character is in their youth and have not discovered their true power yet, they are at most 10-13 years old during part 1. A 50-60 year old - with the youth of a 20 year old such as Orochimaru is SUPPOSED to be over powered at this stage!
He defeats Hiruzen in a weakened and older state, and toys with 10-13 year olds - and is therefore definitely not as powerful as he makes out to be.
He fights on par with his other sannin - the legendary sannin 3 - Tsunade (weakened by Kabuto's ability) and Jiraiya (poisoned by Tsunade). But for all his worth still ends up running away from the fight (although i understand his arms were gone and it was 2v1 + Kabuto)
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He masters the edo tensei but only summons 2 people back,
You must be registered for see links
- and yet in the manga and anime now - we are able to see Kabuto summon over 40 extremely powerful opponents and control them reasonably easily (with a few exceptions of course).
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
He also masters the immortality jutsu - but his form of immortality also leaves him extremely weak and in a sickened state throughout the whole series and just makes him appear fragile.
You must be registered for see links
- Even after receiving a new body after Hiruzen took his arms and Orochimaru became confident again - nothing happened - we went straight to fillers and then shippuden.
He is the main protagonist of part 1 and the real story behind the initial part of the series and plays his part well, but soon the abilities of the young people he fought against seem to catch up with him and overtake him easily.
The scale of his power from the first series suffers in comparison to the seemingly OP powers of Shippuden.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Orochimaru in Shippuden
Firstly - Orochimaru is introduced to shippuden as being quite powerful still - but Naruto - someone who Orochimaru could easily toy with in Part 1 - has now improved vastly in skills, power, control and technique (along with letting the Kyuubi Take over). Their first meeting in Shippuden on the heaven bridge personifies Oro as still having the same abilities that he had in part 1 - hes made no progress since the start of part 1 where he was introduced. Furthermore - Orochimaru's battle - in which he barely survives (IMO) is ended abruptly due to Yamato - and Orochimaru's 'time running out'
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I would also like to note that Orochimaru was indeed taking Naruto seriously once he reached 4 tails mode - whilst only toying with him in 3 tails.
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In his time of weakness - and as the end of his limit for holding onto a body draws near - Orochimaru depends upon Sasuke and his body for revival.
This is where Orochimaru really seems to fail for me.
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- Oro had trained Sasuke and knew what he was capable of, he knew the darkness in Sasuke's heart and knew what Sasuke's true desires were for joining him - to defeat Itachi.
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When Sasuke defeated Oro in Oro's alternate dimension it proves how Orochimaru seems to fall in comparison to the other characters of the series.
Naruto has weakened him and Orochimaru has fallen due to his cycle, while Sasuke takes advantage of Oro's weakness (a smart move) and kills him/takes him over using his experience with the sharingan.
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Now you can point the finger and say that Orochimaru was weak at the time,
but that was a weakness of his own devising - considering that he created his immortality jutsu, and waited so long to change bodies when he was weakened so much makes Orochimaru seem inferior in comparison to some other characters.
On top of ALL of this, all of these events take place within the first 100 episodes of Shippuden! There are so many other amazingly powerful opponents such as Nagato, Itachi - (actually pretty much anyone with MS or Sharingan), Kisame, the list goes on... that could easily defeat Orochimaru.
Evidence lies within the Sasuke Vs Itachi fight that Orochimaru - even after resting in Sasuke's body, completely taking over, and using his ultimate ability the 'eight branches technique' was easily defeated by (a weakened) Itachi and his Totsuka blade.
You must be registered for see links
Furthermore the stage that Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto and other main protagonists are demonstrating within this series seem to make Orochimaru and his techniques/achievements totally insignificant. (Of course Orochimaru's research etc helped Kabuto reach the stage he is now)
In Summary, Orochimaru was a highly praised jutsu expert and genius, some of his abilities are yet to be replicated or considered by other characters and he was DEFINITELY powerful (At least in Part 1).
But as time continued into Shippuden - Orochimaru's abilities did not seem to improve at all while other characters flourished and over took him thus causing Orochimaru to over estimate his own abilities and die at the hands of Sasuke and then again to Itachi.
The power demonstrated by other characters throughout later parts of the series make Orochimaru a much weaker opponent in comparison to other characters, ie , Pein/Nagato, Naruto Sasuke, Kisame, etc the list goes on. What do you guys think about Shikamaru vs. Oro (although i don't want this to be a vs thread
)I hope you enjoyed reading, I'm sorry it was so long.
Please leave me your feedback, that's what this sight is great for.
ALSO please remember that THIS is an OPINION that i have attempted to support, i would appreciate if there was no hate comments on this just because i have my own opinion
:worshippy: wease:I worked really hard on this so i really hope u like it!
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