One way to contemplate God

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First off, this is a serious thread and I'm not attempting to offend anyone with this topic. Please take the thread seriously and if it peeks your curiosity, please indulge me.

Now when most people think about God, they will inevitably consider both Heaven and Hell. They will often visualize God residing over Heaven and gazing down upon the world. They might also see the Devil or Satan ruling over Hell and looking up at the world. Now any scientist out there will tell you that there is no such thing as the existence of a 'Hell' inside of the Earth nor is there a 'Heaven' in the clouds above our planet. However, this fact does not dissuade believers from continuing to believe. Even knowing this, they will simply conclude that Heaven and Hell exist elsewhere, perhaps another plane of existence that we cannot directly interact with while we are alive. Of course, this would mean that they believe God also resides in this separate plane of existence. Now, where is this separate existence? Is it somewhere else in our Universe? Is it in our own minds? Or perhaps, its actually a different dimension that we are now talking about.

Talk regarding dimensions:

Getting into the topic of dimensions, we obviously live in the third dimension. Now imagine a being that resides exclusively inside the second dimension. Would they be able to interact with us? No, they wouldn't. Would they be able to contemplate a third dimension? Perhaps not. This challenge extends to us when we try to imagine the fourth dimension. Can you visualize it? If you couldn't, and decided to ask a researcher what they thought about the 4th dimension, they'd likely tell you it has to do with time. Time travel is most likely the next dimension above our own. But how can time be the 4th dimension?

To answer that, you'll first need to visualize how time exists within our world. When you think about time, what comes to mind? Well you'd say there is a present, a past, and of course a future; but that is the entire extent of it. There is no other way to imagine time as we know it. Now, what would you consider this reality of time to be? The answer is time can be described as one dimensional. Think of the word timeline. As the word implies, a timeline can showcase all time that ever existed in our universe in a single line. So the most simple way to think of the 4th dimension is our 3 dimensional world plus 1 dimension of time where 3 + 1 = 4. Of course, time is shared everywhere in our universe, so that one dimension is spread over 3 dimensions of space.

How this could relate to God:

You might be saying, "Wait a moment, how can our dimension plus time be the 4th dimension and how does this relate to God?" First, you need to consider how a master of the 3rd dimension would appear to be. Imagine us with full capability of accessing all corners of the 3rd dimension. Imagine us with wormhole capability where we could be anywhere in the universe in a moments notice. Now extend that to the 4th dimension. A master of the 4th dimension would, therefore, be able to access any corner of our universe in an instant, but also be able to exist in that space at any possible time along our timeline. For all intents and purposes, they could be anywhere at any given time in history, whenever they want. At that point, you might consider such an individual to be all knowing, all seeing and, perhaps, even all powerful. This is indeed one way to consider the existence of God. God could, quite simply, be a being that is the master of 4 dimensions and can therefore see and experience everything that has or will ever be, and do so at will.

Now if God is a master of the 4th dimension, and can be anywhere he wants at any given time, would we even be able to interact with him? Likely not, as interacting with a 4th dimensional being would be similar to a two dimensional being trying to interact with us, it would simply be impossible. This is essentially all there is to the idea, that one way to contemplate the existence of God is to consider the possibility of a 4th dimension and consider the idea of him residing exclusively in that dimension. Using this line of thought, we easily transition into the idea of a 5th and 6th dimension. This won't shed any additional light on how I think it might relate to this possible visualization of God, but if you're curious, please read on.

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Now assuming the 4th dimension is the third dimension + one dimension of time, the 5th dimension would simply be our 3rd dimension + a second dimension of time, or a plane of time. Likewise, the 6th dimension would be our 3rd dimension + 3 dimensional time. Now you're likely saying, "Two and three dimensional time? Now you're talking crazy!", but it could very well be true. A second dimension of time would simply describe a group of timelines sharing the same plane. The number of timelines in this plane would be infinite and could perhaps cross our own timeline, sharing one similar event between them. They could even, perhaps, share nothing at all with our timeline. To get into the realm of 3 dimensional time, you'd simply have to stray ever so slightly out of this plane of timelines, and enter a new plane. Three dimensional time, by definition, would imply an infinite number of timelines where everything has either happened, or will eventually happen.

