orochimaru is the only villain with a good reason to be evil.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

the best origin/motivation IMO is nagato. he had the most understandable/justified reason for doign what hes doing IMO

 

[natzzz]

the best origin/motivation IMO is nagato. he had the most understandable/justified reason for doign what hes doing IMO

he isn't even villain he's a good guy.

 

[inFAM0US]

I have to disagree here, partly.

Madara's intentions are good. He wants to create a world where true peace exists, everyone is happy and there is no such thing as sadness. He has learnt this through his time by himself where he realised that the world is and will always be evil. So it is not so much that Madara is evil, his intentions are good, but it is the way he obtaining his goal can be considered as wrong. His reasons for committing these acts are not stupid but right for what he truly believes in, the world and its people need to live in true peace. Although the only reason he is evil is because the ways he is achieving his goal is immoral.

Obito is very similar to Madara. He shares the same goal and he has the same intentions as Madara; to create a world where true peace and happiness exists. His reasons for joining Madara are also very worthy. He denied what Madara had been saying to him and believed that people could find a way to create peace but after seeing his true love being killed by his best friend it made him realise that there is no such thing as peace and therefore no such thing as true happiness. This made him agree with Madara and work together with him to create a world where everyone is happy. So just like Madara his intentions are good but the way he is obtaining his goal is wrong. But I fail to see how the reason he started working with Madara was stupid? He lost his true love and saw his best friend kill her, as he said himself "this is hell." If that was a stupid reason to work with Madara and become a 'villain' then I don't know what is a good reason.

I believe Sasuke's reason is stupid in some ways. I mean I can see him avenging his clan by killing the elders but he is attacking the entire village; the village that his brother would do almost anything for. I mean he is going against his brother's will and attacking the whole village, not just the elders. His revenge is on the whole village not just the people who were behind the attack which makes him a villain. Although I do not agree with his reasons for becoming evil he is still a decent villain. I do agree with you on the most part when it comes to Sasuke though.

Orochimaru is a good villain and I agree with you. This is mainly because his goals are for himself, unlike Madara and Obito who are trying to create a peaceful world for everyone. Orochimaru is trying to become powerful enough and live long enough to see his parents reincarnated and so that he can become the strongest ninja in the world. He is willing to do anything for this and his goals are all for himself and not for the benefit of the others. He is willing to kill people just for himself making him evil and a good villain. His reasons for becoming evil are also good.

That is why I believe Orochimaru makes one of the best villains. He is evil, his goals are for himself and he is willing to and has done anything to achieve his goals. Unlike Obito and Madara who have good intentions but bad actions which make them villains. They are still very good villains as they are unique; they are not trying to take over the world but create a world of true peace. Also saying their reasons are not good is quite stupid, all of them the have legitimate reasons to become 'villains.'

 

[Kurama2012]

ok he does planing i agree and then obito and nagato does all the work.

well yeah he was dead

 

[Odemgee]

if he wanted that why hasn't he done that with edo tensei and wanting to revive dead parent's is a lot better reason then putting the world in a genjitsu over his crush.

Obitos reason is deeper then his crush dying. To him that was the only person that cared about him in the world so to him he felt he had nothing else in the world and he didn't want the things that happen to him to happen to anyone else in the world and the way to do that and get back the only person that cared about him was through the eye if the moon plan. So to Obito he doesn't see his self as a villain he see himself as someone trying to make the world a better place for everyone much like Pain.

 

[Orochimagus]

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Anyways, if a woman is a stupid reason to do anything then I don't want to live in this world anymore. Obito is the first Uchiha to show interest in females (Aside from Fugaku) and he gets this?

Orochimaru will be the final villain!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

he isn't even villain

thats like saying itachis not a villain....murder, tyrannical manipulation and warped views of "peace" as well as attacking the protagonists makes them villains

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

thats like saying itachis not a villain....murder, tyrannical manipulation and warped views of "peace" as well as attacking the protagonists makes them villains

this whole thing "again" and out of the protagonists that he attacked how many died when he could have easily {except Jman would have been tough} killed them?
also i guess its safe to say naruto is a villian for dissing neji's dead father hiruzen for letting the massacre happen and not killing oro, Jman for wiping out the HD village and being a terrible GF, minato for sealing a demon in his own son and thinking he be treated like a hero, gaara for all his crazy stunts, kiba for being a bully, the leaf and every other village that treated their Jinchuuriki's like Trash?????? so what is a villain Define it

 

[shelke]

A villain and Antagonist are two very different things. Antagonist is simply someone who apposes the main character - regardless of him being a symbol of good or not - in any way. And it can be any entity or a phenomenon.

Coming to the topic, I don't consider anyone from the list evil. This is a very staunch take on the situation, given that all villages are inherently corrupt. If you call Ataksuki evil, then you should also slap the same label on Mist and Rock villages who used the group for terrorism and killings to expand their power. In the same way, if you call Sasuke, Itachi, Nagato evil, then they are victims of Konoha's endless desire to rein through a sovereign and tyrannical principal without taking any peace treaties or general morals into account. They were willing to do everything to maintain their arbitrary hold; there is no way this is a peace loving village. If you call Orochimaru and Kbbuto evil, then Sand village underhandedly declared a war on Konoha, and killed many. Anyone who thinks that the village are good, is clearly crazy.

