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[OG sama]

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From what we've seen, Fujitora's worst attribute seems to be his agility. While he is in no way slow, it is still debatable if he's capable of dodging Luffy's punches with ease. Blocking them would probably be less straining - which, as you can see, is exactly what Fujitora is doing. Even if he was capable of dodging without breaking a sweat; Fujitora is obviously holding back in this fight. Thinking otherwise is just ridiculous at this point. You're looking at a scan where Fujitora is blocking and dodging all of Luffy's attacks, and you think Gear Second is holding its own? Think again.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy actually could land a hit or two in this fight. Fujitora is obviously the much stronger one, but it's not like he could take out Luffy with ease. At this point in time, it's not a matter of landing a couple of hits, but rather landing enough hits to take out an Admiral. I don't see Doflamingo's durability being superior to an Admiral's. The fight between Akainu and Aokiji supports this. If Luffy is to win over Fujitora or any of the other Admirals, a few Gomu Gomu no Pistols or Gatlings or whatever aren't enough.

True its not enough, but Luffy with just G2 is indeed scratching Fuji as shown in the top right panel. The fact that both Luffy and Fuji are holding back and seem to be stalemating each other is impressive, more impressive on Luffy considering not too long ago he couldn't even injure an injured Doflamingo with G2.

What's obvious isn't Fuji holding back, what should be obvious is the fact that Luffy has gotten stronger. How has he not when an injured Doflamingo said G2s attack felt like tickles? If Luffy could only tickle injured Doflamingo and now is able to scratch Fujitora who undoubtedly should have better endurance than an injured Doffy, is it not obvious he has gotten stronger?

 

[Skylar Knight]

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True its not enough, but Luffy with just G2 is indeed scratching Fuji as shown in the top right panel. The fact that both Luffy and Fuji are holding back and seem to be stalemating each other is impressive, more impressive on Luffy considering not too long ago he couldn't even injure an injured Doflamingo with G2.

What's obvious isn't Fuji holding back, what should be obvious is the fact that Luffy has gotten stronger. How has he not when an injured Doflamingo said G2s attack felt like tickles? If Luffy could only tickle injured Doflamingo and now is able to scratch Fujitora who undoubtedly should have better endurance than an injured Doffy, is it not obvious he has gotten stronger?

What's more impressive is how you so quickly assumed that Fujitora is "hurt." That on his forehead? That's nothing more than some contrast. It's barely there at the top left panel. Even Zoro got some at the buttom right. So, yeah, let's leave the "facts" out of this til' after the chapter is released. Also, Luffy did manage to hurt an injured Doflamingo - more than once.

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You're right, it's all too obvious that Luffy's gotten stronger. It's a fundamental part of many anime, including One Piece. The hero goes on some sort of adventure, meets the enemy, fights the enemy, defeats the enemy, becomes slightly stronger, goes on a new adventure, meets a new enemy, and so on. However, becoming strong enough to hold his own against an Admiral is just not natural at this point. It's been three days since he fought and barely defeated an injured Doflamingo. He can't go from that to holding his own against an Admiral, unless the Admiral is holding back considerably.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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What's more impressive is how you so quickly assumed that Fujitora is "hurt." That on his forehead? That's nothing more than some contrast. It's barely there at the top left panel. Even Zoro got some at the buttom right. So, yeah, let's leave the "facts" out of this til' after the chapter is released. Also, Luffy did manage to hurt an injured Doflamingo - more than once.

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You're right, it's all too obvious that Luffy's gotten stronger. It's a fundamental part of many anime, including One Piece. The hero goes on some sort of adventure, meets the enemy, fights the enemy, defeats the enemy, becomes slightly stronger, goes on a new adventure, meets a new enemy, and so on. However, becoming strong enough to hold his own against an Admiral is just not natural at this point. It's been three days since he fought and barely defeated an injured Doflamingo. He can't go from that to holding his own against an Admiral, unless the Admiral is holding back considerably.

