[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 888 Discussion and 889 Predictions

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Because Katakuri already fought him and he beat Luffy so hard Luffy wasn't able to move anymore...Oh wait
didn't that happen with Crocodile as well?

Why would it be BS when Luffy literally knows Katakuri's powers now and he even said that he thought Katakuri was invinsible but he denied it in the same line,that means he is onto something how to defeat Katakuri...especially now when Rayleigh flashback came XD

also it was said the more you fight stronger Haki that your Haki grows as well...
 

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no it wouldn't...why would Luffy defeating Katakuri be bad writting?
Because he was shown to be weaker than Katakuri

Because Katakuri already fought him and he beat Luffy so hard Luffy wasn't able to move anymore...Oh wait
If you're talking about Rob Lucci, it's not the same because Lucci and Luffy were portrayed as on par with each other. Can't compare it to Katakuri, who has been shown to be superior to Luffy in pretty much every way.

didn't that happen with Crocodile as well?
Luffy literally only survived against Crocodile because other people helped him and he got lucky multiple times, not to mention that Crocodile stopped using his sand powers because he wanted to poison Luffy.

Why would it be BS when Luffy literally knows Katakuri's powers now and he even said that he thought Katakuri was invinsible but he denied it in the same line,that means he is onto something how to defeat Katakuri...especially now when Rayleigh flashback came XD
Knowing how Kata's powers work don't change that Luffy is still inferior to Katakuri. For Luffy to go from inferior to on par or even superior just because he conveniently can is garbage writing.

Oda was on the right track when he introduced a weakness for Katakuri, and then immediately ****ed it up by having it be a weakness that Katakuri can literally ignore and STILL showed Katakuri to be stronger than Luffy with the weakness being exploited.
 

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Because he was shown to be weaker than Katakuri


If you're talking about Rob Lucci, it's not the same because Lucci and Luffy were portrayed as on par with each other. Can't compare it to Katakuri, who has been shown to be superior to Luffy in pretty much every way.


Luffy literally only survived against Crocodile because other people helped him and he got lucky multiple times, not to mention that Crocodile stopped using his sand powers because he wanted to poison Luffy.


Knowing how Kata's powers work don't change that Luffy is still inferior to Katakuri. For Luffy to go from inferior to on par or even superior just because he conveniently can is garbage writing.

Oda was on the right track when he introduced a weakness for Katakuri, and then immediately ****ed it up by having it be a weakness that Katakuri can literally ignore and STILL showed Katakuri to be stronger than Luffy with the weakness being exploited.
@bold Implying now didn't?

The fact that Luffy found Katakuri's weakness means it's not a bad writing if Luffy beats him now LOL Luffy was losing since he didn't know a thing how Katakuri's powers work...
 

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@bold Implying now didn't?

The fact that Luffy found Katakuri's weakness means it's not a bad writing if Luffy beats him now LOL Luffy was losing since he didn't know a thing how Katakuri's powers work...
Finding a weakness means nothing when the enemy is still superior to you WHILE you're exploiting that weakness. That goes double since Katakuri quite literally got over his weakness and removed it from the equation, forcing Luffy to have to find a second one.
 

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Finding a weakness means nothing when the enemy is still superior to you WHILE you're exploiting that weakness. That goes double since Katakuri quite literally got over his weakness and removed it from the equation, forcing Luffy to have to find a second one.
It does mean,Luffy is onto something where definitelly he has a tactic now.Before Luffy had no idea what and how Katakuri worked...
 

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The only big difference between Katakuri and Luffy is speed. Luffy has already shown the ability to damage Katakuri in g4, but that was only because of the Merienda, so it's not like he can't harm Katakuri. It's just that he is too slow to touch him because of his future seeing ability. Also, Luffy has been hit by Katakuri's awakened donuts and still got back up, so it's not like any of Katakuri's attacks are during any heavy damage to Luffy in his g4 state. Let's just assume that Luffy is able to see a little bit into the future, It wouldn't necessarily be bad writing since he has already displayed a smaller feat at Marineford, so if he is able to advance his Kenbunshoku haki even a little, then Luffy defeating Katakuri now wouldn't be off because it was already foreshadowed that he would get it, and just recently with the Rayleigh flashback it was noted that Luffy gets slightly better during extreme conditions.

He obviously got stronger since his fight with Flamingo and that was an extreme battle, so it would only make sense for him to gain a little bit of boost in his haki against someone who is even stronger.
 
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The only big difference between Katakuri and Luffy is speed. Luffy has already shown the ability to damage Katakuri in g4, but that was only because of the Merienda, so it's not like he can't harm Katakuri. It's just that he is too slow to touch him because of his future seeing ability. Also, Luffy has been hit by Katakuri's awakened donuts and still got back up, so it's not like any of Katakuri's attacks are during any heavy damage to Luffy in his g4 state. Let's just assume that Luffy is able to see a little bit into the future, It wouldn't necessarily be bad writing since he has already displayed a smaller feat at Marineford, so if he is able to advance his Kenbunshoku haki even a little, then Luffy defeating Katakuri now wouldn't be off because it was already foreshadowed that he would get it, and just recently with the Rayleigh flashback it was noted that Luffy gets slightly better during extreme conditions.

He obviously got stronger since his fight with Flamingo and that was an extreme battle, so it would only make sense for him to gain a little bit of boost in his haki against someone who is even stronger.
like how hard is it to notice that? Just 'cause some people are fan of Katakuri that doesn't mean Luffy shouldn't beat him XD

this is just logic and foreshadowing how Luffy will get stronger...
 

