Orochimaru(If he had taken over Sasuke's body) vs Pain

[The 7th path]

@deadai yeah i dont disagree wid you, my teachers tell me the same thing about my speech, actually i had a prob wen i was a kid and wasn't able to talk properly or explain what i really meant but this is actually an improvement to me and hopefully i will get better, im sure if some1 else said it they could prob explain it better

 

[Deadai]

@deadai yeah i dont disagree wid you, my teachers tell me the same thing about my speech, actually i had a prob wen i was a kid and wasn't able to talk properly or explain what i really meant but this is actually an improvement to me and hopefully i will get better, im sure if some1 else said it they could prob explain it better

oh im sorry to hear that

 

[The 7th path]

lol don't be im an optimistic guy if i have something which i can improve in i should hear it after all it is a problem which can be improved im just to lazy to practice lol ^_^

 

[Lunir]

jiraiya > orochimaru.....itachi can beat orochimaru with ease ..orochimaru feared him but itachi and kisame ran from jiraiya. but before faced him itachi said...."we cannot defeat him even if there was more of us the resul will remain the same". so jiraiya is more powerful then orochimaru

Yeah because thats what Itachi wanted........to out right cripple konoha's military power by taking out the only sannin (at the time) still fighting for konoha actively. And then having to take the Jinchuuriki from Konoha. Knowing Itachi he planned for Jiraiya to interupt and protect Naruto and give them a reason to retreat. You can't forget that he was working for Konoha's (and Sasuke's) best interests the entire time. Itachi did not fear Jiraiya....

 

[ChrisWolf]

pain would win, but if oro had sharingan that would make it a really good fight...it would probably be a good fight either way but especially with sharingan oro

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Yeah because thats what Itachi wanted........to out right cripple konoha's military power by taking out the only sannin (at the time) still fighting for konoha actively. And then having to take the Jinchuuriki from Konoha. Knowing Itachi he planned for Jiraiya to interupt and protect Naruto and give them a reason to retreat. You can't forget that he was working for Konoha's (and Sasuke's) best interests the entire time. Itachi did not fear Jiraiya....

actually, you're wrong. Why are you wrong? Here's why:

you are making up theories and assumptions and taking a literal statement and contextualizing it... just as religious fanatics take a literal statement and contextualize it and claim it is the truth.

With your logic, Itachi, who loved sasuke as a brother, shouldn't of proceeded to fight with sasuke when sasuke confronted him. however, he did fight his younger brother... so to relate Itachi not wanting to fight because of either: "love" or "care" for something... is bullshit.

Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi and that came out of the horse's mouth.

If you don't like it, cry me a ****ing river... doesn't change the fact that everytime I flip to that page... it says that they would not be able to take on Jiraiya.

now shut up and sit your ass down.

 

[Lunir]

actually, you're wrong. Why are you wrong? Here's why:

you are making up theories and assumptions and taking a literal statement and contextualizing it... just as religious fanatics take a literal statement and contextualize it and claim it is the truth.

With your logic, Itachi, who loved sasuke as a brother, shouldn't of proceeded to fight with sasuke when sasuke confronted him. however, he did fight his younger brother... so to relate Itachi not wanting to fight because of either: "love" or "care" for something... is bullshit.

Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi and that came out of the horse's mouth.

If you don't like it, cry me a ****ing river... doesn't change the fact that everytime I flip to that page... it says that they would not be able to take on Jiraiya.

now shut up and sit your ass down.

Lol i'll make one correction "Knowing Itachi, for all we know he planned for Jiraiya to interrupt"

I never said anything about love.

You did nothing to prove I'm wrong you just ranted about your apparent resent for religious fanatics.

And just because something is said by a character that makes it true? Tobi also told Sasuke that the Kyubi attack on konoha wasn't his doing. And no matter how many times i look at the panel he still tell's sasuke the same thing. Even after the fact that we saw Minato confront the same Tobi taking control of the Kyubi in a flash back.

Just because a character says something it doesn't make it true.

Same goes for me saying something, so I can't say for a fact Itachi wasn't afraid of Jman, you can't say that Itachi wasn't pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

The fact of the matter is after Sasuke's fight with Itachi, it was revealed that everything after Itachi left the village was leading up to Setting Sasuke up to be a hero and protect him from the ugly truth of the Uchiha clan, and to ensure peace and well being for Konoha....he died for this and attempted to use Shisui's eye to ensure this.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

better question....oro if he had nagato's body vs anyone else now U_U

 

[Decyder]

Depends on how long Oro had to plan against Pain and how much research he's already done (from what madara says he's done a lot) but Pain is a real endurance test. Remember it did take the Kyuubi, Sage Naruto, Kakashi with MS and sacking himself, plus the rest of the village to take him out. Oro would need to know everything about him to stand a chance against the 6 paths alone.

