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Nothing in the manga confirms that he is stronger than Big Mom.
Big Mom openly claimed that she needed the giants help to beat him. If that was not the case then she would have killed him and Kaido already. WB is already dead.
Also Big Mom's Crew is massive when compared to Shanks so you would think she would win by outnumbering but no she still claims she needs the help of the Strongest Race in One Piece.
 

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They could always spin the "chiffon is family" card. Especially with all the 'nice family' thingy that has been shown in recent chapters.

Sanji's case is different tho, they planned on assassinating him from the very beginning, then he wanted to assassinate their captain. There's too much bad blood between them.

We'll see how it will play out, but if it ends with Sanji cooking his way out of this, I can't help but feel I'll be pissed.
Was that family card being played when Big Mom tried to smash her head in when she looked out of the window of the castle ?

What is so bad in working together during a cease fire with your enemy ? The Strawhats have been doing that in numerous occasions. If the Big Mom family would be stubborn about it and let their best hope on a chocolate cake get away. Their island gets smashed and a lot of people will die.
 

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Big Mom openly claimed that she needed the giants help to beat him. If that was not the case then she would have killed him and Kaido already. WB is already dead.
Also Big Mom's Crew is massive when compared to Shanks so you would think she would win by outnumbering but no she still claims she needs the help of the Strongest Race in One Piece.
She claimed she needed the Giants to take down ALL the other Yonkos, not one specifically. Y'all fail to realize that in a clash between two Yonko groups, they're losing the majority of their crew which comprises a HUGE part of the Yonko name.
 

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Was that family card being played when Big Mom tried to smash her head in when she looked out of the window of the castle ?

What is so bad in working together during a cease fire with your enemy ? The Strawhats have been doing that in numerous occasions. If the Big Mom family would be stubborn about it and let their best hope on a chocolate cake get away. Their island gets smashed and a lot of people will die.
He said the BM crew not BM, so the example you gave doesn't really equate.

It's not really a ceasefire since one side is still pursuing the other with the intent to kill them.

The BM family probably isn't all that aware of Sanji's food skills so in their eyes they'd see Pudding and Chiffon as their best hope at getting a cake not Sanji.
 

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She claimed she needed the Giants to take down ALL the other Yonkos, not one specifically. Y'all fail to realize that in a clash between two Yonko groups, they're losing the majority of their crew which comprises a HUGE part of the Yonko name.
Even with giants she will not take down Kaido,Shanks and WB all together. She has to take them out one by one.
@Bold. Big Mom can take the Crew and invade Shanks. Why must she announce her arrival? Shanks will have only his Crew and his allies will be somewhere else so why Big Mom cant just secretly gather her Crew and invade Shanks? Ace was easily able to get to Shanks so why wont Big Mom secretly attack Shanks? She can but wont because she'll get killed.
 

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Was that family card being played when Big Mom tried to smash her head in when she looked out of the window of the castle ?

What is so bad in working together during a cease fire with your enemy ? The Strawhats have been doing that in numerous occasions. If the Big Mom family would be stubborn about it and let their best hope on a chocolate cake get away. Their island gets smashed and a lot of people will die.
It's not BM, she's not even in the position to know anything about the cake.
There's no ceasefire, katakuri still wanted to kill Luffy in this chapter.
@bold. You should probably refresh my memory, can't seem to remember where the SHs ever collaborated with their enemy. They normally form allies with the third party in the arc.
Also, about what's so bad about this collaboration, Luffy challenged BM on Fi, infiltrated her territory, beat up one of her commanders, undermined her biggest event at the time(tea party plus acquisition of the Germa), tried to assassinate her, and you don't see how collaborating would be bad? That's similar to Van Augur giving Luffy some meat and all the bad blood between Luffy and BB disappears.
 
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Even with giants she will not take down Kaido,Shanks and WB all together. She has to take them out one by one.
@Bold. Big Mom can take the Crew and invade Shanks. Why must she announce her arrival? Shanks will have only his Crew and his allies will be somewhere else so why Big Mom cant just secretly gather her Crew and invade Shanks? Ace was easily able to get to Shanks so why wont Big Mom secretly attack Shanks? She can but wont because she'll get killed.
You don't think, don't quote me again, lmao
 

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Does anyone else find it kinda weird that MS still hasn't uploaded their translation of the chapter yet?