Yeah exactly. While it would be dope to see Luffy do so well against an Admiral, the jump in strength in the time period between his last fight and this is just way too high.

 

[OG sama]

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What's more impressive is how you so quickly assumed that Fujitora is "hurt." That on his forehead? That's nothing more than some contrast. It's barely there at the top left panel. Even Zoro got some at the buttom right. So, yeah, let's leave the "facts" out of this til' after the chapter is released. Also, Luffy did manage to hurt an injured Doflamingo - more than once.

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You're right, it's all too obvious that Luffy's gotten stronger. It's a fundamental part of many anime, including One Piece. The hero goes on some sort of adventure, meets the enemy, fights the enemy, defeats the enemy, becomes slightly stronger, goes on a new adventure, meets a new enemy, and so on. However, becoming strong enough to hold his own against an Admiral is just not natural at this point. It's been three days since he fought and barely defeated an injured Doflamingo. He can't go from that to holding his own against an Admiral, unless the Admiral is holding back considerably.

I never said he was hurt. But if Luffy can go from only tickling an injured Doflamingo to bruising an admiral then of course its an obvious increase. And there both holding back considerably.

And lol, how is it not natural for him to hold his own when he plans on going after Yonko after this? What's not natural is going after a Yonko when you can't even injure an injured Doflamingo.

Of course I'm not going to be jumping to conclusions and saying Luffy can hold his own with an admiral until we see how this all ends.

 

[saw2097]

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While its likely that Fujitora is holding back, Luffy gets vastly stronger in between fights and during fights. Its not the first time he struggled against one powerful bad guy and then fights another even more powerful bad guy.

He is probably already even stronger than he was when he fought Doflamingo.

 

[OG sama]

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While its likely that Fujitora is holding back, Luffy gets vastly stronger in between fights and during fights. Its not the first time he struggled against one powerful bad guy and then fights another even more powerful bad guy.

He is probably already even stronger than he was when he fought Doflamingo.

Yes and Oda gets inspiration from DB as well. Monkey D? Its not unreasonable to believe Luffy gets stronger as he fights just like the saiyans and Goku.

But still, I wouldn't get my hopes up with this chapter, the closer I get to its release, the more I realize the fight probably isn't what it seems. Fuji seems to need to tell Luffy something and it may seem like G2 is holding its own only to get owned on the next page. I'm keeping my expectations really low.

Odas going to end the fight rather unclear if Fuji was even using anything close to his full power, watch Fuji use not even one DF based attack.

 

[Bogard]

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Is G2 holding his own against Fuji when post-gamma knife Doffy considered G2 haki enchanted hits ticklish? Man this is nothing short of bullshit, control the power inflation for **** sake, it went from G2 hits getting stalemated by Jinbe to pushing Fuji around, Ill wait for the full release but really man, really?

Blood donation weakened Fujitora, i'm calling it

 

[OG sama]

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Blood donation weakened Fujitora, i'm calling it

Sounds cheesy as hell. Pre skip Zoro lost much more blood and made that shit seem like it wasn't a big deal. Fuji donating a little blood should not affect him. Though I wouldn't put this pass Oda, anything to make Luffy look very underwhelming I suppose.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Sounds cheesy as hell. Pre skip Zoro lost much more blood and made that shit seem like it wasn't a big deal. Fuji donating a little blood should not affect him. Though I wouldn't put this pass Oda, anything to make Luffy look very underwhelming I suppose.

"Wasn't a big deal."
>Coma for days
>Could barely stand or speak
>Eyes completely bloodshot
>Exerting himself took out far more stamina and effort than normal
Sure.

And Mansherry's process seems to have that as a special effect. It's not so much giving so much blood as it is giving so much blood through this power, the same way that Luffy fighting for an hour in Gear 2 is vastly less taxing that him fighting for an hour in G4.

