One question for Itachi fans

[Airbear]

Lel. I ain't even mad. Though you should tell that to your boyfriend, who cried throughout the entire debate and then ragequit. You seem pretty butthurt though. Keep weeping kid.

Never mind. It's clear you're not mad.

 

[Airbear]

Chill man, if you can come up with an argument of your own then please do so. State your reasons why Itachi can block superman's punch. If you can, that is.

No hard feelings

Or I can keep my opinions to myself, for I don't feel like having my self-esteem lowered by naruto fan.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Nahh.... I apologize for not ending this thread sooner. ;p

Narutofan assumes that Supermans physical output surpasses the limit to which Yata-no-kagami, a shield designed to prohibit all attacks can defend. His proof of this is nothing besides personal belief and his argument is that Yata has not shown enough to credit itself which is a fallacy. His personal application of the no limits falllacy dictates that anything written by an author that dawns on limitless value is only an exaggeration unless proven true: meaning that the something such as the Jūbi originally possessing infinite chakra, the fruit of the God tree bestowing limitless chakra to those who eat of it is false or that the infinite Tsukuyomi can go on infinitely is also exaggeration.....because 'it was never been show', an idiotic argument one. It's both idiotic and flawed because it dictates that nothing infinite can exist in a fictional world unless its proven to achieve the infinite. Yet he does not believe a sneeze from Pre-crisis superman could destroy the cosmic cube which is also hyped to be unbreachable. He's essentially a biased DC/Marvel fanboy who distorts the laws of logic to suit his own argument..a waste of time. ​

sorry but, you should be more specific about what the "Yata mirror" can block (PHYSICAL attacks).

in any case, it seems that this could keep going forever, that's why i keep saying, never make any comparisons between characters from different series's/comics/Manga's especially when one comes from an entirely different power scale (people will treat the statements as if it's absolute).

but, when it comes to the terms/statements used in comics/Manga's like :

- Immortal : a fancy way of saying extremely hard to kill within it's verse, the same can be said about "invincible".

- unbreakable : extremely difficult to break within it's verse.

there's always the possibility of it not being absolute especially when you bring a massive force from another verse or even it's verse to test it's limits.

not too long ago, it was hinted that Susanoo is unbreakable/the ultimate defense but, we all saw it break when it got hit with enough force.

all i'm saying is don't deny the possibility of "Yata" breaking if it got hit with enough force.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Nahh.... I apologize for not ending this thread sooner. ;p

Narutofan assumes that Supermans physical output surpasses the limit to which Yata-no-kagami, a shield designed to prohibit all attacks can defend. His proof of this is nothing besides personal belief and his argument is that Yata has not shown enough to credit itself which is a fallacy. His personal application of the no limits falllacy dictates that anything written by an author that dawns on limitless value is only an exaggeration unless proven true: meaning that the something such as the Jūbi originally possessing infinite chakra, the fruit of the God tree bestowing limitless chakra to those who eat of it is false or that the infinite Tsukuyomi can go on infinitely is also exaggeration.....because 'it was never been show', an idiotic argument one. It's both idiotic and flawed because it dictates that nothing infinite can exist in a fictional world unless its proven to achieve the infinite. Yet he does not believe a sneeze from Pre-crisis superman could destroy the cosmic cube which is also hyped to be unbreachable. He's essentially a biased DC/Marvel fanboy who distorts the laws of logic to suit his own argument..a waste of time. ​

The thread was done when I first one shotted you. You just can't admit defeat

Prohibit all attacks to defend? The only feats it has shown of deflecting physical attacks, were two multi-city block level attacks. It was not my personal application of the no limits fallacy. I said simply because the author wrote it, doesn't dictate that it is a fact. Amaterasu burns as hot as the sun, not a fact. Sasuke undefeatable, not a fact. Superman omnipotent, not a fact. Just because it "lives up to the hype" doesn't mean anything. If the feat does not fit, you must acquit. Nuff said. Where did me or the definition of no limits fallacy EVER say nothing infinite can exist in the fictional world?

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold. For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.

The one above all is infinite in his verse because he has the power of the author. Same with kami tenchi, same with the man of miracles. Here's how it is applied here.

1st. Itachi had quotes and claims from the creator it could block any physical attacks.
2nd. The feats. It blocked and reflected TWO SIMPLE multi-city block level attacks.
3rd. The fallacy. Because of this, you assume that he can block planet level attacks that are 100s to thousands of petatons.