Therefore, a master of the 5th dimension would not only be able to be anywhere in our universe at any given time in an instant, but also reside within any reality that shares a timeline within the same time plane. A master of the sixth dimension would have this capability, plus an equal capability to do the same within any timeline that resides in any of the infinite number of time planes that could possibly exist. Crazy I know, but it could be possible.

If you made it all the way through, I commend your diligence :).

I hope some people found this intriguing and I thank you for reading as always. This topic is obviously highly controversial and if you have your own thoughts on additional dimensions and how it can or cannot possibly relate to God, I'd love to discuss them. Obviously I tried to imply everything I stated is mere conjecture. I'm simply asserting that such a possibility could exist, not that what I'm talking about is fact. Again, thanks for reading.
 
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Nice thread man I read through all of it lol. It got a little tricky with the 3d time but I think overall I kinda understood it. I am going to become a master of infinite dimensions now!
 

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Think of the dimensions as frequencies and a radio. You have a radio (our brain)and you have so many frequencies, but you can only hear the station or frequency that you are tuned to. If we could change or frequencies of our brain we could probably find hell and heaven. At least other plains of existence.
 

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That was pretty interesting, but that would just mean that 'God' is only capable of watching everything that goes on in our universe at any given time, right? What about the creator?
 

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Nice thread man I read through all of it lol. It got a little tricky with the 3d time but I think overall I kinda understood it. I am going to become a master of infinite dimensions now!
Haha, well we'd literally be talking about dimensions we can't ever hope to be a part of so, yes is definitely hard to understand. Some theorists propose there are 9 dimensions, one for every level of physical dimension and time dimension. They propose 3 dimensional time and 1 dimensional physical space make up a single dimension. This is where you can get the total of 9 from.

That was pretty interesting, but that would just mean that 'God' is only capable of watching everything that goes on in our universe at any given time, right? What about the creator?
Indeed, God would only be able to see our dimension, but he'd have full access to any location at any time in any possible universe. Perhaps they'd be able to find greater ways of interacting with us though, anything is possible but we are limited by our own imagination on the topic. I don't think there would be an actual 'creator' when it comes to what I'm talking about, not really something I considered haha.
 

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Think of the dimensions as frequencies and a radio. You have a radio (our brain)and you have so many frequencies, but you can only hear the station or frequency that you are tuned to. If we could change or frequencies of our brain we could probably find hell and heaven. At least other plains of existence.
An interesting idea. So you think they do indeed reside within another plane of existence, correct? But rather than it being impossible for us to interact with while alive, we could in fact find them by tuning to the right frequency? I'm not so sure its as simple as that. In my opinion, either we can find and interact with it independent of finding the right frequency, or its simply impossible unless we master dimensional travel. If you think you can convince me otherwise, please give it an attempt :).
 

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An interesting idea. So you think they do indeed reside within another plane of existence, correct? But rather than it being impossible for us to interact with while alive, we could in fact find them by tuning to the right frequency? I'm not so sure its as simple as that. In my opinion, either we can find and interact with it independent of finding the right frequency, or its simply impossible unless we master dimensional travel. If you think you can convince me otherwise, please give it an attempt :).
Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy -_-

Anyway, I can't convince you of anything you don't choose too. I can however, put forth my two cents and maybe it will help you with your own theories xD That's how I go about this kind of stuff.

So I'll try to make this short. Basically I think that everything is around us essentially, based off of demonic or evil presences, alien sightings, and what some people call Angelic experiences. For example, UFO sightings. People claim that they see them, appear then disappear at a highly unimaginable speed. Really what they are doing is tuning to our frequencies for a moment, but then tuning back out and it appears to make them look as if they are flying off at high speeds when they really aren't going anywhere at all.

Another thing is demonic or evil presences. If you've never had an experience as such, then this might be hard to explain. They are, however many real cases of unknown things out there. You may only hear them, but it's real (not like how Hollywood portrays it either). I think some of them can tune to our frequencies(half-assed) for a short amount of time, for their own agenda of course.