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The only big difference between Katakuri and Luffy is speed. Luffy has already shown the ability to damage Katakuri in g4, but that was only because of the Merienda, so it's not like he can't harm Katakuri. It's just that he is too slow to touch him because of his future seeing ability. Also, Luffy has been hit by Katakuri's awakened donuts and still got back up, so it's not like any of Katakuri's attacks are during any heavy damage to Luffy in his g4 state. Let's just assume that Luffy is able to see a little bit into the future, It wouldn't necessarily be bad writing since he has already displayed a smaller feat at Marineford, so if he is able to advance his Kenbunshoku haki even a little, then Luffy defeating Katakuri now wouldn't be off because it was already foreshadowed that he would get it, and just recently with the Rayleigh flashback it was noted that Luffy gets slightly better during extreme conditions.

He obviously got stronger since his fight with Flamingo and that was an extreme battle, so it would only make sense for him to gain a little bit of boost in his haki against someone who is even stronger.
Yeah, let's ignore that Katakuri's Strong Mochi overwhelmed Luffy.
 

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Yeah, let's ignore that Katakuri's Strong Mochi overwhelmed Luffy.
Isn't that his point a bit? Doesn't change the fact that Luffy can stil damage him
And yea Katakuri's "overwhelming" mochi overpowered Luffy's attack and he still got back up , like he said he didnt really do heavy damage, infact what kinda damage did it do? Luffy was still running around after it and and right now is back looking for more. So Katakuri's strongest attack is nowhere enough to make Luffy stay down, while the other way around Luffy still has his to show for
 

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carrot is bumcity. bum version of chopper's transformation if you ask me.

luffy will finally get to knock out that fraud katakuri, I cant wait. after that he will be top 10 strongest one piece fighter and top 1 coolest character, because he's already the best character in one piece. 21 gunshots for king luffy the saviour.
 

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Wow! Carrot looks awesome in that form! And she can fly too, how does she do that? Damn if Carrots strength can be boosted this much I wonder how strong Neko and Inu are in this form, they were holding their own with Jack without it.

That form is so cool and not goofy looking at all, like I thought it was going to be really silly looking.

What should we call this form? Full moon Carrot? Awakened Carrot? Were rabbit Carrot?
it's called Sulong, you did read the chapter right?

no it wouldn't...why would Luffy defeating Katakuri be bad writting?
Because he is OP he is on a level Luffy is not supposed to be anywhere near yet, for him to just out of nowhere with no training or real ace up his sleeve beat Katakuri would be bull
 
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it's called Sulong, you did read the chapter right?



Because he is OP he is on a level Luffy is not supposed to be anywhere near yet, for him to just out of nowhere with no training or real ace up his sleeve beat Katakuri would be bull
Luffy already received 1.5 years training by one of the best, if not the best, Haki users in the world. That person left Luffy alone for the next half year because he believed he couldn't teach him anything anymore and that everything else is up to Luffy himself. That same person also taught him that the stronger the opponents are Luffy fights, the more his Haki will increase.

I've said this before, but this entire conception of people trying to create a natural pecking order among characters and using common sense to formulate some kind of universal training regime that everyone could follow to become the strongest, is misplaced. Then you are reading the wrong manga.

This is just my personal opinion, but Dogtooth has been fighting for two-three decades by now. Luffy a fraction of that, so rationally speaking Luffy should spend at least a decade or so training in the New World to have a chance against him (which is not going to happen). So I find it a fallacy to say that Luffy isn't anywhere near Dogtooth, but if he takes a time-out of a few weeks or months, somehow that would change everything? That's a farce. Then you are trying to provide a rational explanation as to how Luffy possibly could beat Dogtooth, however it's with a shallow facade. I rather prefer then that Luffy beats him here and now because at least it's genuine.

Besides this is the New World. Common sense doesn't really apply here as if there was some common training way to be able to stand up to Yonkou, everyone would be doing it. The New World is a place of monsters and irrationality and where your spirit will make the difference. The stronger your opponents are, the more you will have to push your Haki to its limits and thus the more it will be able to grow. That's what Rayleigh explained to Luffy. It's highly dangerous and the majority of the characters would never succeed, but the few ones who do will make giant leaps and that is something Luffy understands. He considers it imperative to beat Dogtooth right now as there is no alternative. No amount of training would be an equivalent.

Imagine Luffy is able to flee from Dogtooth and this arc comes to an end. They are then going after Kaidou, so somehow he has to succeed at that when he even failed at moving passed Dogtooth's threshold? No, Luffy kinda has to beat Dogtooth and he knows it.

This is just an extension of the premise of the New World that was set early on: either you join a Yonkou or you fight them. What Luffy and the others are doing right now is their training.
 

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"Oh my fav is Katakuri and I'll be salty if Luffy beats him"...is what I'm getting in this thread.


Luffy has something up his sleeve and as we know he has more G4 variations...is he uses G4 speed form I'm giving it to Luffy.

Since most of things Katakuri has are similar things to Luffy + better CoO...not much of a difference to me.
 

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That was a fantastic chapter. Luffy challenging Katakuri was awesome, Smoothie and Daifuku actually about to fight is gonna be hype, but the star of the week, far and away, was Carrot. Her Ceylon form (the most likely anglicization) is badass. I have yet to watch the Anime, but I think that last scene would be awesome to watch.

My only criticism: The Straw Hats now have Mega Buneary, but no Mega Stone.
 

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Funny since that's exactly how he got gear second and gear third to beat Rob Lucci.
But gear 2nd has an explanation ie he says okay well i've learned over time to use my rubber body to pump my blood at high speed and gain a new form. If luffy gains a new form here then okay but if he just suddenly is stronger without one it'll be dumb
 
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