Oorichimaru's Plan

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Orochimaru's Plan

Okay so after reading the new chapters and hearing some of the new theories on how Madara won't be released due to being summoned by Oorochimaru it's all making sense and I think I've figured out Oro's plan (nice that he's still having an effect).

1)We all know his goal: to learn every jutsu. Oro knew that it was impossible to do that within a lifetime so he pursued his secondary goal of becoming immortal in order to learn all jutsus.

2)To this end, Oro developed his Living Corpse Reincarnation. There was only one flaw to his plan: the human bodies eventually began to decay and reject him. He needs a body that won't die. Being the deviant that he is he somehow acquires the Edo Tensei jutsu (hmm remember the forbidden scroll?).

3)Putting two and two together, Oro gets to work with the DNA of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and Madara (Tobi knew Danzo, Danzo gave something to Oro for the Wood Release/sharingan mods..). Good choices for possible new bodies.

4)As we all know, the 4th failed when Oro tried to retrieve his soul, but now Oro has 3 edo bodies and wants to try them out before attempting his LCR on them. He possesses the three most powerful shinobi of Konoha, what better way to test the jutsu than wiping it out? Unfortunately for Oro, the same tanking attitude that caused his downfall really screwed up his plans. Hiruzen disabled his hands so no more jutsu.

5)How much would that suck? Having still in your possession the one of the most powerful shinobi in Konoha (who's now the only choice for an immortal body) but you can't do anything with him. So Oro then sets out to retrieve new arms, and eventually has to get a new body which he was really trying to avoid doing. This new body was a weakling that does not have enough chakra to control a possibly now modified Madara (1st + Madara is a better body than 1st OR Madara). Remember he could barely duke it out with a 4 tailed Naruto. He needs a newer, stronger body, maybe one that has bonus dojutsu that can control things and copy other jutsu...and we understand his lusting after Sasuke's body.

6)What would Oro have done after getting Sasuke's body? After getting acclimated to the Uchiha powers while using up his 3 years LCR penalty all he has to do is summon Madara, control him (combo genjutsu + residual oro chakra + sasuke's chakra...then kunai tag him), and then do his LCR. Presto, immortality, a body with Rinnegan/EMS, and Wood Release. As we all know without being able to control a summon as powerful as Madara, the LCR would have simply been reversed like Sasuke did. Even in death Madara far outclassed Oro in chakra so the situation was the same as a weaked Oro vs Sasuke.

7)Good old Oro, his plans were well thought out but never achieved. We now see Kabuto continuing where Oro left off, controlling Madara with massive amounts of sage chakra + oro's chakra, testing him out before deciding if his body is worthy. I still think Kabuto has "that jutsu" in his backpocket, one that truly had him confident that he was unstoppable: an improved Living Corpse Reincarnation that was capable of more fully possessing the target, merging Kabuto's Sage and DNA techs with Madara's body and dojutsu...creating a new So6P.
 
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Now I'm starting to think if Oro could summon for example Hashirama as an edo why didnt/couldnt he take this edo body ? Then he would have been immortal + have kekkei genkai..But your theory for Madara is the same. So +rep
 
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this was a lot to read, but i read a good portion and give credit!! This was very thought out and have taken a new route that many overlook. THis is possible and I actuallly would love this to happen
 

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Re: Oorochimaru's Plan

Okay so after reading the new chapters and hearing some of the new theories on how Madara won't be released due to being summoned by Oorochimaru it's all making sense and I think I've figured out Oro's plan (nice that he's still having an effect).

1)We all know his goal: to learn every jutsu. Oro knew that it was impossible to do that within a lifetime so he pursued his secondary goal of becoming immortal in order to learn all jutsus.

2)To this end, Oro developed his Living Corpse Reincarnation. There was only one flaw to his plan: the human bodies eventually began to decay and reject him. He needs a body that won't die. Being the deviant that he is he somehow acquires the Edo Tensei jutsu (hmm remember the forbidden scroll?).

3)Putting two and two together, Oro gets to work with the DNA of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and Madara (Tobi knew Danzo, Danzo gave something to Oro for the Wood Release/sharingan mods..). Good choices for possible new bodies.

4)As we all know, the 4th failed when Oro tried to retrieve his soul, but now Oro has 3 edo bodies and wants to try them out before attempting his LCR on them. He possesses the three most powerful shinobi of Konoha, what better way to test the jutsu than wiping it out? Unfortunately for Oro, the same tanking attitude that caused his downfall really screwed up his plans. Hiruzen disabled his hands so no more jutsu.