It's odd.. they usually never take this long.

I wanted to re-read the chapter with their version..
 

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It's not BM, she's not even in the position to know anything about the cake.
There's no ceasefire, katakuri still wanted to kill Luffy in this chapter.
@bold. You should probably refresh my memory, can't seem to remember where the SHs ever collaborated with their enemy. They normally form allies with the third party in the arc.
Also, about what's so bad about this collaboration, Luffy challenged BM on Fi, infiltrated her territory, beat up one of her commanders, undermined her biggest event at the time(tea party plus acquisition of the Germa), tried to assassinate her, and you don't see how collaborating would be bad? That's similar to Van Augur giving Luffy some meat and all the bad blood between Luffy and BB disappears.
That's totally not the same, I also said that even when they fix the Big Mom situation they still need to deal with the family. I never said that this would fix the war they started. All I said was that as the situation is now, Big Mom will kill everybody on the island. It's in everybody's interest to stop that.

As recent as Punk Hazard the Strawhats worked with the G5. In a way Fujitora helped them a bit on Dressrosa. Luffy banded together with Impel Down inmates to escape a more troubling situation (sounds familiar ?).
 

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That's totally not the same, I also said that even when they fix the Big Mom situation they still need to deal with the family. I never said that this would fix the war they started. All I said was that as the situation is now, Big Mom will kill everybody on the island. It's in everybody's interest to stop that.
Yes it's in everybody's best interest to stop that but that doesn't mean the BM family will go so far as to ask the SH's for help. Do we even have any evidence to suggest they know how good Sanji's food is? In their eyes Pudding and Chiffon are their best chances at getting BM a cake she'll like. Just because we know Sanji's a great cook doesn't mean they do and if they don't why would they ask him to help them make a cake?

As recent as Punk Hazard the Strawhats worked with the G5. In a way Fujitora helped them a bit on Dressrosa. Luffy banded together with Impel Down inmates to escape a more troubling situation (sounds familiar ?).
None of these are examples of Luffy teaming with the arc villain's crew in order to stop the arc villain. G5 weren't the villains Caesar and his lackeys were, now if you had said Brownbeard that would have been a good example(ish) but not entirely since Brown Beard defected from Caesar when he sided with Luffy which none of the BM family is indicated to do(Except maybe Pudding). Fuji was a side villain of sorts and wasn't really involved in anything other than Law anyway and Fuji made the decision on his own to assist the SH's there was no collusion like this would be. Teaminig up with prisoners to escape jail isn't the same thing either, if they teamed up with Hannyabal to escape then sure.
 
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Yes it's in everybody's best interest to stop that but that doesn't mean the BM family will go so far as to ask the SH's for help. Do we even have any evidence to suggest they know how good Sanji's food is? In their eyes Pudding and Chiffon are their best chances at getting BM a cake she'll like. Just because we know Sanji's a great cook doesn't mean they do and if they don't why would they ask him to help them make a cake?

You got to be kidding me, Big Mom pride herself on her intel on everyone there. Pudding is aware he is a good chef and they knew about the Baratie. If they don't know he can cook, there is something wrong.

Also this is the prediction thread, not the definitive edition 100% proof thread. I think it's very likely that one of the main characters who is one of the best cooks on the seas will help when they will need a big cake. Or do you think we will get a nice chapter of Pudding and Chiffon baking a cake, that will be exciting and super relevant right.

None of these are examples of Luffy teaming with the arc villain's crew in order to stop the arc villain. G5 weren't the villains Caesar and his lackeys were, now if you had said Brownbeard that would have been a good example(ish) but not entirely since Brown Beard defected from Caesar when he sided with Luffy which none of the BM family is indicated to do(Except maybe Pudding). Fuji was a side villain of sorts and wasn't really involved in anything other than Law anyway and Fuji made the decision on his own to assist the SH's there was no collusion like this would be. Teaminig up with prisoners to escape jail isn't the same thing either, if they teamed up with Hannyabal to escape then sure.
Wrong, you missed the point entirely. The point was that the Strawhats as pirates don't have a problem of not following their moral compass when it suits them. All your examples don't take away anything from that. Luffy was not happy fighting alongside Crocodile but he did it anyways to escape the prison.