CDE and No limits fallacy alike. And again, guess what? Contradiction! How? I did not even dictate my own use of the word no limit fallacy, ya dope, I dictated your use of it in your argument. Lel.

The cube reference is still irrelevant. And I love how you didn't directly reply to me. Did you not heed my straw man lesson? Here you go, again~!

This is when one person corrupts an opponent's argument into something different, a "straw man" that they set up just to knock it down.

Example:

Person A: Luffy is so fast due to Gear 2, he would easily blitz Naruto.

Person B: Luffy isn't light speed! You're wrong.

Person A never said Luffy was light speed, person B is making that up to make Person A's argument look bad.

Which you used again. I ignore simple "application" of logic.. you ignored simple application of physics! I gave the physical calcs for a planet being destroyed at above 40 exatons and a supernova at several foe. What'd you do? Ding! Sidestep! I gave you a full length response to your final direct post to me and what'd you do? Give up AND sidestep!

Indirect debating is when a user implicates several things in the thread after a debate being proven wrong, and ignores the previous debater.

This is where you went wrong. Multiple accounts.

The debate ended on the first post. You're just angry.

 

[Narutofan4203]

If he even decides to reply.. to just stop up the cube argument.

It was said by the author the cube was indestructible. Yes. It was said by the author yata is indestructible, yeah. But what feats were shown of this? I have said it time and time again, two multi-city block level attacks.. Once you can show me him "repelling" an attack that is above 40 exatons (the biggest recorded nuke was tsar bomba, at 50 megatons and a random decimal), or even a country level punch from say, goku, we can leave this be. Until then, you have no argument and I am winning. Just deal with life.

 

[ComplexCity]

Easy...


All you need to know is: What is the Yata Mirror:

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This proves nothing quite honestly

 

[Joseph Gomes]

sorry but, you should be more specific about what the "Yata mirror" can block (PHYSICAL attacks).

in any case, it seems that this could keep going forever, that's why i keep saying, never make any comparisons between characters from different series's/comics/Manga's especially when one comes from an entirely different power scale (people will treat the statements as if it's absolute).

but, when it comes to the terms/statements used in comics/Manga's like :

- Immortal : a fancy way of saying extremely hard to kill within it's verse, the same can be said about "invincible".

- unbreakable : extremely difficult to break within it's verse.

there's always the possibility of it not being absolute especially when you bring a massive force from another verse to test it's limits.

not too long ago, it was hinted that Susanoo is unbreakable/the ultimate defense but, we all saw it break when it got hit with enough force.

all i'm saying is don't deny the possibility of "Yata" breaking if it got hit with enough force.

Well explained man, I don't Itachi fanbase would accept you as an Itachi fan anymore. Because you have brain. The susanoo part at the end was very good. Immortal and unbreakable are indeed fancy words of comic/manga unless proven by worthy feats.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Easy...


All you need to know is: What is the Yata Mirror:

You must be registered for see images

​

So he would be punched and it would be itachi, in the vacuum of space.. still alive, yata still up? When the BEST it has shown was multi-city block level reflecting? Gueeeeesssss what waltzy? All? What's that.... no limit! And..?

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold

Yooou guessed it!

For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.

Yep, yep, yep! Tooooo easy.

This is now what we like to call damage control.
1. an attempt made to correct or rectify a situation that went wrong

I would highly suggest you leave. This is a stomp at unholy level. You've been running and getting stomped on for the past 4 hours. You already left once, why did you even come back? Simply because your god complex is too high.. come on, I can at least suppress mine. Lol.

 

[ComplexCity]

Well explained man, I don't Itachi fanbase would accept you as an Itachi fan anymore. Because you have brain. The susanoo part at the end was very good. Immortal and unbreakable are indeed fancy words of comic/manga unless proven by worthy feats.

Here's my thing...


Yata has no feats except against Kunai bombs, how can we assume that it is indestructible? Isn't that the epitome of an assumption?

 

[Narutofan4203]

Here's my thing...


Yata has no feats except against Kunai bombs, how can we assume that it is indestructible? Isn't that the epitome of an assumption?

There's the thing right there. You. Can. Not. Waltz ignores this and chooses not to accept it and has made multiple posts about me as a debater in a whole in a fit of rage just because he got exposed for using no limits fallacy, CDE fallacy, and straw man fallacy, and he did it twice to support any type of argument he had. This is one of the most simple things to understand, but unfortunately, the average IQ of this website is 30.