Try looking up astral projection. Its very interesting, but they say if you train for it they claim you can actually leave your body via your soul and travel around the world in mere moments. However, this is far fetched so I'm not sure if I believe this to the full extents, but it takes years of training to do. I know a guy who has claimed to have done it and what he described was very... dramatic maybe? Basically he said that there are all kinds of creatures, some good, some bad just wandering around here on earth everywhere, but they are simply tuned to their own frequency.

I think I've wandered off and probably ranting too much, I doubt you'll read this. Basically I've come up with these theories from many books and watching weird videos. I don't care if it's all bullshit, it's still fun. A lot of my references come from Behold a Pale Horse, the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon the King and the Goetia. Now King Solomon was very interesting -_- but I'm digging into a topic that could go on forever
 
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This will completely fly over peoples heads because its not as controversial as they want, but everything you've said is plausible.

We are in fact frequency energy based beings living in a multidimensional universal.

Everything is connected on multiply different layers.
 
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Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy -_-

Anyway, I can't convince you of anything you don't choose too. I can however, put forth my two cents and maybe it will help you with your own theories xD That's how I go about this kind of stuff.

So I'll try to make this short. Basically I think that everything is around us essentially, based off of demonic or evil presences, alien sightings, and what some people call Angelic experiences. For example, UFO sightings. People claim that they see them, appear then disappear at a highly unimaginable speed. Really what they are doing is tuning to our frequencies for a moment, but then tuning back out and it appears to make them look as if they are flying off at high speeds when they really aren't going anywhere at all.

Another thing is demonic or evil presences. If you've never had an experience as such, then this might be hard to explain. They are, however many real cases of unknown things out there. You may only hear them, but it's real (not like how Hollywood portrays it either). I think some of them can tune to our frequencies(half-assed) for a short amount of time, for their own agenda of course.

Try looking up astral projection. Its very interesting, but they say if you train for it they claim you can actually leave your body via your soul and travel around the world in mere moments. However, this is far fetched so I'm not sure if I believe this to the full extents, but it takes years of training to do. I know a guy who has claimed to have done it and what he described was very... dramatic maybe? Basically he said that there are all kinds of creatures, some good, some bad just wandering around here on earth everywhere, but they are simply tuned to their own frequency.

I think I've wandered off and probably ranting too much, I doubt you'll read this. Basically I've come up with these theories from many books and watching weird videos. I don't care if it's all bullshit, it's still fun. A lot of my references come from Behold a Pale Horse, the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon the King and the Goetia. Now King Solomon was very interesting -_- but I'm digging into a topic that could go on forever
Heavy stuff.

I agree that demonic or evil presences exist, there are simply too many claims of such encounters to truly debunk them all. However, these kind of encounters often do not require any out of the ordinary perception by the witnessing party. By that I mean the people seeing these things don't need to change what they are doing or how they are perceiving things to suddenly tune into them. Rather, the evil presence is finding a way to make itself known to you.

Therefore, I would argue its not about tuning into a certain frequency in order to experience demonic presences, rather its a matter of happening to be in a place where one resides and when that entity decides to make itself known. I'd also argue strongly against needing to 'tune in' in order to witness a UFO sighting. Those are part of our normal perception, its not abnormal in the slightest.
 

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Wouldn't that mean god would have a god? If it exists on the 4th of 9 dimensions than it would be like a corporate ladder of sorts. With each dimension having a god over the other.

So for there to be an all powerful originator/creator it would have to exist on the 9th dimension where it has domain over the other dimensions right? For this theory's sake anyways.
 

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Wouldn't that mean god would have a god? If it exists on the 4th of 9 dimensions than it would be like a corporate ladder of sorts. With each dimension having a god over the other.

So for there to be an all powerful originator/creator it would have to exist on the 9th dimension where it has domain over the other dimensions right? For this theory's sake anyways.
Well that's one way of thinking about it. Remember, however, that most people that contemplate dimensions agrees that the 3rd dimension is the highest level of space. So the level of time you command over wouldn't be as important as being able to be anywhere at any given moment (as long as you command over the 4th dimension at least) .

