One Piece must be a boring series if...
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He's not going to get mixed reviews: On a One Piece dedicated section, where all of the people are fans of One Piece.
The only real flaws to it (IMO) :
1.is the pacing towards the start of the Manga being extremely fast and then during the Alabasta arc going really slow. Basically pacing is inconsistent.
2.Some of the Strawhats lack character development and only really got development through the time skip. Prime examples are Robin, Franky and Chopper.
3.Oda's habbit of switching scenes when everyone gets pumped
4.Some of the ridiculous character designs. I can see why 3 meter tall guys would be cool. I'm talking about completely disproportionate characters like Moriah, Kuma, Patrick Star (Chinjao) etc. Like you previously mentioned at some moments when they need to be taken seriously; you just can't.
But to be honest the only one which takes anything away from the quality of the story is the latter.
So there you have it, happy now, SkyGodHorus?
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You're sounding salty right now. I'm not even sure what this thread is about exactly.
Also SJ doesn't push OP, it has the biggest fan base in Japan, simple as that.
Also SJ doesn't push OP, it has the biggest fan base in Japan, simple as that.
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Actually I think it makes sense that Robin and Franky haven't been developed outside of flashbacks. Robin actually developed by learning to trust and love the Strawhats, and by getting a value for her life at Enies Lobby. But remember, Robin and Franky are in their 30s, they're not gonna do much "growing" you know? They're personalities are pretty much intact, and Franky's development came during his flashback/backstory, by learning from Tom to treasure what he makes and never forsaken his crafts.
SkyGodHorus
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Rinne...lol...the whole reason I neg repped him was because he said that to me. You really think I'd just sit back and ignore some jerk who called me insecure, mentally disturbed, ignorant and pathetic? Sure, I did that in grade school, when I grew up and they continued doing it, I kicked their asses. I don't tolerate neither bullying nor bigoting. It leads to trauma and suicides.
To an extent I am, but only in regards to how it's advertised, as I stated. However, as I stated my main argument extends to the fanbase's over all attitude.
No lol, you really can't say that. Naruto is constantly criticized. One Piece is not. In case you haven't noticed, almost every single post in this thread has been "One Piece is Fantastic!" This thread has made my point almost pristinely. As soon as I say a single negative thing about it, whether it is light, objective or even indirect, fans immediately attack me. Insulting my intelligence, calling me insecure, pathetic etc, as if they were programmed too lols. It's actually kind of creepy and somewhat returning to my notion that it is over advertised. Do you think I really wish to relate to such a fan base as that? Then of course there are the few who state "oh it does have flaws but at the end of the day, they are minor and don't matter." Uh really?
Feel better now? Lols.
Us? What are you, a hive mind now?
Lots of contradictions here. First and foremost, I stated in my op that if I was generalizing, please explain to me why I am.
Second, I find it funny that you say I insulted a fanbase, (Which I didn't. I was simply using an observation) and then go on to say this site is the most retarded in the net lols.
Third, saying this when you frequent it, which makes you a part of that "retarded site."
Yet you using the word "us."
I'm glad too considering your behavior is just unreasonable and creepy.
For me, it is. People relate to fiction because it relates to them. This means at times its themes reflect the attitudes and personalities of its fans, and as I said, if I can't relate to the fans, how will I be able to relate to the series, especially when I like to relate to all fans of a medium I enjoy?
So basically you're saying I'm generalizing one piece fans while you go on to generalize DBZ fans...I'm not seeing the logic here.
Mmmm more or less an esoteric tone, considering a large degree of them probably aren't used to criticism. Then again, that's just my "generalization."
Unfortunately, I'm always calm. It appears the fans here are the ones who have been "agitated" as you said.
Please don't tell me how to think lols.
You're right. That was very rude. Nevertheless, I'm used to it now. You're welcome for your +rep earlier all the same.
From my point of view, they do. You may call me narrow-minded, pathetic, ignorant, blah blah blah for whatever reason, but that's how I think.
I never stated the fans make me feel bad. I said I don't like a lot of them due to their attitudes.
Yep, it's definitely getting there...
When did I say they sucked? I never said that. I said I disliked their attitudes and it would be difficult to relate to them.
Not really. I was hoping I was just over generalizing and was looking for someone to convince me that I was. However, in regards to this site at least, it appears the generalization was pretty close.
Apparently so lols.
Well, you know what they say, a person is a product of their environment.
Yes, and then to go on to say those flaws are minor and insignificant or that its leagues better than several other series. From what I recall, only two or three people didn't follow this criteria, and they kept their replies simple, which tells me even more about the fans.