 

[Koro]

What the flying f*ck?! You guys are still debating lel!

 

[Conspirator.]

There's the thing right there. You. Can. Not. Waltz ignores this and chooses not to accept it and has made multiple posts about me as a debater in a whole in a fit of rage just because he got exposed for using no limits fallacy, CDE fallacy, and straw man fallacy, and he did it twice to support any type of argument he had. This is one of the most simple things to understand, but unfortunately, the average IQ of this website is 30.

Indeed. Feats are just as important as hype, and yata mirror's feats are sorely lacking. I also agree with the bold.

 

[ComplexCity]

That's odd...then you also believe that Superman's punches could shatter the Tesseract which was also hyped to be unbreachable yet lacks feats/has never been shown to withstand a force strong enough to move galaxies ? (unless you're biased as well, the same concept should apply) ​

I don't have a scan, but it's been shown Superman moving earth and grasping black holes with his bare hands (I've seen scans and don't feel like looking for them.) Supes hype is backed with feats. Sadly, Yata is not

 

[Narutofan4203]

That's odd...then you also believe that Superman's punches could shatter the Tesseract which was also hyped to be unbreachable yet lacks feats/has never been shown to withstand a force strong enough to move galaxies ? (unless you're biased as well, the same concept should apply) ​

Is that why you're still not responding to me? You're afraid of getting exposed. Keep ignoring my posts, proves how weak you are. No one mentioned the tesseract.

This is when one person corrupts an opponent's argument into something different, a "straw man" that they set up just to knock it down.

Example:

Person A: Luffy is so fast due to Gear 2, he would easily blitz Naruto.

Person B: Luffy isn't light speed! You're wrong.

Person A never said Luffy was light speed, person B is making that up to make Person A's argument look bad.

If it was hyped to be unbreachable and that's the only argument you have supporting it, it's invalidated. You even used the simple words "all" and "can" for your argument. If that is not no limits fallacy, I do not know what is. No one is biased but you, for you continuously back the author's "quotes" and have given 2 mere feats of him tanking two multi-city block, town level at best, attacks, and claim it can deflect all physical attacks, simply based on this, but the fact that it said it can block "all", which means infinity. 3 reinstated words kiddo. Extrapolated to infinity. Your argument is irrelevant to this situation, and all situations. You even tried backing up your claims with saying I made all of the databook invalidated, which I did not, I just stated it was irrelevant and such quotes from it were fallacious hyperbole and are not true just because the author said it, which then comes my superman is not omnipotent, nor is odin, or the presence argument.

For the love of god mate, you are hitting yourself with a nail in the head. Usually I am the hammer, but this time, you're wielding it bro.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

There's the thing right there. You. Can. Not. Waltz ignores this and chooses not to accept it and has made multiple posts about me as a debater in a whole in a fit of rage just because he got exposed for using no limits fallacy, CDE fallacy, and straw man fallacy, and he did it twice to support any type of argument he had. This is one of the most simple things to understand, but unfortunately, the average IQ of this website is 30.

Average IQ is below 30, I'm not counting the troll threads. Most of the arguments here are terrible

 

[Koro]

Lel everyone is ganging up on Waltz xD

 

[ComplexCity]

Lel everyone is ganging up on Waltz xD

No, I respect him as a debater but I just want to see how validates this foolish claim. Yata hasn't enough feats to validate it's hype

 

[Narutofan4203]

Lel everyone is ganging up on Waltz xD

No offense guys, you're all great debaters and really cool, but I don't need your help to school, pool, and ridicule this clown xD. Lmao this guy is way too easy. He should stick to the versus colosseum, really. I bet he looked up the tesseract/cube too. Rofl.

 

[Koro]

No offense guys, you're all great debaters and really cool, but I don't need your help to school, pool, and ridicule this clown xD. Lmao this guy is way too easy. He should stick to the versus colosseum, really. I bet he looked up the tesseract/cube too. Rofl.

Don't forget about the thesaurus!

 

[Char Aznable]

I read somewhere that the Yata Mirror's blocking ability could "theoretically" reflect all attacks. Things like rasenshuriken + variants, kirin, yasaka magatama, susanno arrows, susano sword attacks, bijudama, bijudama rasenshuriken, particle style of Mu and Onohki etc etc being some of the strongest attacks in the Naruto Verse. I doubt Yata can tank all of them neg diff. The impact of kirin flattened Itachi and burned off his cloak. Susanno may only provide so much protection from high tier attacks.