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He's talking about Oda. Oda is holding back the BM Pirates to make this situation survivable for the Strawhats.
[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 882 Discussion and 883 Predictions
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I would rather go the more sensible route and think that Luffy is improving in his observation haki mid fight versus Oda being forced to slightly nerf Katakuri because he ****ed up, so hopefully it is the former, but even then, as others have pointed out, Luffy is in base right now dodging Katakuri a lot better than when he was in gear 2nd getting blitzed, so this doesn't really add up. Even if Luffy's foresight has gotten better in base, it shouldn't be better than his gear 2 state.
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Am I the only one who read this in a different way? My interpretation was that Luffy was better at dodging so Katakuri has to use his observation haki more than usual? Basically Luffy is quite fast? Because the other thing doesn't make sense considering he was getting destroyed two minutes earlier and G2/3 was pointless against cracker? Also what Brulee and Katakuri said doesn't make sense. Surely he would have fought someone stronger than Luffy in all his time in the new world
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Misdeemed how? He got more hype in this chapter to confirm he is the best in of the commanders. This is a shonnen show so luffy magically being better at observation haki is a possibility.
Oda continues to milk the hell out of this arc, can we please for the love of God get some progression? This arc just needs to end, why does oda have to milk every arc like this? He did it with DR and now he's doing it here that shits so annoying.
Also if Luffy isn't going to learn or gain something new from this fight then it really shouldn't be happening. I know the haters love to see Luffy get his ass whooped but Its lame. He's not even fighting back and all he's going to do in G4 is stall and then when it runs out he's just going to run away again for the 3rd time already. Why would anyone want to see this fight go down the same route the last two went down? When is Oda going to decide he needs to actually get stronger, I feel like he's learning nothing.
Also if Luffy isn't going to learn or gain something new from this fight then it really shouldn't be happening. I know the haters love to see Luffy get his ass whooped but Its lame. He's not even fighting back and all he's going to do in G4 is stall and then when it runs out he's just going to run away again for the 3rd time already. Why would anyone want to see this fight go down the same route the last two went down? When is Oda going to decide he needs to actually get stronger, I feel like he's learning nothing.
He's probably adjusting to Katakuri's movements which is him learning to train more with his observation haki under pressure, and since it was mentioned that Katakuri has been using awakening, and how Luffy remembers Doflamingo using it, my guess is that we will see Luffy train to unlock awakening before he goes to Wano.
But agree, Oda shouldn't be putting Luffy against people just so we can watch him get kicked around for 4 chapters, it does get annoying.
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Oda didn't milk Dressrosa. Oda had to dedicate as much time as possible in Dressrosa to developing the people that would become the Strawhat Grand Fleet.
We've watched Luffy rise up on top for 20 years. You'll be aight with him losing three or four times.
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I do agree. With all the Katakuri hype regarding how he trained his eyes(blah blah blah) never lost(blah bla blah) and still he can't beat Luffy.
Its not like I want to see Luffy getting destroyed by Katakuri but at this stage Luffy should have used G4 and then showed feats where he can see a pattern in Katakuri's attack(something like that) or he can predict what Katakuri going to do next. That way he could have possibly escaped Mirror world trapping Katakuri there.
If Luffy beats Katakuri here(like some people are saying using G4 or some new form) means he basically surpassed Yonko commander lvl which kind of makes no sense(seeing how he struggled few chapters back against Cracker).
Ive also seen him get his ass whooped plenty of times, especially pre skip.
But its not about being a Luffy fan and not liking it, I simply don't want to see the same shit for 4 chapters straight and a predictable ending to the fight where Luffy uses G4, it doesn't work and it times out so he runs away. Oda could actually be progressing the story in some fashion. If Luffy learns nothing from this fight, then goes to Wano and is still the same strength then this battle was indeed pointless. And that's probably exactly what's going to happen he's going to waste all these chapters with the same conclusion the Cracker fight had, he won't learn anything from this beating and then when Oda actually does power him up its going to look like a complete ass pull and its going to happen against an even stronger opponent which means more complaining from me and the rest of the fandom.
Lol I remember when people were saying something similar to this when the Cracker fight was happening. Everyone assumed the fight was 10 hours long so Luffys stamina could improve and therefore his G4 would last longer. But did that actually happen? Probably not, unfortunately I see this fight playing out just like the last one where he learned nothing but I hope I'm wrong because I don't want to see a Luffy who can't even beat Cracker team up with Law and Kid(presumably) and beat Kaido.
Exactly its just wasting chapters, us fans are ready to move on from this arc, if you aren't going to give us an epic battle then what's the hold up, lets just move on to Wano already.
Yeah I did. You said with help of Law and Kidd.
Don't really see how that will make a difference. Kidd didn't really make a good first impression against Kaidou. Luffy did less damage against Big Mom than the rock that scraped her knee after all the careful planning they did. And even after all that Big Mom mocked Luffy that he won't be ready for Kaidou, implying he is even a step up from her.
But sure, after struggling against commanders this arc, he will take out a yonkou next arc.
Even after rereading your post that didn't seem to help me understand how Luffy will beat Kaidou.
The point is he must progress to atleast do some damage in wano not necessary having to take out Kaido but atleast do something big to piss off Kaido etc. The whole arc is pointless otherwise. He should be an improved version and of himself since his fight with cracker. If he still gets whooped by katakuri low diff or something, this arc and luffys exp with it becomes a bit useless.
That's my point, he's about to jump Luffy right into an arc where he's supposed to take down the WSC. How are we supposed to believe he's going to do that even with the help of say, Law and Kid when none of those guys individually are even worthy of being his Top 3 calamities?
I'm supposed to believe Law, Kid, Luffy at their current levels can beat Kaido together? When if this same team went up against Kaidos Top 3 they would lose?
Oda needs to buff these guys considerably for me to be convinced.
Big Mom will be fighting Kaidou, and the Supernova will pick off the scraps.
That's my theory. There is no way Luffy and the rest should be able to compete on yonkou level at this point in the story, that would throw off the entire power balance all the way to Raftel.
Why else is Big Mom still around then ? Or Smoothie and even Katakuri (who isn't likely to fall) Basically BM and her army is 95% intact only missing Cracker, Bobbin and Perospero's arm.
If Oda has two major powers clashing, and BB taking out Shanks. Then Luffy only needs to beat a yonkou once. And that will be at the end of the series against Blackbeard. That would be the smart thing to do instead of powering Luffy up now.
Otherwise every challenge after Big Mom/Kaidou would be bullshit because Luffy would've been overpowered at that point.
Pitting the Yonko against each other and making them take out each other is a smart idea but it also would be waaay too easy and we both know that's not how Oda rolls. BB taking out Shanks is 100% happening though but that's the only one imo.
Also it doesn't do anything for Luffys progression if they just take out each other, like how will Oda be able to explain Luffys massive jump in power when he faces Teach if we go by your theory? He would not have even fought a single Yonko up till then but yet he's strong enough to beat the strongest one which would be Teach when that time comes with no former Yonko experience at all?
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