Either way, I was suggesting that there might in fact be only one existence of 'God' and he could potentially reside over all dimensions above the 3rd. By this I mean perhaps there isn't a 'God' for every level of dimension. God could simply be the master of the 4th, 5th and 6th (or even a master of all possible 9 as you suggest) and is the only being with that kind of power over dimensions.
 

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Well that's one way of thinking about it. Remember, however, that most people that contemplate dimensions agrees that the 3rd dimension is the highest level of space. So the level of time you command over wouldn't be as important as being able to be anywhere at any given moment (as long as you command over the 4th dimension at least) .

Either way, I was suggesting that there might in fact be only one existence of 'God' and he could potentially reside over all dimensions above the 3rd. By this I mean perhaps there isn't a 'God' for every level of dimension. God could simply be the master of the 4th, 5th and 6th (or even a master of all possible 9 as you suggest) and is the only being with that kind of power over dimensions.
Oh I see, that makes sense.
 

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Who cares. When we die, we die. Might as well stop thinking about what comes after or doesn't come after, and turn the f*ck up while you're alive.
 

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Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy -_-

Anyway, I can't convince you of anything you don't choose too. I can however, put forth my two cents and maybe it will help you with your own theories xD That's how I go about this kind of stuff.

So I'll try to make this short. Basically I think that everything is around us essentially, based off of demonic or evil presences, alien sightings, and what some people call Angelic experiences. For example, UFO sightings. People claim that they see them, appear then disappear at a highly unimaginable speed. Really what they are doing is tuning to our frequencies for a moment, but then tuning back out and it appears to make them look as if they are flying off at high speeds when they really aren't going anywhere at all.

Another thing is demonic or evil presences. If you've never had an experience as such, then this might be hard to explain. They are, however many real cases of unknown things out there. You may only hear them, but it's real (not like how Hollywood portrays it either). I think some of them can tune to our frequencies(half-assed) for a short amount of time, for their own agenda of course.

Try looking up astral projection. Its very interesting, but they say if you train for it they claim you can actually leave your body via your soul and travel around the world in mere moments. However, this is far fetched so I'm not sure if I believe this to the full extents, but it takes years of training to do. I know a guy who has claimed to have done it and what he described was very... dramatic maybe? Basically he said that there are all kinds of creatures, some good, some bad just wandering around here on earth everywhere, but they are simply tuned to their own frequency.

I think I've wandered off and probably ranting too much, I doubt you'll read this. Basically I've come up with these theories from many books and watching weird videos. I don't care if it's all bullshit, it's still fun. A lot of my references come from Behold a Pale Horse, the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon the King and the Goetia. Now King Solomon was very interesting -_- but I'm digging into a topic that could go on forever


Astral Projection is something that was known since ancient times especially in Africa. In Egypt, there are pyramids and temples with rooms with no doors (or other physical means of entry) where ¨knowledge¨ is kept. It is common belief that these rooms were only entered by adepts with the ability to astral project their spirit into these types of rooms. Also, the whole idealism of astral projection has its birth in Shamans/sages leaving their bodies with psycodelic drugs and meditation like you see in the American Indians and African spiritualism. For them, the spiritual world was initiated on the truth from their own experiences, but I digress.





First off, this is a serious thread and I'm not attempting to offend anyone with this topic. Please take the thread seriously and if it peeks your curiosity, please indulge me.

Now when most people think about God, they will inevitably consider both Heaven and Hell. They will often visualize God residing over Heaven and gazing down upon the world. They might also see the Devil or Satan ruling over Hell and looking up at the world. Now any scientist out there will tell you that there is no such thing as the existence of a 'Hell' inside of the Earth nor is there a 'Heaven' in the clouds above our planet. However, this fact does not dissuade believers from continuing to believe. Even knowing this, they will simply conclude that Heaven and Hell exist elsewhere, perhaps another plane of existence that we cannot directly interact with while we are alive. Of course, this would mean that they believe God also resides in this separate plane of existence. Now, where is this separate existence? Is it somewhere else in our Universe? Is it in our own minds? Or perhaps, its actually a different dimension that we are now talking about.

