Onoki and Third Raikage vs Kisame and Killer Bee

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I mean i thought it was pretty self explanatory? I do not want to dwell on this matter Either way as I said the Raikages raiton is still a legit counter to the majority of Kisame's large scale suiton attacks.



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I mean is it un-logical to think he has shark skin even considering the fact he has has so much remarkable characteristics of one and also has transformed nearly into one..
It is rather out there to assume that Kisame does have the skin, and such durability of a shark. When such a fact is. .Not true. If you mentioned that in the Kisame/Samehada fusion state he did; then it's debatable. But a base Kisame does NOT and is NOT a shark. He's human until stated otherwise.

First off, shall we compare Kisame's and Sasuke's states after receiving a hit from the Lariat V2 attack? Kisame was afterwards. Sasuke, on the other hand, . This shows how durable Kisame is when compared to others. While I am not trying to say that he will be tanking the finger-attack of the Third; a simple raiton attack will not be "super effective" on Kisame.


You're ignoring the big picture here. Fact still remains Kisame still took a major blow which resulting in his chest being blown off. I won't deny that samehada will be capable of eating the raikages chakra but your not acknowledging the fact that The raikage will still get his attack connected due to his speed. At the end of the day samehada will drain the raikages chakra due to him being within its radius but the raikage will still get his hit in enough to damage kisame.

The fact that I was trying to say here is this; Samehada devoured and forced Killer Bee back into the version 1 form. And, it appears that it can worth of chakra, that is its limit. I fail to see how the Third Raikage, who supposedly has Bijuu level reserves, can rival this, and even if he does. Do you honestly think he will be able to put up much of a fight with the remaining chakra he has?


Also your forgetting the fact that the raiton chakra surrounds his whole body. Samehada won't be quick enough to absorb all of the raiton before the raikage connections his blow.


The chakra was also surrounding Killer Bee here [ ] and yet his Bijuu chakra, as I stated before seems to be thicker and more powerful then regular chakra, was taken. Once it gets in the range of Samehada, which you are underestimating a tad but not much; the chakra will be funneled OUT of him and towards Samehada. Near instantly too. Look what happened to Killer Bee here [ ] [ ].

Look at the raiton covering Bee's sword getting eaten.. the sword was nearly literally inches from giving kisame a lethal blow due to the raiton mixed. Now taking the raikage into considerion which has more raiton than Bee's sword not only will samehada take longer to absorb the raikages chakra but also the raikage will connect a hit while still covered in raiton simply because he is faster than Bee's sword.

Yes, the Raikage does have more raiton covering him then the sword from Killer Bee; but it doesn't seem like there was ANY issue here. All of the raiton chakra, much like what happened with the chakra from the sword [ ] and what happened to the bijuu chakra [ ] will be sent towards the sword. And that's within seconds too. All of the lightning chakra will be rapidly drawn into Samehada once He gets within the range. His chakra being used, and slowly the latent chakra, will be taken from him.

Oonoki will be suffering the same fate as the Third, however he will be unable to coup so well with his much smaller reserves and older age. His stamina being ripped from him will only cause more and more issues.



The raikage losing all his chakra is not possible. He has tailed beast chakra reserves. I already gave reliable counters regarding the TTB. Onoki has plenty of counters to it. One simply flying out of radius or simply manipulating the earth's core and creating a large earth defense similar to how he made or thus evading the TBB. As you can see onoki has multiple ways of defending himself and the raikage from the TBB.

It is entirely plausible for Kisame and Samehada to remove nearly all, or a majority of his chakra. Nearly the entire fight with Killer Bee is proof enough of this feat. Multiple tails of chakra being lost in a single slash or extended period ( a few seconds) being taken out. While Kisame would be injured from the resulting charge, to a lesser degree from what he received from Killer Bee's lariat, he will still be standing and the Third will be armorless.

The TBB was more or less just an "what if", to your original idea of the two blitzing and then Jinton'ing Kisame to death. Killer Bee would not resort to using that, or transforming until Oonoki is out, or he is the only one who remains.

And that is not exactly a good counter. The TBB could make contact with the ground, or a spam of them could be sent and explode near or ontop of the "caved in" section of earth. I doubt they will be safe when they're only a few dozen feet under the surface.

You really shouldnt downplay onoki chakra reserves. Even if samehada drains some of his chakra he will still have plenty to perform lower scale jutsu.
The thing is; while Oonoki COULD provide a challenge for Kisame and Killer Bee without Jinton. When his chakra begins to drop, and Jinton is no longer capable of being used. . Killer Bee is free to use the full power of his Bijuu.


^^ Onoki clearly saids he used too much chakra against Muu but still he was capable of flying and performing Earth style techniques.

Yes, he can still help out and provide the Third with assistance here. But his usefullness will drop.

Regarding lariat Its very plausible the 3rds body will be capable of tanking most of the damage. Regarding onoki though most of the time he is high altitude or flying so its arguable that Bee wont be able to reach him.

You misunderstand me. Killer Bee will be preoccupying the Third Raikage while he is in the Water Dome as Kisame aims for Oonoki. The Third would be capable of tanking the Lariat, only be thrown back here.


