Only possible descendants of the Other brother

[KingHashirama]

This could be true but I think Kaguya had the byakugan before eating the fruit of the god tree and gained the 10T sharingan after (why it looks like the juubi's eye) so due to the 10T sharingan not being her own KKG the future generation of Hago leading to the elder son would have probably never of kept the byakugan in its purest form and it would of mutated somewhere down the bloodlines.

As for Hago's rinnegan that could be through a mutation passed down from the 10T Juubi sharingan that Kaguya had.

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Here you can see that Hago has three rinnegans but strangely the third eye is colored red even though its not a sharingan another point to rinnegan being a mutation of the sharingan possibly.

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Problem is that isn't a canon picture just fanart =p. That can change at anytime.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Tbh, I doubt the sage's brother will have much bearing on the storyline.

 

[Lightbringer]

Rikudou, specifically said she had only sharingan/Byakugan's power. No rinnegan mate. If it was a rinnegan, she would've had the rinnegan power also.

Did you not read what I said? The rinnegan is derived from Kaguya's sharingan. Everyone's said that since they revealed the Juubi's eye back in chapter 467.

Take out the tomoe of the sharingan and you get the rinnegan.

That 9 tomoe sharingan is the final phase of rinnegan.

9 tomoe sharingan>Rinnegan>EMS>MS>3 Tomoe.



Also it was never stated what all of her powers were. She was shown to control lightning in one panel, so it does suggest she had all nature chakra. All we know is that she ate the fruit and obtained all of the Juubi's chakra which I would assume granted her all of the Juubi's power.

 

[KingHashirama]

Did you not read what I said? The rinnegan is derived from Kaguya's sharingan. Everyone's said that since they revealed the Juubi's eye.

Take out the tomoe of the sharingan and you get the rinnegan.

That 9 tomoe sharingan is the final phase of rinnegan.

9 tomoe sharingan>Rinnegan>EMS>MS>3 Tomoe.



Also it was never stated what all of her powers were. She was shown to control lightning in one panel, so it does suggest she had all nature chakra. All we know is that she ate the fruit and obtained all of the Juubi's chakra which I would assume granted her all of the Juubi's power.

No but that is the point i'm trying to make. Whether it be the 9-tomoe sharingan, or the EMS, they are all sharingan and inferior to the Rinnegan in the end. As far as my belief in this goes.

9-tomoe = full power of the sharingan

Rinnegan =/= nothing to do with the 9-tomoe sharingan. I mean yea i get what you mean though. But to me its just that Rinnegan seems to be a stand-alone thing that even Kaguya didn't have.

She wasn't controlling lightening. It seemed to be more like the Juubi's attack, i wouldn't call it controlling, more like causing.


But from the looks of it Mokuton/Rinnegan are the 2 Juubi related KKGs that Kaguya did not possess, or their powers.

 

[Lightbringer]

No but that is the point i'm trying to make. Whether it be the 9-tomoe sharingan, or the EMS, they are all sharingan and inferior to the Rinnegan in the end. As far as my belief in this goes.

9-tomoe = full power of the sharingan

Rinnegan =/= nothing to do with the 9-tomoe sharingan. I mean yea i get what you mean though. But to me its just that Rinnegan seems to be a stand-alone thing that even Kaguya didn't have.

She wasn't controlling lightening. It seemed to be more like the Juubi's attack, i wouldn't call it controlling, more like causing.


But from the looks of it Mokuton/Rinnegan are the 2 Juubi related KKGs that Kaguya did not possess, or their powers.

Well the 9 tomoe sharingan's design is the regular sharingan+rinnegan. So the way I see it, that eye possesses the sum total powers of both the Sharingan and Rinnegan.

When Hagoromo was born, he only obtained the Rinnegan aspect, and then from there, his son gained the sharingan aspect of the eye.

Again we don't know what powers Kaguya had aside of Bakugan and Sharingan.


Like I said, she ate the fruit which possessed all of Shinju's chakra. So theoretically, she should gain all of its powers including KKG.



Best way to put it, is that the rinnegan and sharingan are two sides of one coin. That coin is the 9 Tomoe sharingan.

 

[KingHashirama]

Well the 9 tomoe sharingan's design is the regular sharingan+rinnegan. So the way I see it, that eye possesses the sum total powers of both the Sharingan and Rinnegan.

When Hagoromo was born, he only obtained the Rinnegan aspect, and then from there, his son gained the sharingan aspect of the eye.