Time will tell, but I've criticized the manga a few times now, and almost every time, other series I enjoy get bashed, If I am not bashed as a result.
But aren't you proving those generalizations as we speak?
I wasn't aware this was a contest?
And there's that contradictory attitude again.
No, you just are in countless other things.
I've read four arcs actually.
Why are we bringing Oda in this exactly? I never mentioned the mangaka once. Are you feeling "insecure" as someone once said about him or something?
No, this was not one site. This is over a half a dozen sites. And actually, it's primarily not due to my criticism but simply my observation of one piece fans, with me indirectly being involved.
Because it possesses arcs and isn't finished yet? Are you saying you don't criticize anything until it is finished? I doubt this.
So now you're telling me not to criticize it at all until its over? Oh wait, this thread wasn't directly about the manga, but the fans.
Actually, I have my criticisms of the characters and story, but they are not part of the topic. Well, at least not directly.
Mm hm. I will.
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You keep saying this is about criticizing the fans, but the thread is saying the manga itself is boring if people love it?
Dude, you can always read the series and ignore interactions with the fans. Fans don't affect the quality of the story. Shitty or good fans, the series' quality depends on the series. Look at Naruto, it's a good manga with a cesspool of a Naruto Discussion Section.
Dude, you can always read the series and ignore interactions with the fans. Fans don't affect the quality of the story. Shitty or good fans, the series' quality depends on the series. Look at Naruto, it's a good manga with a cesspool of a Naruto Discussion Section.
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Lol no, the thread basically entails "the series must be boring if many of the fans are boring" because most fans I've come across I can't seem to relate to. As I said, they bash other series and say One Piece is fantastic or flawless. That same one-dimensional line and attitude gets old after a while and I've left one or two sites before because of it while it is still rampant on others, including here. Furthermore, I believe a series' themes reflect its fans and their attitudes and personalities at times. Unfortunately, I couldn't fit this all into one title and people took it out of proportion. Then again, maybe they didn't lols.
Yes, I'm trying to decide whether I should do that or not.
Mmm I don't necessarily think that's true. Many authors tend to steer towards fans wishes, including mangakas. I honestly believe Oda likely did this as well many times considering how many he continues to satisfy. This isn't a short series of books or a film we're talking about here. It's a manga that's been going on for almost twenty years and it's never once had its downs with it's fans, at least none that I can think of. Doesn't that give you the implication that Oda can almost read people's minds? Of course not. However, it does give me the implication he goes greatly by their wishes, which in a way is like a paradox to it.
Lol This guy can't even quote correctly...
As for your reply to my actual comment, OP doesn't have any huge problems that impact the plot in a negative way. Most flaws are completely subjective and that's why most fans tend to disagree. Like for example, most people would say that a flaw in OP is that it starts off to slow or the art is goofy. I completely disagree because OP isn't made to be "fast paced" and I have no idea why people would want it that way since it's an adventure. The adventure isn't just there as soon as you get on the island. The only exception to this was prob. MarineFord since it was just an all out war and it was paced pretty quick for OP standards. Again, art is subjective and I think it fits OP nicely. It's "childish" most of the time but it can get extremely serious when it needs to. The art doesn't handicap the mood. I mean look at Luffy's face when he is happy and compare it when he's p*ssed off.
Anyways, I'm not saying there's no flaws. I'm just saying the flaws that people have are usually subjective and most of the time are just personal biases. My only flaw/gripe with the series is that fights are off-panel. You'll see how annoying this gets but at the same times it's necessary because we'll eventually see an all out fight with that character involved in the off-panel fight. Again, people will disagree etc etc etc. From a story stand point, OP doesn't have any flaws and if there was flaws they are minimal.
As for your reply to my actual comment, OP doesn't have any huge problems that impact the plot in a negative way. Most flaws are completely subjective and that's why most fans tend to disagree. Like for example, most people would say that a flaw in OP is that it starts off to slow or the art is goofy. I completely disagree because OP isn't made to be "fast paced" and I have no idea why people would want it that way since it's an adventure. The adventure isn't just there as soon as you get on the island. The only exception to this was prob. MarineFord since it was just an all out war and it was paced pretty quick for OP standards. Again, art is subjective and I think it fits OP nicely. It's "childish" most of the time but it can get extremely serious when it needs to. The art doesn't handicap the mood. I mean look at Luffy's face when he is happy and compare it when he's p*ssed off.