 

[jayhayallday]

pains summoning body would on its own be too much for orochimaru even with sasukes body

 

[blazekev90]

pains summoning body would on its own be too much for orochimaru even with sasukes body

:flaw: a nood to the fully extent

 

[DevonV]

pains summoning body would on its own be too much for orochimaru even with sasukes body

If you realy believe that you need to get your self checked out.:flaw:

 

[Kakashi42]

Well.. it would just be a smarter, more clever Sasuke. With all kinds of forbidden jutsu. It would defiantly keep me on the edge of my bean bag O_O lol

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

He would still be beatable. Pain/Nagato only used 6 different jutsus and is arguably the strongest character there is.

And having the sharingan still wouldn't help him against Itachi, or Nagato, or possibly the third raikage, maybe Minato (I don't think so but maybe).

I mean it would have given him a major power boost but honestly he had more jutsus than even Hiruzen and it didn't really help him in that fight (although he didn't really fight). There are just some things you can't beat, and having a normal 3-tomoe sharingan wouldn't help him that much except for copying more jutsus and being able to fight faster opponents.

Just look at Naruto for example, he knows under 10 different jutsus and is beating kages with a huge variety of skills. (I count the rasengan and rasenshuriken as 2 separate ones, but not the various ways of executing them or the size differences)

My point is that while Oro would have gotten a major power boost from the sharingan, Sasuke only had a 3-tomoe then, so I don't think Oro would have broken into the top 5 strongest characters. He would have moved up even further and probably been the strongest of all but the gods of Naruto; Nagato (rinnegan, insane chakra), Itachi(MS, legendary weapons), and Minato (ST, sealing, insane normal speed)

 

[Itachi2304]

lol kid. Orochimaru > jiraya dumbass. People dont listen to the facts and just say their opinion. Orochimaru defeated jiraya in the timeskip. Jiraya himself said so. WHen orochimaru left the village jiraya and orochimaru fought and orochimaru was the victor. Even their sensei the third hokage recognized orochimaru as the most gifted sannin with the most skill, intellegence, and talent. He considered orochimaru a prodigy. did anyone every say that about jraya? when orochimaru was attacking konoha the third hokage said i am the only one who can fight orochimaru in this village. (jiraya was present in the village meaning he thinks jiraya cant fight orochimaru). dont say OH THE 3rd HOKAGE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT! the 3rd is the sannins teacher. what he says goes. Period. As for jiraya and kisame running u realize itachi never wanted to fight jiraya right? when itachi fled from the battle kisame mocked itachi. lol for gods sake itachi used tsukuyomi on sasuke and jiraya was standing right behind him. Is that something some1 would do if they were about to fight "some1 who is stronger than them"? face the facts. If it was orochimaru who fought pein he would have done MUCH MUCH MUCH better than jiraya. Not only is orochimaru more skilled and knows more jutsu which could possibly deal damage to pein but orochiamru is also MUCH smarter than jiraya. Pein would have had his hands full against an orochimaru who is healthy. As for orochimaru with sasukes body. that would have been out of this world LOL! i am 100% sure that itachi would still dominate him even with sasukes body. But it doesnt matter cause orochimaru would be ridiculously overpowered lol

jiraiya > orochimaru.....itachi can beat orochimaru with ease ..orochimaru feared him but itachi and kisame ran from jiraiya. but before faced him itachi said...."we cannot defeat him even if there was more of us the resul will remain the same". so jiraiya is more powerful then orochimaru

 

[Itachi2304]

? where are u coming up with this lol? itachi fought NAGATO not pein and kicked nagatos ass. Not only did he "beat" nagato but he completely dominated nagato. he literally got a flawless victoy agaisnt nagato. nagato didnt even touch itachi. And nagato is on a whole other level to his paths considering the usage of the 6 paths abilities. Itachi didnt even use 1 genjitsu on nagato. So if u say the 1v1 is what made him lose if it were paths he would have lost is incorrect. even without genjitsu itachi dominated nagato. wait ur saying susanoo can be sucked up by nagato huh? ok here is a hint. Read the manga when nagato forms a barrier around himself when he grabs naruto and bee. that barrier was sucking up all their techiniques. naruto even used rasengan on it and it was absorbed. BUT itachi used susanoo cut off his arms and grabbed naruto and bee right inside the chakra consuming barrier. DId u see any susanoo being sucked up? i sure as **** didnt. even when he used the totsuka blade it wasnt sucked up. regardless kabuto said that itachi is just too damn good for nagato. lol he also stated that itachi is on a whole other level to nagato. no he said itachi is on a whole other level to all the others. Stop with the itachi vs pein bullshit. itachi killed nagato who is uncomparable to pein in power

Pain Vs Itachi
Itachi casts genjutsu on a path the others break it for him, pain draws him in with shinra tensei , Itachi withstands with Susanoo, Pein sucks away the Susanoo(which is a materialisation of chakra) and amaterasu if he tries that with the path of pain that absorbs all ninjutsu, Itachi could try other genjutsu but they will be broken and so the shinra tensei draws Itachi in and he is impaled in the head with a chakra blade. Tell me where Im wrong.