Talk regarding dimensions:

Getting into the topic of dimensions, we obviously live in the third dimension. Now imagine a being that resides exclusively inside the second dimension. Would they be able to interact with us? No, they wouldn't. Would they be able to contemplate a third dimension? Perhaps not. This challenge extends to us when we try to imagine the fourth dimension. Can you visualize it? If you couldn't, and decided to ask a researcher what they thought about the 4th dimension, they'd likely tell you it has to do with time. Time travel is most likely the next dimension above our own. But how can time be the 4th dimension?

To answer that, you'll first need to visualize how time exists within our world. When you think about time, what comes to mind? Well you'd say there is a present, a past, and of course a future; but that is the entire extent of it. There is no other way to imagine time as we know it. Now, what would you consider this reality of time to be? The answer is time can be described as one dimensional. Think of the word timeline. As the word implies, a timeline can showcase all time that ever existed in our universe in a single line. So the most simple way to think of the 4th dimension is our 3 dimensional world plus 1 dimension of time where 3 + 1 = 4. Of course, time is shared everywhere in our universe, so that one dimension is spread over 3 dimensions of space.

How this could relate to God:

You might be saying, "Wait a moment, how can our dimension plus time be the 4th dimension and how does this relate to God?" First, you need to consider how a master of the 3rd dimension would appear to be. Imagine us with full capability of accessing all corners of the 3rd dimension. Imagine us with wormhole capability where we could be anywhere in the universe in a moments notice. Now extend that to the 4th dimension. A master of the 4th dimension would, therefore, be able to access any corner of our universe in an instant, but also be able to exist in that space at any possible time along our timeline. For all intents and purposes, they could be anywhere at any given time in history, whenever they want. At that point, you might consider such an individual to be all knowing, all seeing and, perhaps, even all powerful. This is indeed one way to consider the existence of God. God could, quite simply, be a being that is the master of 4 dimensions and can therefore see and experience everything that has or will ever be, and do so at will.

Now if God is a master of the 4th dimension, and can be anywhere he wants at any given time, would we even be able to interact with him? Likely not, as interacting with a 4th dimensional being would be similar to a two dimensional being trying to interact with us, it would simply be impossible. This is essentially all there is to the idea, that one way to contemplate the existence of God is to consider the possibility of a 4th dimension and consider the idea of him residing exclusively in that dimension. Using this line of thought, we easily transition into the idea of a 5th and 6th dimension. This won't shed any additional light on how I think it might relate to this possible visualization of God, but if you're curious, please read on.

Additional stuff about dimensions:

Now assuming the 4th dimension is the third dimension + one dimension of time, the 5th dimension would simply be our 3rd dimension + a second dimension of time, or a plane of time. Likewise, the 6th dimension would be our 3rd dimension + 3 dimensional time. Now you're likely saying, "Two and three dimensional time? Now you're talking crazy!", but it could very well be true. A second dimension of time would simply describe a group of timelines sharing the same plane. The number of timelines in this plane would be infinite and could perhaps cross our own timeline, sharing one similar event between them. They could even, perhaps, share nothing at all with our timeline. To get into the realm of 3 dimensional time, you'd simply have to stray ever so slightly out of this plane of timelines, and enter a new plane. Three dimensional time, by definition, would imply an infinite number of timelines where everything has either happened, or will eventually happen.

Therefore, a master of the 5th dimension would not only be able to be anywhere in our universe at any given time in an instant, but also reside within any reality that shares a timeline within the same time plane. A master of the sixth dimension would have this capability, plus an equal capability to do the same within any timeline that resides in any of the infinite number of time planes that could possibly exist. Crazy I know, but it could be possible.

If you made it all the way through, I commend your diligence :).

I hope some people found this intriguing and I thank you for reading as always. This topic is obviously highly controversial and if you have your own thoughts on additional dimensions and how it can or cannot possibly relate to God, I'd love to discuss them. Obviously I tried to imply everything I stated is mere conjecture. I'm simply asserting that such a possibility could exist, not that what I'm talking about is fact. Again, thanks for reading.


Only thing I would add is the fact that the sheer definition of GOD would include the fact that he could not only exist in a 4th dimension... being omnipotent/omnipresent/all powerful and eternal, he would by definition exist in the highest dimension of those in ¨existance¨. Anything else would be a god, but not ¨the God¨.

Interesting read.....
 
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