Orochimaru: a moron or a scheming genius?

[megallica]

i believe danzo and oro is working together. oro kills hiruzen and gets sasuke and then while shukaku rampages, danzo will fight and stop it. and he will be hailed a hero and be elected as the fifth hokage. yes, oro is really a genius.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

i believe danzo and oro is working together. oro kills hiruzen and gets sasuke and then while shukaku rampages, danzo will fight and stop it. and he will be hailed a hero and be elected as the fifth hokage. yes, oro is really a genius.

But because Kishi didn't create Danzo yet and because of plot no jutsu, it failed

I feel that we may get a flashback scene though of Danzo, Oro, and Kabuto planning the Invasion of Konoha out this way to add a twist to the story

 

[-The Agent-]

Exactly! The entire event looks like a conspiracy between Danzo and Oro so that Oro could kill Hiruzen and kidnap Sasuke, and Danzo could become the new Hokage

And thx for the rep

Yep! That way Orochimaru would have Sasuke, and Danzo would control Naruto. The only reason why he would have both implanted in him at once.

Final verdict: orochimaru is a genius at planning, but gets an F at executing.

 

[Baka Sennin]

I don't think it's a plot hole, personally imo it's just a scheme between the two of them. Danzou never helped out in a crisis, not when the kyuubi struck, not when orochimaru invaded and not when pain levelled the village. he wanted the jounin council and the hokage administration to be annihalated so he could take over.

 

[Genduko]

because kishi hadn't created danzo at that point in time

 

[stRunF]

Only a thin line differs a genius from a retard.
Anyhow, I don't consider Orochimaru neither a moron or a genius using ur words, he just had his ideas and was a good shinobi.

 

[Necron]

After making my thread about

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to Danzo, something hit me. In part 1, Oro intended to invade the village with his shinobi and Shukaku, assassinate Hiruzen, and kidnap Sasuke. Of course Oro did not expect Naruto and Sasuke to foil his plans by injuring Gaara and forcing him to go berserk outside of the village. That's not the problem, the problem is that Danzo could have also stopped Shukaku, and Oro should have known that

During the Sasuke vs Danzo fight, Tobi made two very important observations about Danzo. The first observation he noted was that Oro was the one who implanted Hashirama's DNA into Danzo's arm. I'm guessing it can also be assumed that he was the one who put all of those eyes into Danzo's arm:

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But what's much more important is that after Tobi makes this observation, is the second observation that Tobi notes. Tobi says that Danzo was going to try and control the Kyuubi because he had Hashirama's cells and the Uchiha's Sharingans:

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Ok, I don't have a problem with that situation either. I'm guessing that if Danzo could control the Kyuubi, he could probably control any tailed beats that he wanted to, including Shukaku

Alright so Orochimaru's operation depended entirely on Shukaku going on a rampage in Konoha. His operation failed because his shinobi weren't powerful enough to beat the Konoha army alone without Shukaku. But why would Oro plan out an attack that depended entirely on a tailed beast when he gave his former boss, Danzo, the ability to control tailed beats?

Danzo would have probably let Shukaku cause chaos and destroy a good section of the village before he marched out and saved the day by taking control of Shukaku, just like he planned on marching out and saving the day during the Invasion of Pain

So the question is, was Orochimaru stupid to invade Konoha with a tailed beast because he gave his former boss the ability to control tailed beats? Or was this part of some elaborate scheme between Oro and Danzo?

I think the second is more propable... U_U

 

[AbukariDogMan]

I think the second is more propable... U_U

But why would Oro plan out an attack that depended entirely on a tailed beast when he gave his former boss, Danzo, the ability to control tailed beats?

thought you need mangekyou to control tailed beasts? am pretty sure their is some requirement otherwise any uchiha can control the tailed beasts.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Yep! That way Orochimaru would have Sasuke, and Danzo would control Naruto. The only reason why he would have both implanted in him at once.

Final verdict: orochimaru is a genius at planning, but gets an F at executing.

Actually Oro did the job that he personally had to do, and that was to assassinate Hiruzen. He may have done the job poorly because he got pinned down by Hiruzen for 4+ hours, but he still managed to do it in the end

It was primarily Gaara and Kabuto who ruined the plan. Gaara failed because he got injured by Sasuke and had to flee from him, and Kabuto failed by not stopping Naruto and Sasuke when the two of them took off to stop Gaara

because kishi hadn't created danzo at that point in time

Exactly, but he can go back now and show us that the invasion was planned between Oro, Danzo, and Kabuto in Kabuto's flashbacks

Only a thin line differs a genius from a retard.
Anyhow, I don't consider Orochimaru neither a moron or a genius using ur words, he just had his ideas and was a good shinobi.

I think the second is more propable... U_U

I only called Oro stupid to give it an interesting title. The only two real options are this entire thing is a plot hole or this really was Oro, Danzo, and Kabuto's plan to get what they wanted in part 1

But why would Oro plan out an attack that depended entirely on a tailed beast when he gave his former boss, Danzo, the ability to control tailed beats?

thought you need mangekyou to control tailed beasts? am pretty sure their is some requirement otherwise any uchiha can control the tailed beasts.

Well actually Shisui had MS in both of his eyes:

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So I would assume that Danzo had MS. But also as I showed in the OP, Tobi notes that Danzo had the ability to control the Kyuubi, so I would assume that he would also have the ability to control Shukaku considering that the Kyuubi is the most difficult tailed beast to control

 

[Coyote]

You dare consider the best villain in Naruto a moron!

 

[TheTrueJutsuMaster]

Orochimaru is, and always will be a genius. I'm not saying that he will come back, but I GIVE HIM A NICE SHOT AT IT. Also, if Danzo was involved, and Orochimaru didn't have to fight Hiruzen Sarutobi, the legendary professor and conqueror of all the jutsu's of the hidden leaf, he would've betrayed Danzo's ass in the end. We all know how ol' Oro works. He enjoys watching people physiologically foil. Masterbates to pain.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

A paedophile.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

You dare consider the best villain in Naruto a moron!

As I said in an earlier post its an intentionally misleading title to attract attention

Orochimaru is, and always will be a genius. I'm not saying that he will come back, but I GIVE HIM A NICE SHOT AT IT. Also, if Danzo was involved, and Orochimaru didn't have to fight Hiruzen Sarutobi, the legendary professor and conqueror of all the jutsu's of the hidden leaf, he would've betrayed Danzo's ass in the end. We all know how ol' Oro works. He enjoys watching people physiologically foil. Masterbates to pain.

If Oro didn't have to help Danzo, he could have helped Gaara go on a rampage, and a distracted Hiruzen probably would have gone to fight Shukaku. With Hiruzen distracted, he could have gone for Sasuke himself and he would have gotten him for sure. I really don't think he wanted to leave Kabuto to capture Sasuke, but he was trying to keep his agreement with Danzo

A paedophile.

Well that should be obvious....

 

[Aze]

Oro = JigSaw...think 1000000000000000 Episodes ahead :scorps:

 

[Ultimatevirus]

may be oro knew that it is not easy to control any tailed beast.... ans so he just experimented on him to get some more knowledge for the future purpose

 

[Bigfoot34501]

may be oro knew that it is not easy to control any tailed beast.... ans so he just experimented on him to get some more knowledge for the future purpose

But then why attack the leaf with a tailed beats? It was a plot between the two of them, that's my point