Are you saying that the sasuke that fought with Itachi can beat Pain?

 

[Itachi2304]

sigh.... again i will say this. The 6 paths are weaker than nagato. get it right. it was said u cant even compare the 6 paths to nagato. SO seriously stop with the bullshit. U realize that the person controlling the 6 paths is one right? just saying dont u think if the paths are put under a genjitsu nagato will be in the genjitsu too? wait u said "tsukuyomi and genjitsu doesnt work on a dead body" u realize the only way jiraya even killed any paths was by the use of genjitsu right? it was evidently shown that genjitsu is infact nagato and peins weakness. Sigh.... read up dude nagato is stronger than pein and if u catch a path in a genjitsu nagato is caught in it too. why do u think all 3 of the paths fighting jiraya died because of 1 genjitsu? because nagato himself couldnt do anything to stop it. iTachi who is FAR FAR FAR superior to jiraya at genjitsu will be able to do that and much more than that. regardless it was evident itachi knows what he is doing against nagato. he took down the shared vision in an instant. If he didnt know that from before and he figured that out within mere seconds then that just proves that nagato is no match for itachi. How long did it take all the other shinobi who foguth pein to notice that? itachi noticed it within milliseconds. sorry dude but itachis intellegence alone wins him the battle agaisnt pein or nagato.

ppl seem to get the wrong idea, Sasuke+Oro will beat Nagato actually but he wont beat the six paths, why? With Nagato he has just one opponent which he can cast genjutsu on and defeat. the only way to break sharingan genjutsu is with another sharingan or inflowing of chakra, real nagato is alone and has no sharingan so he is hopeless but the paths can break genjutsu for one another

 

[daraban]

Orochimaru wouldn't need Sasuks body to defeat pain.

LOL ON U ! Nagato would piss on him in 0.1 sec

 

[Itachi2304]

umm u realize orochimaru NEVER DIED AGAINST SASUKE right? orochimaru died agaisnt itachi NOT SASUKE, people arent ****ing understanding this. people still think orochimaru died against sasuke. my god doesnt anyone understand the plot? orochimaru had a back-up plan. he knew that sasuke would do EXACTLY what his brother did so many years ago. So he implanted himself into sasuke. if it wasnt for itachi orochimaru would have won the sasuke vs orochimaru fight. because in the end orochimaru was going to take sasukes body. itachi was the one who killed him before he could do this. sasuke lost agaisnt orochimaru. itachi is the one who beat orochimaru. People love to give sasuke credit for shit he never does. they say sasuke killed itachi. WHEN ITACHI HAD PLANNED HE WAS GOING TO LOSE 10 YEARS PRIOR TO THE FIGHT. they say sasuke killed orochimaru WHEN OROCHIMARU WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER SASUKES BODY UNTIL ITACHI STEPPED IN. if u say orochimaru is weak for losing against itachi then many many characters are weak for that very same reason. even nagato (btw i dont htink nagato is weak in any way. nagato is the 2nd strongest character in the series in my perspective)=The 7th path;4331881]i just said he didnt even summon his strongest summon meaning he had stronger, and gamabunta wud own oros snake in an all out match in that fight jman was standing like 90% of the time and didn't even unleash hardly anything of his full power, lets give oro's arms back and all of his jutsu's i still doubt he could beat jman he cudnt beat tsunade and nor the third hokage with a triple threat (im not saying third is weak hes amazing but i mean with the help of the first and second really?!?), Oro was a freak and failure almost everyhing he did failed, and worst of all in the end he got defeated by a 15 year old kid which he practicly taught everything the kid knew (again not saying sasuke is weak but its a horrible way to leave the world)[/QUOTE]

 

[Itachi2304]

lol at this how the hell did nagato almost kill them lol? chibaku tensei? itachi figured out how to counter that within seconds. since itachi can spam his yasaka magatama like sasuke can spam his arrows itachi would need to use it what "3" times? to kill chibaku lol? he can keep spamming it lol. its not like a tailed beast bomb or anything like that dude it was itachi vs nagato. naruto and bee did nothing except almost get killed. ITachi was the one who did all the work. kabuto aknowledged that the reason he lost was because of itachi and that itachi was just too good for nagato. and nagato also aknowledged his opponent as itachi when he said "sorry itachi" the second he came out of being brainwashed. Why do u think he didnt say anything to naruto or bee? he almost killed them did he not? its because he considered he only fought itachi and because he caused trouble to itachi. thats why. so stop with the 3v1 and he almost won. it was 1v1 and he got dominated. i am sorry but nagato didnt even land one hit on itachi. when itachi would have killed nagato with amaterasu even before the fight started but he lived because he is edo tensei.

Pain is division of Nagato power.. If he doesn't divide his power to form the path, he will be way too strong to have it as a own.. Do you read the battle b/w naruto, bee, itachi vs Nagato? He almost kill them.