 

[OG sama]

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"Wasn't a big deal."
>Coma for days
>Could barely stand or speak
>Eyes completely bloodshot
>Exerting himself took out far more stamina and effort than normal
Sure.

And Mansherry's process seems to have that as a special effect. It's not so much giving so much blood as it is giving so much blood through this power, the same way that Luffy fighting for an hour in Gear 2 is vastly less taxing that him fighting for an hour in G4.

Sounds like you got your excuses already huh.

It was a big deal but that's not my point, if Zoro can still stand just right after taking all that damage and even speak prior to all that stuff you listed. Fuji shouldn't be affected at all for giving a little blood.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Sounds like you got your excuses already huh.

It was a big deal but that's not my point, if Zoro can still stand just right after taking all that damage and even speak prior to all that stuff you listed. Fuji shouldn't be affected at all for giving a little blood.

Not an excuse, a reason. If you dismiss the reason simply to have something to complain about, you shouldn't be posting. Fujitora isn't weakened because he gave blood, but because the process that he gave blood through has a side effect that occurs once you reach a certain amount due to it being a DF ability.

 

[OG sama]

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Not an excuse, a reason. If you dismiss the reason simply to have something to complain about, you shouldn't be posting. Fujitora isn't weakened because he gave blood, but because the process that he gave blood through has a side effect that occurs once you reach a certain amount due to it being a DF ability.

No your just always trying to blow something out of proportion to suit your needs that's how I see it. The kenpopo process shouldn't even affect Fuji as much as your making it seem, we've seen only marine fodder falling out and crap from it. Even pre skip Zoro endured much worse, in fact he was still able to stand and say, "nothing, nothing at all". Before any of the commas and crap started to kick in. Post skip should endure much worse and Fuji even more.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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No your just always trying to blow something out of proportion to suit your needs that's how I see it. The kenpopo process shouldn't even affect Fuji as much as your making it seem, we've seen only marine fodder falling out and crap from it. Even pre skip Zoro endured much worse, in fact he was still able to stand and say, "nothing, nothing at all". Before any of the commas and crap started to kick in. Post skip should endure much worse and Fuji even more.

The thing is, it's not your decision to make. YOU don't get to decide that this Devil Fruit power should or shouldn't have this particular effect, Oda does. If Oda says once you give up a certain amount of blood via this fruit's power you are weakened, that's what SHOULD happen. That's how it works. I don't understand why you feel to need to complain that "Fuji shouldn't be weak from giving up such a small amount of blood" when it's not giving up blood that has affected him, but the specific power of this fruit. It's the principle as if Sugar taps you, you turn into a toy. It'd be like that happening to Fuji because he thought she was an innocent girl and you complaining about "How could a light tap turn him into a toy? He can take Sabo's hits, but a light tap turns him into a toy???" It's not about what you can endure, and it's not about giving blood, it's about Oda saying "This fruit causes this to happen, regardless of who you are." If you ignore that just to have something to gripe about, then you just sound like a whiny brat.

 

[OG sama]

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The thing is, it's not your decision to make. YOU don't get to decide that this Devil Fruit power should or shouldn't have this particular effect, Oda does. If Oda says once you give up a certain amount of blood via this fruit's power you are weakened, that's what SHOULD happen. That's how it works. I don't understand why you feel to need to complain that "Fuji shouldn't be weak from giving up such a small amount of blood" when it's not giving up blood that has affected him, but the specific power of this fruit. It's the principle as if Sugar taps you, you turn into a toy. It'd be like that happening to Fuji because he thought she was an innocent girl and you complaining about "How could a light tap turn him into a toy? He can take Sabo's hits, but a light tap turns him into a toy???" It's not about what you can endure, and it's not about giving blood, it's about Oda saying "This fruit causes this to happen, regardless of who you are." If you ignore that just to have something to gripe about, then you just sound like a whiny brat.