Anyways, I'm not saying there's no flaws. I'm just saying the flaws that people have are usually subjective and most of the time are just personal biases. My only flaw/gripe with the series is that fights are off-panel. You'll see how annoying this gets but at the same times it's necessary because we'll eventually see an all out fight with that character involved in the off-panel fight. Again, people will disagree etc etc etc. From a story stand point, OP doesn't have any flaws and if there was flaws they are minimal.
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Another thing about Oda is that it seems like these flaws serve a purpose, it's almost like he does them on purpose.
Making some characters look goofy and making goofy drawings, so that when characters get serious and makes serious faces and shit, you go "Whoa." Like Luffy, the reason he looks so badass pissed off and serious is because Oda draws his face goofy as shit a lot.
With the pacing, it makes the finale better cuz it's like an all-out explosion. Same with off-panel fights, it's to make a grand finale.
That's really simple, if the fanbase is obdurate, pedantic or insipid. Or if they seem problematic to you then not watching is the better suggestion. Or better yet, cease all interaction with the fans, problem solved either way. The fans are out, now you can enjoy, and probably wait until you've found someone who has better a attitude and you can confidently and openly discuss with, I'm sure there are many such one piece fans.
The funny thing here is, when I criticise the naruto manga on NB, all I hear 24/7 is sorta like this, first hand once the thread has been created.
Random 1: don't read it
Random 2: are you for real lulz, what an idiot
Random 3: you're a troll
Random 4: some krool guy
Random 5: not so funny guy
Random 6: Internet tough guy
Random 7: sakura sucks, hinata ftw
Random 8: he/she replies kindly
Even tho I'm verily providing a viable criticism on the series, these are the replies I get? Exactly, now I don't even create any threads on NB when it comes to NDS cause of the fanbase, and they haven't stopped me from enjoying nardo. How is the naruto fanbase any different? again, it's been explained, it's turning into circular reasoning.
I never plus reped you. and yes, ofc! the least I can do is apologise, right? I'm sorry skygodhorus-sama. No hard feeling now huh?
There's no reason on my behalf to call you narrow minded, or ignoramus. Basically if a fan is being stupid or acting autistic (well to obviate, not the whole fanbase is like that anyway. again as I've earlier stated, one piece is a popular series, it will have fanboys just like any other thing is which contains and is overrun by a lot of fans) you will not enjoy it? I don't see the logical reason behind this, since I usually don't care about the fans or how they react, if I see a logical person of the particular series I watch/read. I will happily engage in a lovely discussion or debate, if I spy a retard or a troll, then i wouldn't. Hey! but that's just me. Everyone is different after all.
Not generalising, I'm just making a point to further ameliorate the argument, which is simply, that all fandoms which have exceeded in popularity will enrol with fanboys and derps feigning to have a picture on a monitor has their best friend. To provide more profundity, it's like this most of the time with popular animes, movies, music or even video games. It's a common case with something that's popular, you will have have it, it is there, it cannot be eradicated, as you cannot remove the fanbase itself.
Naruto: Lawl hiruzan wank/itachi solos/sasuke sama/best show ever/one piece is childish compared to naruto/one piece fans are 12 year olds <----- I tend to get swarmed with these arguments on a lot on other forums.
Bleach: better girls homie, plus better drawn out of the HST
Dbz: strongest anime char and no one compares, father of all anime (no it isn't, Akira was inspired and influenced by astro boy anyways.)
Call of duty: best video game ever so stfu troll, best grahics, hooray!
Iron maiden: best band evaaaa!
^see where I'm going? The harangue doesn't end, it's not just with this particular fanbase, You encounter this with all fandom, heck the cod fandom is the worst in the world, in my honest opinion. So again, you're reasoning doesn't seem solid when it's fixated solely on the fanbase.
It was a piece of advice. I'm assuming you"ll repeat the same phrases again, I guess? so suit yourself?
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I don't think I'm contradicting myself. You've just read the first four arcs. You don't know whats coming and how good it is. I stand by what I said, the good outweighs the not so good big time. There are no huge flaws in One Piece. If you ever read it you will see it for yourself. Again I said "no huge flaws" which means there are some but not so huge. And yes you need to read a substantial part of a series before you can criticize it. One Piece has 750 chapters till date and is expected to cross 1000, so first four arcs is nothing. I slept through the first 30 mins of LOTR 1. I didn't understand whats so special about it. My friends told me the pacing is slow and everything builds up. I dropped it but I don't go around criticizing it saying the story is slow, its a boring and not very interesting series or go complaining like my buddies call me stupid for calling LOTR slow and not captivating, they call it the perfect triology but its nothing close to it blah blah blah. I can do that but I don't. Why? Cause I'm aware I have seen so little compared to how much there is so I'm in no position to criticize here. Your problem is you don't have patience and you rush to conclusions about almost everything fast. That's something easily evident from this thread. You need to read a substantial part of it before you can go criticizing it.Not really. I was hoping I was just over generalizing and was looking for someone to convince me that I was. However, in regards to this site at least, it appears the generalization was pretty close. Apparently so lols. Well, you know what they say, a person is a product of their environment.
