i think at full power with no boasting or taunting just straight trying to kill ppl that orochimaru does have this one.... considering jaraiya has to charge his sage mode... if he is already in sage mode then jaraiya and tsundade win... it was aparent that when they fought in the manga that orochimaru was actually stronger than both of them with no hands as long as jaraiya isnt in sage mode... so give orochimaru all of jutsu's back and have jaraiya have to spend time charging his ma and pa summon then yeah... i give this to orochimaru...