If teaming up with Pudding means that they can stop Big Mom, They will 100% do it. Besides they don't really have another option now do they with Big Mom breathing in their necks.
 
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Tbh I like the concept of Sanji making a cake or helping but I wouldn't like it if that just settles everything.
A yonko shouldn't compromise with something so banally with people who tried to assasinate her. I will be very dissapointed. It would put a huge dent in the Yonko name for me
 

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That's totally not the same, I also said that even when they fix the Big Mom situation they still need to deal with the family. I never said that this would fix the war they started. All I said was that as the situation is now, Big Mom will kill everybody on the island. It's in everybody's interest to stop that.

As recent as Punk Hazard the Strawhats worked with the G5. In a way Fujitora helped them a bit on Dressrosa. Luffy banded together with Impel Down inmates to escape a more troubling situation (sounds familiar ?).
The analogy wasn't meant to be the same, was an exaggerated albeit similar situation to show silly the Bake a cake plan looks.

So, you're saying they'll fix the situation and then go back to the BMP vs SHs like nothing happened. Also, stopping BM's frenzy isn't in the SHs interest except there's some strength cool down effect that'll come when she satisfies her cravings (which if it exists the SHs shouldn't know about).

Nah, g5 weren't the villains, they're as third-party, just like Franky brothers and shandians. The SHs have never collaborated with the arc's villain before.
 

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The analogy wasn't meant to be the same, was an exaggerated albeit similar situation to show silly the Bake a cake plan looks.

So, you're saying they'll fix the situation and then go back to the BMP vs SHs like nothing happened. Also, stopping BM's frenzy isn't in the SHs interest except there's some strength cool down effect that'll come when she satisfies her cravings (which if it exists the SHs shouldn't know about).

Nah, g5 weren't the villains, they're as third-party, just like Franky brothers and shandians. The SHs have never collaborated with the arc's villain before.
Dude, You're not getting it. It doesn't matter if they're villains or third party. They're from an opposing faction that consider the Strawhats enemies under normal circumstances. However the Strawhats have proven to turn a blind eye when they needed to escape a precarious situation. They've teamed up with Ceasar and Bege too. They're both scum but they needed them.

I'm not saying anything about what will happen. I'm not Oda. All I'm saying is they need a cake to get from crazy Big Mom to normal Big Mom. Sanji might be their best bet to do it. Katakuri still wants to murder them, Pudding doesn't shy away from violence to get Chiffon cooking.

So maybe there will be a hostage situation where Sanji's hand is forced. Cook for Nami's life.

A couple of chapters ago I said that I thought Judge might sacrifice himself. All the vinsmokes are gone and their kingdom is docked. I can see him storm in with the clones to create a big distraction.
 

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You got to be kidding me, Big Mom pride herself on her intel on everyone there. Pudding is aware he is a good chef and they knew about the Baratie. If they don't know he can cook, there is something wrong.

Also this is the prediction thread, not the definitive edition 100% proof thread. I think it's very likely that one of the main characters who is one of the best cooks on the seas will help when they will need a big cake. Or do you think we will get a nice chapter of Pudding and Chiffon baking a cake, that will be exciting and super relevant right.
Exciting, no; relevant, yes seeing as it was literally just mentioned as a solution to the current problem.

Knowing he's a good chef and that he worked at the Baratie doesn't = them knowing HOW good his food is. Also Sanji was a helper at Baratie they weren't letting him cook a lot of dishes so it's not like Sanji was some world reknown chef before joining Luffy, the baratie was famous but not Sanji, Sanji became famous for being a pirate I would argue very few other pirate or people in general truly know how good his food is. This is one of BM's food rages and a special one at that, unless they've eaten his food I don't see any logical reasoning the BM family would put their trust in him to end her hunger when they have all kind of food inspired crew mates.