And what if Oda doesn't say anything or foreshadow that the process affected Fuji? Are you just going to dismiss your opinion as fact? Just because Luffy managed to hold his own, there must be a reason for it right?

The process is only suppose to affect your movements for a certain amount of time. Knowing you, you will say something like it nearly took 50% of his health, lol it put him on his deathbed, some crap like that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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And what if Oda doesn't say anything or foreshadow that the process affected Fuji? Are you just going to dismiss your opinion as fact? Just because Luffy managed to hold his own, there must be a reason for it right?

Seeing as the spoilered translation has Zoro saying something feels weird, that's not happening. Right now, the two proposed options are so:
1. Luffy skyrocketed from below Doffy, who is below Admiral, to Admiral, by sleeping for three days because Oda is inspired by DBZ, meaning Luffy, the One Piece human character, will have the biological components and characteristics of the fictional alien Saiyans from DBZ

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2. The process that we were introduced to that takes blood has a side effect that once you give a certain amount, it weakens you to a certain degree,has immobilized fodder but only weakened Fuji a level or two because he's so strong, which we know because he gave blood through this process, is why Luffy is holding his own and Zoro says something is wrong.

Yeah, no, you're right. That first option is totally more likely to happen. Hey, Oda was inspired by DBZ who featured Namekians who could stretch and regenerate. Luffy can stretch, I'll bet we'll see him regrowing arms too, right? Cuz that's how being a fan of something works? You take the biology of a unique alien species of another series and give it to the human character of yours?

 

[OG sama]

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Seeing as the spoilered translation has Zoro saying something feels weird, that's not happening. Right now, the two proposed options are so:
1. Luffy skyrocketed from below Doffy, who is below Admiral, to Admiral, by sleeping for three days because Oda is inspired by DBZ, meaning Luffy, the One Piece human character, will have the biological components and characteristics of the fictional alien Saiyans from DBZ

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2. The process that we were introduced to that takes blood has a side effect that once you give a certain amount, it weakens you to a certain degree,has immobilized fodder but only weakened Fuji a level or two because he's so strong, which we know because he gave blood through this process, is why Luffy is holding his own and Zoro says something is wrong.

Yeah, no, you're right. That first option is totally more likely to happen. Hey, Oda was inspired by DBZ who featured Namekians who could stretch and regenerate. Luffy can stretch, I'll bet we'll see him regrowing arms too, right? Cuz that's how being a fan of something works? You take the biology of a unique alien species of another series and give it to the human character of yours?

Doesn't sound like Zoro is referring to that at all. It sounds more like he's startled because he doesn't get why Luffy is shouting out where he's attacking. Time will tell.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Doesn't sound like Zoro is referring to that at all. It sounds more like he's startled because he doesn't get why Luffy is shouting out where he's attacking. Time will tell.

Common sense already has, but it doesn't seem like you two are on speaking terms. I agree though, human One Piece character Luffy has the same biological ability as alien Saiyans from DBZ. Genius.

 

[OG sama]

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Common sense already has, but it doesn't seem like you two are on speaking terms. I agree though, human One Piece character Luffy has the same biological ability as alien Saiyans from DBZ. Genius.

The chapter hasn't even came out and your already confident that your opinion is fact? I'm not at all surprised.

And are you seriously freaking kidding me? Monkey D? Just because Oda may get inspiration from DBZ doesn't mean every thing is going to be exactly the same. He may have the same ability to get stronger after he fights its not at all unreasonable as your making it seem.

 

[skygoku]

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Looks like the fight isn't going to last long ends by this chapter and Bart for strawhat maybe

 

[OG sama]

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Luffy gets owned by one attack from Fujitora and gets saved by hajrudin?

Looks like even Oda can't help but make Luffy look weak.

I give up I'm tired of defending Luffy, I guess the whole speech was useless.

Luffy says he's going to blow Yonko/Admirals away, gets blown back himself.

Oda your something else.