You're not taking into consideraion of Onokis fighting style where it should be common sense by now that usual in mid air so the raiton isnt reaching onoki.

If this were an average lake, I would agree with you. Oonoki would be flying up and out of the way. However, with full knowledge, Kisame will be performing the Water Dome. With Oonoki being not too high up in the air; as if he were, his attacks would be easier to dodge. I doubt he will be capable of escaping the Water Dome when it first comes out. If the Third Raikage is in the air, the same can be said for him. The size of the Water Dome itself rivals mountains [ ]! I can see Onoki being caught in here, and his swimming will not be faster then a under water.

Lakes are not of importance here when onoki can easily manipulate the earth core! How many times do i have to say this? Onoki creating a large gap the lake or water dome would literally drown and go in the large gap created by onoki. Even if Onoki got trapped in the water Dome I see no reason why he can't continue to fly up to the center of the dome and simply fly out. Kisame going after onoki in the dome means close combat. Thats the last thing that kisame wants to do when a simple touch by Onoki can make kisame heavier which will slow down his movements.

If I recall, Oonoki must first be touching the ground to manipulate it. If he is caught in either an average lake, which he won't be. Or the more likely Water Dome. He would have to deal with both Kisame and Killer Bee; not to mention a flurry of sharks if Kisame so wishes to out maneuver his foes that way.

And, no. Touching Kisame and attempting to slow him down with the weighted rock jutsu, or whatever the official name is won't be happening here. A Kisamehada will absorb any chakra the second it comes to contact and within moments Oonoki's reserves (or what is left) will be gone. Any ninjutsu used against this shinobi (form) is useless. Once it comes into contact it will be absorbed at a frightening rate. An example WOULD be the only time we've seen it in use. [ ] A single touch got rid of Killer Bee's V2 cloak. Oonoki, the second Kisame touches him, is done for here.

And with Oonoki gone, and the threat of Jinto is no longer present. Killer Bee is free to transform into the full Hachabi state if he were to choose. Though, I predict a battle between Killer Bee (in V2) and the Third Raikage while under water would be an equal struggle till an outside force stepped in.

Whether it be Oonoki, or the more likely case which is Kisame, the struggle would then be broken. And again. If Kisame comes into contact with the Third Raikage. . . He's a goner as well.

He isnt weakening man who fought 10,000 shinobis for 3 days. How is the raikage not capable of using chakra? because of kisame? please don't forget about the radius the samehada needs to eat the chakra which is pretty damn close.
It is close; but that's regardless. He won't be using electrified chakra attacks in the Water Dome BECAUSE of Oonoki! Any jutsu that could partially fry either Killer Bee or Kisame would have the same effect on his partner. It's VERY unlikely that a man who risked and gave his life for his comrades would so easily betray them in this fight.

The Third Raikage is strong; but a V2 Cloak Killer Bee could over power or rival his strength here. Not to mention that with the added tails, he could land more blows in the Water Dome. And I know what you're thinking, once Oonoki is done for the Third can then use his lightning jutsu. True. But, we do not know the effects it will have on a V2 cloak and if it could somehow "tank" it.

As for Kisamehada, he could potentially absorb it on contact. He DOES take in chakra and jutsu in this form once contact is made. Even if he is defeated, the Third is likely to be chakra worn or lower on reserves once Kisame is out. IF Kisame gets taken out.

You're forgetting a major factor here. Onoki has the ability to pass on his flight allowing them to also fly. As you can see both onoki and the raikage will be taking flight added with the raikages raiton speed kisame will have to be on his guard at all times from all angles.
Again, once the Water Dome is up. It no longer matters. Kisamehada can out swim them both underwater and trap them IN the water dome, even if they fly upwards(I'll explain soon enough) or try to avoid it by flying outwards. One of them will be caught.

Now, what I mean by "even if they fly upwards" is that; Kisame can easily fly straight up and drag the water dome with him to catch his opponents. It's already proven that the water dome follows Kisame around [ ], so I see no reason to NOT believe that Kisame could chase the two if they try to fly to higher altitudes.
Now I have provided another way for the raikage to evade the bijuu dama since onoki can give the raikage the ability to fly so the raikage evading the TBB is no problem here.

Again, the TBB is not a factor in this fight. But, one way Kisame COULD take out Oonoki, and possibly the Third. Though it';s unlikely. Is to use the Great Shark Bullet on him. A jutsu that absorbs chakra and leaves the foe drained. Something that could even be used at the start of the battle; if Kisame felt nervous enough.

Now I know you're thinking "But, Ancient Centurion. Don't try to fool me. Kisame needs a water source nearby to perform this jutsu." Misconception. He was ready to use it on Ay [ ]. This would, without a doubt, rid the Third of the suit, thrash him around and even leave gashes in him. And, do not under estimate the size of it. It's quite large actually,[ ] and Kisame MUST of had confidence in it if he intended on using it against the shinobi worlds current faster ninja.

If/when you reply to this, Prince Charlie, don't expect a reply till late tomorrow evening.
 
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Team 2 .. Kisame absorbs the Raikage's armor and then Bee blitzes him with a lariat that finishes him .. While Onoki is then defeated swiftly
 
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