- Madara Uchiha was betrayed by his own people. He took the eyes from his brother - who willingly gave it to him - and fought for his clan's honour. And when he lost everything dear to him, his clan cast him aside and signed a peace treaty with the Senju clan. He foresaw that the senju would beray the Uchiha, and he was right. Right after Hashirmam's death, his brother Tobirmama segregated the clan, limited their power to maintain senju hold on the village, and began their surveillance. This was carried over to Hizuren's reign and ultimately became the reason for their demise. Konoha's pro-senju sentiments were the reason behind their death. He wants to lift the veil of peace from the eyes of the world by casting them into another illusion they believe in. A perfect-paradox of perceptions.


- Orochimaru witnessed the transient nature of life through war and became obsessed with the concept of break the cycle of life. Hizuren's decision to deny him the hokage seat pushed him over to the edge, and he felt that life is not only short but is full of betrayals. This solidified his stance on the fickle nature of human beings and that the answer to the truth lies in aligning ones self with more knowledge by breaking the boundaries of life.

- Kabuto was an orphan and his situation was exploited by none other than Konohan skewed, wanton politics that care for no one. The only bond he ever truly formed with someone was the person he was tricked into killing. It was only natural for him to direct his hate back at the people who became the reason for his lack-of-existence again.

- Nagato was yet another victim of Konoha. His village was decimated during the war. He and his little friends - Yahiko and Konan - faced hunger, starvation, victimization at Konhan's hands, and when he tried to achieve peace, Konoha was there yet again to rent his efforts asunder. His reaction was poetic justice; the village that disturbed the peace on a whole, he strove to burn it down so that the rest of the world can live in peace. He even dispatched Hazno who allied with roots division to aid their cause. His end was not fitting at all.

- Sasuke uchiha saw his entire clan slaughtered by the political establishment - I am considering the whole story here, not fragments - and the manipulation of his brother's deep, unparallelled, and compassionate emotions for him. Not only a civil revolt was a horrendous and obviously lame, made-up excuse by the pro-senju lobby to take the Uchiha out of the way once and for all, they didn't even spare the children and people who weren't ninjas at all. Sasuke's reasons are the same as pein's. The village reaped the benefits of their clans inhuman genocide to maintain a tyrannical rein, it's only fitting a paradoxically justifiable to inflict the same level of hate, pain, and loss he - and nagato - went through on the village. If the village is killed, no one is responsible for it, but the establishment themselves.

- Itachi uchiha dearly, and unconditionally loved his brother. As he was expected to be a class A student, a ninja, and a model citizen by his parents, teachers, and peers, he worked for both sides. He didn't want to murder his family because of known known threat factor and on ethical grounds, but Danzo - having a free pass from the governors and elders of Konoha to do whatever he pleased as long as the village prospered - manipulated him by dangling Sasuke in front of him. He presented the possibility that either slaughter your clan and save Sasuke or join them and watch Sasuke get killed in the process.

I want to make this clear to the whole base here, Itachi NEVER murdered the clan to save the village, he did so to PROTECT sasuke and sasuke only. It is made even more clear when Sasuke basically told him that he was going to destroy the village and said farewell, he showed him the full memories and said, "You don't have to forgive me. No matter what you decide to do from now on; I will love you forever". It clearly shows that he doesn't care about anything or the village beyond Sasuke. And that is the high point of his character for me, and the reason he is one of my favourite characters. Family > everything else.

- Zabuza and Haku were the victims of their village's custom's and their policies. Zabuza being a mercenary after slaughtering the competition - which was required of them at that time - took a young boy home to raise him as his equal because he was starving with no one to care for him. He brought him up in his image, and yet, you can tell how he cared for Haku - like a son - and Haku considered him a father figure and was ready to lay down his life for his.

What I want to note here is that you people have a preposterous definition of evil. If for patriotic reasons - which is such a brain-washing tool to galvanize the masses for unjust cause disguised as noble - no matter what a village does, it is good, but if people fight for their family, they are evil? Sasuke and Nagato are evil for konoha, but for people freed from Orochimaru, for people wronged by Orochimaru and konoha, Sasuke is a saviour and for his people Nagato was.

Keep this in mind, there is no such thing as a hero. As one man's or country's hero is another country's murderer. To think that the base is this patriotic is...just plain sick. For me, nothing beats family. Konoha and the rest of the villages be damned. If for their prosperity people like nagato, and uchiha have to suffer, then they deserve every bit of it in return. Pound for pound. This is called, justice in purest and unadulterated form. in short, it is the political system in these countries that is the root cause of evil.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

out of the protagonists that he attacked how many died when he could have easily {except Jman would have been tough} killed them?

so you must kill people to be a villain? guess aizen was a hell of a guy. itachi did not kill them because they werent worth his time, ants beneath his boot.

Itachi uchiha dearly, and unconditionally loved his brother.

and yet brutally and savagely tortured him into a coma

also i guess its safe to say naruto is a villian for dissing neji's dead father hiruzen for letting the massacre happen and not killing oro, Jman for wiping out the HD village and being a terrible GF, minato for sealing a demon in his own son and thinking he be treated like a hero, gaara for all his crazy stunts, kiba for being a bully, the leaf and every other village that treated their Jinchuuriki's like Trash?????? so what is a villain Define it

a villain is someone whos apathetic, attacks innocent people or orders attacks on them, commits torture/mindrape, is a pathological liar and manipulator, or generally someone who doesnt care about anything but themselves or alternatively, has good intentions but is willing to commit horrible crimes to get there and not be willing to accept the punishment