Again we don't know what powers Kaguya had aside of Bakugan and Sharingan.


Like I said, she ate the fruit which possessed all of Shinju's chakra. So theoretically, she should gain all of its powers including KKG.



Best way to put it, is that the rinnegan and sharingan are two sides of one coin. That coin is the 9 Tomoe sharingan.

But that would go against what Rikudou said. and what is shown/portrayed about Rikudou.

 

[Lightbringer]

But that would go against what Rikudou said. and what is shown/portrayed about Rikudou.

What exactly did he say? All he said was that Kaguya was stronger than him and that she possessed the bakugan and sharingan.

Madara doesn't even switch to his sharingan anymore and can use its powers through the rinnegan. Perhaps the 9 tomoe sharingan uses all of the rinnegan's power without needing to switch as well.

 

[KingHashirama]

What exactly did he say? All he said was that Kaguya was stronger than him and that she possessed the bakugan and sharingan.

Madara doesn't even switch to his sharingan anymore and can use its powers through the rinnegan. Perhaps the 9 tomoe sharingan uses all of the rinnegan's power without needing to switch as well.

Yes , however, you missed the part about Rikudou's portrayal.

Rikudou's Rinnegan has been put over the Sharingan. 9-tomoe according to the Rikudou is simply a sharingan of the highest level atleast.

I mean it wouldn't make sense for Kishimoto to bring up 2 characters with their own unique KKGs (Hashirama'sMokuton and SM, and Rikudou's Rinnegan), and in the end have Kaguya possess all of them..

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Raikage's clan.... that is the only possible descendant clan i can think of when it comes to the Other brother of rikudou.

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- The ropes

- Resemblance between the 3rd and the Other bro..

It's possible I suppose considering how little we know of the overall lineage of all the clans and the brother. The Cloud and third Raikage were in possession Hagoromo's tools too and the gold and silver brothers, whom A believed were distantly related to Hagoromo came from there as well.

 

[KingHashirama]

It's possible I suppose considering how little we know of the overall lineage of all the clans and the brother. The Cloud and third Raikage were in possession Hagoromo's tools too and the gold and silver brothers, whom A believed were distantly related to Hagoromo came from there as well.

precisely, and they were said to have been used against the juubi also.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes , however, you missed the part about Rikudou's portrayal.

Rikudou's Rinnegan has been put over the Sharingan. 9-tomoe according to the Rikudou is simply a sharingan of the highest level atleast.

I mean it wouldn't make sense for Kishimoto to bring up 2 characters with their own unique KKGs (Hashirama'sMokuton and SM, and Rikudou's Rinnegan), and in the end have Kaguya possess all of them..

Why not? Kaguya has all of the Shinju's chakra.

Shinju is the progenitor of chakra and KKG.

 

[assface3]

I see what you're getting at.

At least you didn't say Orochimaru.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why not? Kaguya has all of the Shinju's chakra.

Shinju is the progenitor of chakra and KKG.

Having all of the chakra =/= having all the KKGs.

Otherwise even Rikudou would have rinnegan + other KKGs.

Seems like chakra is a special thing.

 

[Lightbringer]

Having all of the chakra =/= having all the KKGs.

Otherwise even Rikudou would have rinnegan + other KKGs.

Seems like chakra is a special thing.

It was never stated that he didn't. If neither Kaguya nor Hagoromo possessed KKG, then how did his descendants come to possess it?



Hagoromo was able to create KKG from creation of all things(i.e.Shukaku)

 

[KingHashirama]

It was never stated that he didn't. If neither Kaguya nor Hagoromo possessed KKG, then how did his descendants come to possess it?



Hagoromo was able to create KKG from creation of all things(i.e.Shukaku)

Shukaku isn't a KKG or the tailed beasts themselves. He seperated the chakras.

 

[Monad]

Problem is that isn't a canon picture just fanart =p. That can change at anytime.

It's part of the colored pages by Kishi at the start of Naruto 671 so I think it is.

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[Lightbringer]

Shukaku isn't a KKG or the tailed beasts themselves. He seperated the chakras.

Well manipulating sand is Dust Release, and the Sage was able to create a beast capable of it, meaning he could create any creature with any sort of power including mokuton(hence Creation of all things)

If his chakra was the cause of the Bijuu's powers, then the chakra is the cause of KKG which stemmed from the Juubi and then Kaguya once she obtained it.