Why are we bringing Oda in this exactly? I never mentioned the mangaka once. Are you feeling "insecure" as someone once said about him or something? No, this was not one site. This is over a half a dozen sites. And actually, it's primarily not due to my criticism but simply my observation of one piece fans, with me indirectly being involved. Because it possesses arcs and isn't finished yet? Are you saying you don't criticize anything until it is finished? I doubt this. So now you're telling me not to criticize it at all until its over? Oh wait, this thread wasn't directly about the manga, but the fans. Actually, I have my criticisms of the characters and story, but they are not part of the topic. Well, at least not directly. Mm hm. I will.
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Ah that was kinda off topic wasn't it?
And real United fans will always support their team.#iamunited
OT-You should make your opinion after reading the manga, at least half of it, rather than making opinion based upon what other people think.
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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What a BS, you've been bashing this series from the get go, and present it as a form of criticism, which is pathetic,
and are you crying to the mods ? LMAO for what cause ? for insulting you ? oh boy your tears is so delicious
Ok gentlemen here we see he have no idea what to say anymore, his tears just keep coming
again talking nonsense, probably in desperate state, his mentality just reached rock bottom,
It is not significant my son, nitpicking over such thing is just pathetic, and your reason is just ugh.......
quite frankly stupid
hey son that's my line LOL, i guess the idea of someone saying One Piece is better than your fav manga is killing you huh ?
I doubt that you have one to begin with...
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There is one thing i want to address, you see moaning about One Piece fans is irrelevant to begin with,
but the one that really disturbed me is when you talk and criticize Shounen Jump for what they did, hmhm
Exactly what they did ?
Let me educate you, here you're crying about how they keep pushing/promoting One Piece and neglect other manga in their magazine yes ? where is the ground for this statement ?
because last time i saw SJ promoting One Piece like crazy is when the new OP movie is about to released in theater, other than that its pretty normal, its business as usual, every manga have their share of promotion they deserved,
and not only One Piece have crazy advertising when its new movie is about to come out,
Just 1 year before One Piece latest movie was out, Naruto is releasing Road to ninja movie, and the advertisement is just crazy, its all over the place, from newspaper,Tv commercial,Radio,Idol concert,Voice actor fanfare, and an entire Ramen shop dedicated for this Naruto road to ninja movie....
So where is the propaganda here ? aren't you just making things up ? or please show me the ground for your statement about SJ and One Piece propaganda...
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#youaregloryhunterAh that was kinda off topic wasn't it?
And real United fans will always support their team.#iamunited
OT-You should make your opinion after reading the manga, at least half of it, rather than making opinion based upon what other people think.
What's it like in mid table? YNWA!
Basically guys, just ignore him. He's getting a kick out of repeating the same dull points which have already been refuted many times - in order to stir us up.
SkyGodHorus I can honestly say you're just one of the many generic narutards. I hope you don't read One Piece because the community doesn't need someone like you. Goodbye
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Lol I can see what you are saying but the fact is that OP has very few flaws. They are some but they dont impact the story in a negative way so much. The fans do go overboard and claim its the best ( subjective) but you cant say to them its not because it is there opinion. Oh and normally the people who bash Naruto only do so cos they bashed OP first and anyway the number of times I have seen people bash OP and then proceed to read it and love it is huge, Yo momma san being an example. It just gets annoying.
They also seem to love posting in this section even tho they dont like it ( Vasu). Anyway read it if you want and dont if you dont want to but to me it seems that you wont like the series because your mindset is negative to it already. Plus you dont want the fans your arguing with to turn out right so you will try to find flaws or maybe you do that in every series?
Also, I really dont understand your point about SJ.
They also seem to love posting in this section even tho they dont like it ( Vasu). Anyway read it if you want and dont if you dont want to but to me it seems that you wont like the series because your mindset is negative to it already. Plus you dont want the fans your arguing with to turn out right so you will try to find flaws or maybe you do that in every series?
Also, I really dont understand your point about SJ.