Orochimaru could surivive tsukuyomi

[The Necromancer]

I'm not saying Orochimaru can pierce Tsukiyomi and break out, but there really isn't really any proof that his mind is so weak that it'd kill him either. Incapacitate him, sure, but does Tsukiyomi even kill?

Kakashi seems to have believed it could.

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This is clearly in reference to Tsukuyomi, as the technique only lasts a second, so Itachi would not have the opportunity to kill Kakashi at any other moment between that time span.

 

[Gerkak]

Can you really hold back when using Tsukuyomi though? I think Orochimaru can survive, he's been through worse.

Yes, itachi can. In tsukuyomi itachi can manipulate all concepts, matter, space and time. As an example itachi can make a needle pricking orochimaru's skin hurt a thousand times more than it normally would in the real world or alternatively, he could make a sword not hurt at all. The fact that he controls everything in the tsukuyomi world means he can decide how severe he can be while tormenting the victim.

What has orochimaru gone through that could be worse than a full powered tsukuyomi?

 

[Chie]

I'm not saying Orochimaru can pierce Tsukiyomi and break out, but there really isn't really any proof that his mind is so weak that it'd kill him either. Incapacitate him, sure, but does Tsukiyomi even kill?

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"I'm surprised that he's still alive."-Kisame

Kisame's statement confirms that death is a possibility.

 

[AlphaScythian]

As genjutsu plays on the way how mind perceives pain to torture, with high pain tolerance of orochimaru and no longer human body, i think he'd recover rather fast.

 

[Joker]

Kakashi stated that if Itachi had wanted to, he could have easily killed him and that wasn't all of his power.

One can also adjust the time of the illusion. Both times for Sasuke, Itachi used 24 hours. The time during their fight wasn't even a hour amount. For Kakashi, it was 72.

That doesn't mean he meant with the illusion though, that could've easily meant, during his incapitation, Itachi could've delivered the finishing blow. Tsukuyomi's purpose is to cause trauma on a mental level, either breaking down the mind, or leaving the user in a torn state, not to kill them.

Orochimaru has no problem taking damage either, his mind his pretty rock solid, to have a fragment conciousness alone be able to sprout and use his most powerful technique at a fraction of his power is incredible.

 

[Chie]

That doesn't mean he meant with the illusion though, that could've easily meant, during his incapitation, Itachi could've delivered the finishing blow. Tsukuyomi's purpose is to cause trauma on a mental level, either breaking down the mind, or leaving the user in a torn state, not to kill them.

Orochimaru has no problem taking damage either, his mind his pretty rock solid, to have a fragment conciousness alone be able to sprout and use his most powerful technique at a fraction of his power is incredible.

That's true. However, Kisame's statement "I'm surprised he's still alive" confirms that the genjutsu has a capacity to kill if the user wishes to do so, especially considering the time can be adjusted.

I agree with you on the second paragraph though. There is a possibility that Orochimaru would survive, out of all the non-sharingan users in this series he has the best chance. He probably could.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kakashi seems to have believed it could.

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This is clearly in reference to Tsukuyomi, as the technique only lasts a second, so Itachi would not have the opportunity to kill Kakashi at any other moment between that time span.

Not really. Itachi is very strong, not much is stopping him from lunging at Kakashi or dealing another blow. While the Tsukiyomi itself lasted one second, Kakashi was slumped for a moment, and he could just be referring to that moment.

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"I'm surprised that he's still alive."-Kisame

Kisame's statement confirms that death is a possibility.

The line is, apparently, actually "I can't believe his mind is still intact." I'd rather see a Viz scan, rather than those notably shoddy scans.

 

[Joker]

That's true. However, Kisame's statement "I'm surprised he's still alive" confirms that the genjutsu has a capacity to kill if the user wishes to do so, especially considering the time can be adjusted.

I agree with you on the second paragraph though.

Normally, I would agree with you, but from a perspective that involves the characters, Kisame should be lacking major knowledge in such aspect. Itachi lied to everyone in the Akatsuki, who's to say what Kisame thinks he knows, isn't a lie? Also, the statement can be interpreted in different ways, "To break one's spirit", this can easily mean what I said, and the spirit would represent the mind, while the illusion puts them in a coma-like death.

 

[Chie]

Not really. Itachi is very strong, not much is stopping him from lunging at Kakashi or dealing another blow. While the Tsukiyomi itself lasted one second, Kakashi was slumped for a moment, and he could just be referring to that moment.


The line is, apparently, actually "I can't believe his mind is still intact." I'd rather see a Viz scan, rather than those notably shoddy scans.

I don't have possession of a Viz scan. Sorry.

Either way, I concede that Orochimaru probably could withstand the mental trauma and get over it, given what type of individual he is.

I also do think that Tsukiyomi can kill, regardless of what the scan says. Mainly because since it deals with mental trauma, it wouldn't take much to cause one's brain to shut down or even for cardiac arrest to take effect.

Though, I doubt that would happen with Orochimaru. He's mentally strong and he's seen enough traumatizing things in his life. He'll live.

Normally, I would agree with you, but from a perspective that involves the characters, Kisame should be lacking major knowledge in such aspect. Itachi lied to everyone in the Akatsuki, who's to say what Kisame thinks he knows, isn't a lie? Also, the statement can be interpreted in different ways, "To break one's spirit", this can easily mean what I said, and the spirit would represent the mind, while the illusion puts them in a coma-like death.

This is also true.

Your fave can survive Tsukuyomi. You and Riker succeeded in changing my mind.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't have possession of a Viz scan. Sorry.

Either way, I concede that Orochimaru probably could withstand the mental trauma and get over it, given what type of individual he is.

I also do think that Tsukiyomi can kill, regardless of what the scan says. Mainly because since it deals with mental trauma, it wouldn't take much to cause one's brain to shut down or even for cardiac arrest to take effect.

Though, I doubt that would happen with Orochimaru. He's mentally strong and he's seen enough traumatizing things in his life. He'll live.

If Tsukiyomi kills, it's probably from an indirect effect. Who knows, could cause aneurysms.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Tsukiyomi doesn't kill.

 

[ZzZzZz]

Actually Orochimaru already survived tsukuyomi. He almost dispeled it himself. Chapter 345.