I think it's likely as well but I can still see Bim's point, I always knew it was a possibility and a likely one I just never really enjoyed the idea of escaping a Yonkou because "yum".



Wrong, you missed the point entirely. The point was that the Strawhats as pirates don't have a problem of not following their moral compass when it suits them. All your examples don't take away anything from that. Luffy was not happy fighting alongside Crocodile but he did it anyways to escape the prison.

If teaming up with Pudding means that they can stop Big Mom, They will 100% do it. Besides they don't really have another option now do they with Big Mom breathing in their necks.
If that was your point you didn't do well conveying it because what comes across from your post is "SH's have teamed with an enemy force before to defeat the leader" which is what this situation is then you gave examples of not that. They weren't my examples they were yours though and I addressed them simply to show they're not comparable to the situation you're proposing where an arc villains crew allies with the SH's to stop the arc villain. All of those examples were like Bim said, SH's teaming with a 3rd party to overcome the arc villain. No one's saying the SH's never team up with people to win but I can't recall an instance where they teamed up with the big bad's underlings in order to stop the big bad themselves and that was the example Bim asked for.

Of course, there's always options what are you getting at? What you meant was they don't have any options with a high to 100% chance of success and that's true but they still have the option of continuing to run while avoiding her attacks or to attempt to fight their pursuers off.

Plus how are the BM family gonna partner with Sanji and make a cake when they just sent BM out to kill them while Pudding makes the cake they plan to give to BM as a substitute? I could see Sanji making food for BM to get out of this situation but doing so in conjunction with the BM underlings doesn't seem to fit the story playing out currently.
 

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It's not like Big Mom is going to eat the cake and then everything is cool between her and the SH's..

But it is likely that Sanji helps make the cake, and the SH's continue making their run for it.. either while Big Mom is stuffing her face, or after she eats, Oda might just throw in another surprising plot event.


It's like how most of us knew that the Tamatebako box was going to play a role in this arc, but no one guessed that it would fall off at the perfect timing and blow up when it did.


Oda is a genius at surprising us.. who knows what could happen.. but Sanji making this cake (which seems like an impossible task for any chef, under such short notice with rare ingredients at that.) for Big Mom would be a great shining moment for his character. I mean, after those flashbacks we got this arc, it would be pretty amazing for Sanji to pull this off.. and another huge "slap in the face" to his family if they either witness it or find out about it as well. Considering all the shit they put him through about cooking.. it'll be awesome for them to see how much Sanji's cooking skills saved the day, FOR EVERYONE, against a crazy Yonko..


Idk... just my thoughts atm..
 

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Dude, You're not getting it. It doesn't matter if they're villains or third party. They're from an opposing faction that consider the Strawhats enemies under normal circumstances. However the Strawhats have proven to turn a blind eye when they needed to escape a precarious situation. They've teamed up with Ceasar and Bege too. They're both scum but they needed them.

I'm not saying anything about what will happen. I'm not Oda. All I'm saying is they need a cake to get from crazy Big Mom to normal Big Mom. Sanji might be their best bet to do it. Katakuri still wants to murder them, Pudding doesn't shy away from violence to get Chiffon cooking.

So maybe there will be a hostage situation where Sanji's hand is forced. Cook for Nami's life.

A couple of chapters ago I said that I thought Judge might sacrifice himself. All the vinsmokes are gone and their kingdom is docked. I can see him storm in with the clones to create a big distraction.
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Nah, you're the one ignoring facts to justify your stance. Each arc has a main antagonist, the straw hats have never teamed up with that antagonist in the same arc, you want to blur the line between the main antagonist and third party, just cos it suits your stance.
Franky, Shandians, Neptune's army, G5 and even the tontatta (when they kidnapped Usopp and Robin) weren't the main antagonists in their arc, if you can't tell the difference between the G5's position and that of the BM pirates then that's on you.

@ the rest of your response
You probably misinterpreted my stance, I'm going to be pissed if it the cake thing happens, and I said that cos there's a fairly high that Sanji will bake a cake (now that Streusen is out). I'm not saying it won't happen.
 
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