5)How much would that suck? Having still in your possession the one of the most powerful shinobi in Konoha (who's now the only choice for an immortal body) but you can't do anything with him. So Oro then sets out to retrieve new arms, and eventually has to get a new body which he was really trying to avoid doing. This new body was a weakling that does not have enough chakra to control a possibly now modified Madara (1st + Madara is a better body than 1st OR Madara). Remember he could barely duke it out with a 4 tailed Naruto. He needs a newer, stronger body, maybe one that has bonus dojutsu that can control things and copy other jutsu...and we understand his lusting after Sasuke's body.

6)What would Oro have done after getting Sasuke's body? After getting acclimated to the Uchiha powers while using up his 3 years LCR penalty all he has to do is summon Madara, control him (combo genjutsu + residual oro chakra + sasuke's chakra...then kunai tag him), and then do his LCR. Presto, immortality, a body with Rinnegan/EMS, and Wood Release. As we all know without being able to control a summon as powerful as Madara, the LCR would have simply been reversed like Sasuke did. Even in death Madara far outclassed Oro in chakra so the situation was the same as a weaked Oro vs Sasuke.

7)Good old Oro, his plans were well thought out but never achieved. We now see Kabuto continuing where Oro left off, controlling Madara with massive amounts of sage chakra + oro's chakra, testing him out before deciding if his body is worthy. I still think Kabuto has "that jutsu" in his backpocket, one that truly had him confident that he was unstoppable: an improved Living Corpse Reincarnation that was capable of more fully possessing the target, merging Kabuto's Sage and DNA techs with Madara's body and dojutsu...creating a new So6P.
Maybe its a jutsu that can bring back sealed souls and thus use edo tensie!
 

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madara is gonna go back into the coffin. becuase of an uchiha ironically
I don't think he's going back. Think about it: Kabuto explained the rules of Edo Tensei, one of which is that it does not go away if you kill the summoner. There were only two previous users, the 2nd and Oro, and the 2nd did not complete the technique. How would Kabuto know that killing the summoner does not help?
 

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Re: Oorochimaru's Plan

Okay so after reading the new chapters and hearing some of the new theories on how Madara won't be released due to being summoned by Oorochimaru it's all making sense and I think I've figured out Oro's plan (nice that he's still having an effect).

1)We all know his goal: to learn every jutsu. Oro knew that it was impossible to do that within a lifetime so he pursued his secondary goal of becoming immortal in order to learn all jutsus.

2)To this end, Oro developed his Living Corpse Reincarnation. There was only one flaw to his plan: the human bodies eventually began to decay and reject him. He needs a body that won't die. Being the deviant that he is he somehow acquires the Edo Tensei jutsu (hmm remember the forbidden scroll?).

3)Putting two and two together, Oro gets to work with the DNA of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and Madara (Tobi knew Danzo, Danzo gave something to Oro for the Wood Release/sharingan mods..). Good choices for possible new bodies.

4)As we all know, the 4th failed when Oro tried to retrieve his soul, but now Oro has 3 edo bodies and wants to try them out before attempting his LCR on them. He possesses the three most powerful shinobi of Konoha, what better way to test the jutsu than wiping it out? Unfortunately for Oro, the same tanking attitude that caused his downfall really screwed up his plans. Hiruzen disabled his hands so no more jutsu.

5)How much would that suck? Having still in your possession the one of the most powerful shinobi in Konoha (who's now the only choice for an immortal body) but you can't do anything with him. So Oro then sets out to retrieve new arms, and eventually has to get a new body which he was really trying to avoid doing. This new body was a weakling that does not have enough chakra to control a possibly now modified Madara (1st + Madara is a better body than 1st OR Madara). Remember he could barely duke it out with a 4 tailed Naruto. He needs a newer, stronger body, maybe one that has bonus dojutsu that can control things and copy other jutsu...and we understand his lusting after Sasuke's body.

6)What would Oro have done after getting Sasuke's body? After getting acclimated to the Uchiha powers while using up his 3 years LCR penalty all he has to do is summon Madara, control him (combo genjutsu + residual oro chakra + sasuke's chakra...then kunai tag him), and then do his LCR. Presto, immortality, a body with Rinnegan/EMS, and Wood Release. As we all know without being able to control a summon as powerful as Madara, the LCR would have simply been reversed like Sasuke did. Even in death Madara far outclassed Oro in chakra so the situation was the same as a weaked Oro vs Sasuke.

7)Good old Oro, his plans were well thought out but never achieved. We now see Kabuto continuing where Oro left off, controlling Madara with massive amounts of sage chakra + oro's chakra, testing him out before deciding if his body is worthy. I still think Kabuto has "that jutsu" in his backpocket, one that truly had him confident that he was unstoppable: an improved Living Corpse Reincarnation that was capable of more fully possessing the target, merging Kabuto's Sage and DNA techs with Madara's body and dojutsu...creating a new So6P.


The scroll contained the secret to obtaining the rinnegan, there are probably two ways to acquire it one being by senju DNA enveloping a sharingan. Senju DNA has been used in the past to boast the time in izanagi so yeah... He was gonna take sauskes body and then gain the rinnegan to master all chakra natures and jutsu. But he probably did plan on taking control of madara but edo tensei isn't a real body.
 

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Re: Oorochimaru's Plan

The scroll contained the secret to obtaining the rinnegan, there are probably two ways to acquire it one being by senju DNA enveloping a sharingan. Senju DNA has been used in the past to boast the time in izanagi so yeah... He was gonna take sauskes body and then gain the rinnegan to master all chakra natures and jutsu. But he probably did plan on taking control of madara but edo tensei isn't a real body.
I don't think that the scroll created by the 1st and passed from Hokage to Hokage would contain the secret of attaining the Rinnegan. Most likely it contained what it was said to, the kinjutsu of Konoha (of which we know Kage Bunshin and Edo Tensei to be two). If anything the secrets of the Rinnegan are engraved on the tablet in the Uchiha hideout. I did mention the Rinne as a prize for Oro's take over of Madara's body, but I don't think that the Rinne was his main goal, just the immortality and having a strong body. Remember the Rinne was confirmed by Kabuto to be an extension of the EMS, AFTER Madara used it. Oro had no clue (maybe suspicions) that Madara possessed the rinne, nor did he know that Sasuke would attain EMS.

Oro already had a confirmed EMS user under his control, Sasuke was simply a stepping stone to attaining that power. There is nothing that Sasuke can do for Oro/now Kabuto, other than provide the last sharingan eyes and a massive amount of chakra that we know is compatible with Oro's thanks to the cursed seal. Remember what Sasuke did to Manda I? That is what I imagine needs to be done in order to LCR Madara. Madara is more dangerous than Manda, and as we were told before just because you summoned someone does not mean they will obey you. Manda would have killed Oro if he knew of his weakness when he was summoned. Madara is not Kabuto's summon, he's expending a vast amount of chakra just to have Madara walking around the field of his own will. Controlling him is very different from the other Edos Kabuto has used.

Kabuto already had Itachi, another MS user under his control. Itachi has low chakra reserves, I don't see him being able to control Kurama. Sasuke, however, has demonstrated control of Manda AND suppressing Kurama with just his MS. I would wager that with the EMS Sasuke is now strong enough to outright summon/control Kurama, the same as Madara. Therefore he's the best choice if you need to get into a dojutsu battle to capture Madara. Remember the excitement Kabuto showed when he thought he could get Shisui? I wonder why he would want a dojutsu that can ultimately control someone...

The way I see it, after the Edo is released, Kabuto will leave Izanami and the battle will now be Kabuto vs Sasuke. Based on the previous fight Sasuke has no chance and will be captured. Possibly even LCR'd. This will wrap things up neatly, as Kabuto/Sasuke is now going to head to Madara to absorb him, possibly running into Suigetsu and his info on the way (which Sui happily gives to "Sasuke"). After Tobi gets butt hurt from the entire Allied forces converging on him, Naruto will notice the huge Susanoo taking out entire mountain ranges next door. Going to investigate, you get the set up for Kabuto (possessing Sasuke), vs Naruto, the battle that we've all been waiting for with a twist as it's not really Sasuke. All Kabuto has to do then is sneak past or stop Naruto and absorb Madara before the Kages stop him (unlikely as he's crushing them now).

At this point the story gets crazy and we have a weird mutant, creepy So6P as Kabuto/Sasuke (who does know how to reverse LCR from inside...there's his power up) vs Naruto's "nicer" So6P (as he now has chakra from all of the beasts after defeating Tobi). I'm hoping Kishi does not give up and keeps going with this plot. It's been 10 years so I can understand if he wants to call it quits now, this would be practically a next (final) story arc.
 
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Also, I'd like to point out that the way I've thought of it fits perfectly with the whole brother vs brother storyline. Sasuke was given the Cursed Seal of Heaven, a Yin seal. The creepy Kabuto/Sasuke So6P will have the "eyes" of the Sage, Rinnegan, and due to Sasuke's body a predisposition to Yin energy, the "spiritual energy". With Kabuto's sage mode the creep So6P also gets the "powerful chakra" of the So6P.

Naruto on the other hand, has repeatedly shown that he has inherited the Will of Fire (sage's "powerful will"), and the Nine Tails Chakra mode is made of pure Yang energy, giving him the "physical energy" of the So6P.
 
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